dcw@athena.mit.edu (David C. Whitney) (08/04/89)
um, just how much memory does Appleworks 2.0 need to run? I have 519k free ram (1.25MB total), and Appleworks won't run. If I make a specialized disk (just Appleworks and P8), it works fine. I can't run it from the Finder. Any suggestions? Dave Whitney A junior (well, a senior) in Computer Science at MIT dcw@athena.mit.edu ...!bloom-beacon!athena.mit.edu!dcw dcw@goldilocks.mit.edu I wrote Z-Link & BinSCII. Send me bug reports. I use a //GS. Send me Tech Info. "This is MIT. Collect and 3rd party calls will not be accepted at this number."
dlyons@Apple.COM (David Lyons) (08/05/89)
In article <13247@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> dcw@athena.mit.edu (David C. Whitney) writes: >um, just how much memory does Appleworks 2.0 need to run? I have 519k >free ram (1.25MB total), and Appleworks won't run. If I make a >specialized disk (just Appleworks and P8), it works fine. I can't run >it from the Finder. Any suggestions? Gee...what happens? Specific error messages/behavior would be helpful. --Dave Lyons, Apple Computer, Inc. | DAL Systems AppleLink--Apple Edition: DAVE.LYONS | P.O. Box 875 AppleLink--Personal Edition: Dave Lyons | Cupertino, CA 95015-0875 GEnie: D.LYONS2 or DAVE.LYONS CompuServe: 72177,3233 Internet/BITNET: dlyons@apple.com UUCP: ...!ames!apple!dlyons My opinions are my own, not Apple's.
dcw@athena.mit.edu (David C. Whitney) (08/05/89)
In article <33725@apple.Apple.COM> dlyons@Apple.COM (David Lyons) writes: >In article <13247@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> dcw@athena.mit.edu (David C. Whitney) writes: >>um, just how much memory does Appleworks 2.0 need to run? I have 519k >>free ram (1.25MB total), and Appleworks won't run. > >Gee...what happens? Specific error messages/behavior would be helpful. I get the title page, and loading stops. No bells, just frozen. The interrupt to enable the control panel is killed, but the 3.5 drive eject button works. Pressing ^-reset reboots. I can't really give better details as I have no utilities like background debuggers or whatnot. I slowly deactivated DAs, and Appleworks once again works with 575k free. I thought that AW only needed 128k (or even as little as 64k) to run. What gives? I've noticed other (very minor) bugs with 5.0. If one makes a selection box in the Finder very small (less than a few pixels wide or high) the box isn't a box, but rather some sort of mess. > --Dave Lyons, Apple Computer, Inc. | DAL Systems > AppleLink--Apple Edition: DAVE.LYONS | P.O. Box 875 > AppleLink--Personal Edition: Dave Lyons | Cupertino, CA 95015-0875 > GEnie: D.LYONS2 or DAVE.LYONS CompuServe: 72177,3233 > Internet/BITNET: dlyons@apple.com UUCP: ...!ames!apple!dlyons > > My opinions are my own, not Apple's. Dave Whitney A junior (well, a senior) in Computer Science at MIT dcw@athena.mit.edu ...!bloom-beacon!athena.mit.edu!dcw dcw@goldilocks.mit.edu I wrote Z-Link & BinSCII. Send me bug reports. I use a //GS. Send me Tech Info. "This is MIT. Collect and 3rd party calls will not be accepted at this number."
jlink@pro-xy.UUCP (John Link) (08/05/89)
Network Comment: to #63 by obsolete!dcw%athena.mit.edu That is indeed strange...I use AW 2.1 and GS/OS 5.0, w slightly more memory, and have a huge desktop. A friend, who is devoted to AW 2.0, runs a similar setup with an equally huge desktop. I can't imagine why you would have that problem. Unless, of course, you are not using ProDOS 1.8 with your setup--that is, if the version of ProDOS on your AW disk is earlier than 1.8, GS/OS 5.0 won't like it. In fact, if you install Glen Bredon's clock driver to PD 1.8, nothing will run. I would guess that you are not using the correct version of PD. When you boot your "specialized disk" you are starting with PD 8 and forgetting the "sensitivities" of GS/OS. I kinda wish they would bury the checksum routine myself, as I used to alter the PD startup screen to better suit my aesthetic sensibilities, but that too will cause a no-go.
mattd@Apple.COM (Matt Deatherage) (08/05/89)
In article <13266@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> dcw@athena.mit.edu (David C. Whitney) writes: > >I get the title page, and loading stops. No bells, just frozen. The >interrupt to enable the control panel is killed, but the 3.5 drive >eject button works. Pressing ^-reset reboots. I can't really give >better details as I have no utilities like background debuggers or >whatnot. > >I slowly deactivated DAs, and Appleworks once again works with 575k >free. I thought that AW only needed 128k (or even as little as 64k) to >run. What gives? > > >Dave Whitney A junior (well, a senior) in Computer Science at MIT >dcw@athena.mit.edu ...!bloom-beacon!athena.mit.edu!dcw dcw@goldilocks.mit.edu >I wrote Z-Link & BinSCII. Send me bug reports. I use a //GS. Send me Tech Info. >"This is MIT. Collect and 3rd party calls will not be accepted at this number." Right action, wrong conclusion. If you'll recall, one of the bugs in AppleWorks 2.0 is that it incorrectly calls _DeskStartUp, a signal to all *NDAs* that the desktop environment is present. This is, to be polite, a blatant lie. If any NDAs do desktop- type things in their startup routines, the system could come crashing down. AW 2.0 mostly works for people on IIgs's by accident - for some reason, the _DeskStartUp call doesn't always get made. A2-Central has published a patch in the past, which basically involves looking for LDX #$0205, JSL $E10000. AppleWorks 2.1 and later do not have the problem. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Deatherage, Apple Computer, Inc. | "The opinions expressed in this tome Send PERSONAL mail ONLY (please) to: | should not be construed to imply that AppleLink PE: Matt DTS GEnie: AIIDTS | Apple Computer, Inc., or any of its CompuServe: 76703,3030 | subsidiaries, in whole or in part, Usenet: mattd@apple.com | have any opinion on any subject." UUCP: (other stuff)!ames!apple!mattd | "So there." -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
dlyons@Apple.COM (David Lyons) (08/05/89)
In article <13266@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> dcw@athena.mit.edu (David C. Whitney) writes: [...] >I get the title page, and loading stops. No bells, just frozen. The >interrupt to enable the control panel is killed, but the 3.5 drive >eject button works. Pressing ^-reset reboots. I can't really give >better details as I have no utilities like background debuggers or >whatnot. > >I slowly deactivated DAs, and Appleworks once again works with 575k >free. I thought that AW only needed 128k (or even as little as 64k) to >run. What gives? Are you certain it's the *amount* of memory that's the problem? Could it be a particular NDA, instead? AW 2.0 calls DeskStartup, which gives every NDA a chance to crash or hang your system. Matt says he already answered this message, so I'll stop being redundant now. >I've noticed other (very minor) bugs with 5.0. If one makes a >selection box in the Finder very small (less than a few pixels wide or >high) the box isn't a box, but rather some sort of mess. Not a bug--DragRect and WindDragRect now draw 4 separate lines instead of framing rectangles. This apparently keeps the cursor from flickering in some circumstances. Anyway, because of the way the 4 lines overlap at the ends, it makes it look different at the corners, especially when the rectangle is so small that there is nothing there but corners. --Dave Lyons, Apple Computer, Inc. | DAL Systems AppleLink--Apple Edition: DAVE.LYONS | P.O. Box 875 AppleLink--Personal Edition: Dave Lyons | Cupertino, CA 95015-0875 GEnie: D.LYONS2 or DAVE.LYONS CompuServe: 72177,3233 Internet/BITNET: dlyons@apple.com UUCP: ...!ames!apple!dlyons My opinions are my own, not Apple's.
jlai@pro-sol.cts.com (Jack Lai) (08/06/89)
Network Comment: to #9658 by mattd@apple.com
Howzit!
I want to say Mahalo Nui Loa or Thank you VERY much to Matt
Deatherage (Apple Computer, Inc.) for the insight on the AppleWorks
2.0 _DeskStartUp call!
I have been looking for this patch for quit awhile. For those
interested in the patch:
After making a backup copy of my AppleWorks disk, I used Copy II+
to scan my AppleWorks disk for the Hex values:
A2 05 02 22 00 00 E1
which is LDX #$0205 JSL $E10000 located in APLWORKS.SYSTEM
(APLWORKS.SYS if you have UltraMacros installed) and changed them to:
EA EA EA EA EA EA EA
which is just a bunch of NOP's. Now I can run AppleWorks from the
Finder! :) :) :)
Now, I wish to run a program called SETUP.SYSTEM under ProDOS 8.
This program will run all BIN and SYS files in a subdirectory called
"SETUPS", and then execute the next SYSTEM file in the root directory.
AppleWorks hangs up when trying to boot just like when I called
it from the Finder (pre-patched). I thought the above patch would
help with this problem, but no, AppleWorks still hangs up when booting
after running SETUP.SYSTEM.
If anyone knows what the problem is or better yet, the patch for
it, I would appreciate your insights. Mahalo in advance.
Latas, Jack
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|_________________|___________________________________________________________|garths@pro-xy.UUCP (Garth Shultz) (08/07/89)
Network Comment: to #129 by obsolete!pro-xy!jlink%bloom-beacon.mit.edu
As you, by now, recall... AW 2.0 has the legendary NDA bug. Dave Lyons
and Matt Detherage have addressed this problem in earlier postings. The
patch for this bug is available, of course, in SuperPatch (c).
Persons interested in SuperPatch (authored by our renowned Pro-Xy SysOp)
may get more information from Pro-Xy at 616/381-1726 - 24hours -
300/1200.2400 bps.
garths@Pro-Xy (Garth Shultz)jlai@pro-sol.cts.com (Jack Lai) (08/07/89)
Network Comment: to #9698 by jlai@pro-sol.cts.com
Howzit!
I just read my post and noticed a line missing. Correct as
follows:
>
> A2 05 02 22 00 00 E1
>
> which is LDX #$0205 JSL $E10000 located in APLWORKS.SYSTEM
> (APLWORKS.SYS if you have UltraMacros installed) and changed them to:
>
> EA EA EA EA EA EA EA
>
Latas, Jack
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