ucoerp@sw1e.UUCP (1897]) (06/12/89)
>Bob Paster previously wrote: >I have a problem I hope someone on the NET can help me with. Last night I >downloaded the 2 files for KERMIT385 from the comp.binaries.apple2 group. >The files downloaded fine, using Ascii Express Professional (DOS 3.3 >version) on an unenhanced Apple IIE. > >Once I had recieved them, I followed the instructions embedded in the "REMarks" >of the first file (app385.1) to "EXEC" the file to get a runnable version >of KERMIT385. Although it appeared that everything worked when I ran "EXEC >APP385.1,R25" after it completed there was nothing on the disk but the >original app385.1, app385.2, and the hello files. > >What did I do wrong?????? > >CAN SOMEONE PLEASE HELP??? Well NETLANDERS, I got several suggestions from Ken and Murph, but am still unable to get KERMIT385 working on my Apple IIE. Some added information may be helpfull. First, I'm downloading the file from a UNIX machine. I have tried to download the files after resetting the port, using stty -onlcr. This seems to have had no effect. This was to try and eliminate the potential for having lines start with a "space" or "new line". Next I edited the app385.1 and app385.2 files on the UNIX machine to eliminate the lines that might have only a space and <cr> on them, removing the space only. I then downloaded the files again after resetting the port as described above. Still not successful. Next I tried downloading the files using umodem's -st option instead of the -sb option. Again no success. In all cases, when I "EXEC app385.1" the computer shows the Applesoft prompt (]) on the screen, followed by a "\", and then several "beeps". It does this maybe 50 - 75 times and then gives me the Applesoft prompt again. When I "BSAVE KERMIT385,A$1000,L$6E00" the file gets saved to disk okay. But when I "BRUN KERMIT385" basically nothing happens. Once when I "BRUNed KERMIT385" I got dumped into the monitor with a message something like "0C05 - A=14 X=98 Y=E1 P=35 8=EA". Most other times, I haven"t gotten anything on the screen, except after the disk drive whirrs for several seconds, and the computer appears to be trying to do something, I get the Applesoft prompt back, as if KERMIT385 has finished. PLEASE HELP IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS ON WHAT I'M DOING WRONG ??? UUCP - swbatl!sw1sed!ucorrbp Bob Paster Southwestern Bell Tel. Co.
SAC.2001CS-SCTC@E.ISI.EDU (06/14/89)
I ran into the same problem. I FTP'ed the APP385 files to a TOPS-20 Host and checked them... Looked good. I downloaded them and SYNTAX error was the word for the day when I EXEC'ed the files. With the help of some "Beagle Bros" utilities, I found CTRL-J's in the first couple of char. of each line. (Someone droped me a note saying that that could be the problem, and I'am still not sure where they came from). One way to get rid of the little devels is to download the files using KERMIT protocol. Do to the "catch-22" of this fix, I haven't tried it yet. The other fix is to use a "Line Feed" striper to remove the excess CTRL-J's. I used the striper that is built into "Point-to-Point". This cleared the SYNTAX when EXEC'ed the files (DOS 3.3 not ProDOS). The resulting program ran well once I got the program to talk to my AE Serial Pro card. Hope this might help out your problem. Lee Coin
paul@athertn.Atherton.COM (Paul Sander) (06/14/89)
In article <1682@sw1e.UUCP>, ucoerp@sw1e.UUCP (1897]) writes: > >Bob Paster previously wrote: > >I have a problem I hope someone on the NET can help me with. Last night I > >downloaded the 2 files for KERMIT385 from the comp.binaries.apple2 group. > >The files downloaded fine, using Ascii Express Professional (DOS 3.3 > >version) on an unenhanced Apple IIE. > > > >Once I had recieved them, I followed the instructions embedded in the "REMarks" > >of the first file (app385.1) to "EXEC" the file to get a runnable version > >of KERMIT385. Although it appeared that everything worked when I ran "EXEC > >APP385.1,R25" after it completed there was nothing on the disk but the > >original app385.1, app385.2, and the hello files. [stuff omitted] > Well NETLANDERS, I got several suggestions from Ken and Murph, but am > still unable to get KERMIT385 working on my Apple IIE. Some added > information may be helpfull. > > First, I'm downloading the file from a UNIX machine. I have tried to > download the files after resetting the port, using stty -onlcr. This > seems to have had no effect. This was to try and eliminate the potential > for having lines start with a "space" or "new line". > > Next I edited the app385.1 and app385.2 files on the UNIX machine to > eliminate the lines that might have only a space and <cr> on them, > removing the space only. I then downloaded the files again after > resetting the port as described above. Still not successful. > > Next I tried downloading the files using umodem's -st option instead > of the -sb option. Again no success. > > In all cases, when I "EXEC app385.1" the computer shows the Applesoft > prompt (]) on the screen, followed by a "\", and then several "beeps". > It does this maybe 50 - 75 times and then gives me the Applesoft prompt > again. When I "BSAVE KERMIT385,A$1000,L$6E00" the file gets saved to disk > okay. But when I "BRUN KERMIT385" basically nothing happens. > > Once when I "BRUNed KERMIT385" I got dumped into the monitor with a > message something like "0C05 - A=14 X=98 Y=E1 P=35 8=EA". Most other > times, I haven"t gotten anything on the screen, except after the disk > drive whirrs for several seconds, and the computer appears to be trying > to do something, I get the Applesoft prompt back, as if KERMIT385 has > finished. I had the EXACT same problem when I downloaded Kermit from a Unix machine. I was also using AEPro on my ][ Plus. I also did all of the same things you did to try to solve the problem, with the same results. It turns out that the files I had on my disk were fine files, except that the MSBs of the characters were not set, and no system utility I could find would set them. FID, COPY, and I believe even my text editor couldn't do it. So I resorted to writing an Applesoft program that read the characters from the disk and write them out again to a different file. It turns out that Applesoft isn't sensitive to the MSBs, and it always writes text to disk with the MSBs set. I documented the whole thing in this newsgroup a couple of months ago, and included the source code for the BASIC program. After the mail and follow-ups claiming that "it shouldn't have been that hard," I'm sort of glad to see that someone else has come across the same problems I had. Hope this helps. -- Paul Sander (408) 734-9822 | If a machine is powerful enough paul@Atherton.COM | to have a DWIM button, why bother {decwrl,sun,pyramid}!athertn!paul | with the button? -- Eric Black
bobl@pro-graphics.UUCP (Bob Lindabury) (06/14/89)
Network Comment: to #58 by pnet01!crash!e.isi.edu!SAC.2001CS-SCTC For those of you having trouble with your transfers of Kermit385 and other files similar, may I suggest a program called LIST by Stowe Keller. I believe that this program may very well solve your cntr-J termination character problems and this program may well be of use for just standard UNIX or MS-Dos formatted text files. The program is called the ProDos8 LIST Utiltity v1.8 for viewing files. It is shareware and costs $15.00 if you find it useful. It has the ability to read in such file formats as Compressed, ProDOS MS-DOS Unix Hex AWP as well as you being able to specify your own end line termination character. I believe it also has the ability to save these different formats to standard Apple ProDOS format. So, you would then just load in KERMIT385 into this program and then print it to a text file on disk. You would then exec the resulting file. I'm not positive this would work but it's worth a try. If you have any questions about LIST, you should send mail to stowekeller@pro-carolina.cts.com. Bob
krb20699@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (06/15/89)
Bob, be sure to catch my note to you. It's #80. If your site isn't accepting my basenotes, say so. Maybe only responses are getting through. I had the same trouble with another person a while back. Ken. krb20699@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
bobl@pro-graphics.UUCP (Bob Lindabury) (06/19/89)
Network Comment: to #123 by pnet01!crash!uxc.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!krb20699 Ken, I've been having some trouble with a couple of addresses. I've tried sending out the SCSI Vanilla hard drive construction instuructions (ha!) to a few people and have been getting some (Unknown User) bounces. In fact, this message you've sent me tells me that krb20699 is (Unknown User). What seems to be the trouble? I'm a bit new to the net so I don't have a clue. --Bob PS: Sorry about the net post but I don't want to lose this in the e-mail.
krb20699@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (07/23/89)
What you might want to do is write a basic program toconvert LFs to CRs. I've written one. It's slow (even compiled on a GS, 3.5" to /ram5) but for the instance of Kermit, it would work. I can send out copies of it if anyone wants (and you can do whatever you want with it.) Ken. krb20699@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu