IRPGMR7@OUACCVMB.BITNET (08/03/89)
Now that all you guys have System Disk 5.0, I'm getting jealous... My local dealership has the software, but still hasn't put it out to display. 'Whenever he can get around to it.....' that's the quote for the past 3 to 4 days..... Guess he's too busy setting up those IBM compatibles in the front of the sales room..... Just as a side-note..... It took him close to a week and a half just to get System Disk 4.0 out..... Hope I don't have to wait that long..... Personally, I don't think it's the software companies or even Apple that are trying to let the Apple //s die.... I think it's the guys down the street at Vere Smith Audio Visuals (in Athens Ohio 45701), that just simply don't give a damn about the series..... Just venting some frustration..... And looking for a way to kill that store..... David William Wrage a.k.a. The Frenchman 'I don't have a nifty saying yet, but I'll think of one.....' US Mail: Userid: 134 East Beechwood Estates IRPGMR7@OUACCVMB.BITNET Athens, Ohio 45701 United States of America
SEWALL@UCONNVM.BITNET (Murph Sewall) (08/03/89)
>Personally, I don't think it's the software companies or even Apple >that are trying to let the Apple //s die.... I think it's the guys >down the street at Vere Smith Audio Visuals (in Athens Ohio 45701), >that just simply don't give a damn about the series..... And Apple keeps telling us how much they DEPEND on their dealers... Some of them (Computer Resources in Wethersfield, CT for example) ARE supporting Apple (IIgs's and Macs only -- no MesSy DOS boxes in sight). Half the sales staff started on Apple 2's, so they're as happy selling IIgs's as Macs -- or at least capable of acting that way. Look for such a dealer in your state :-) >Just venting some frustration..... And looking for a way to kill that >store..... The approved method of doing that is to take your $$$ elsewhere. Even Apple will notice if your local dealer sells next to nothing while another store in some nearby (or not so nearby) small town sells more than its population warrants. On the other hand, there are vendors that think there getting help from ComputerLand :-( Murph Sewall Vaporware? ---> [Gary Larson returns 1/1/90] Prof. of Marketing Sewall@UConnVM.BITNET Business School sewall%uconnvm.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu [INTERNET] U of Connecticut {psuvax1 or mcvax }!UCONNVM.BITNET!SEWALL [UUCP] (203) 486-5246 [FAX] (203) 486-2489 [PHONE] 41 49N 72 15W [ICBM] -+- I don't speak for my employer, though I frequently wish that I could (subject to change without notice; void where prohibited)
abc@BRL.MIL (Brinton Cooper) (08/03/89)
An effective strategy, it seems to me, is: 1. Buy accessories and software from reputable mail-order houses. In most cases, you'll save money. And you can get what you want! There's even at least one place that continues to solicit the business of II+ owners. 2. Find a good, independent service shop for repairs. (This is good advice for car owners, too.) They're around. There's even one in little old Aberdeen, MD! If this is done on a large scale, Apple will notice that: 1. Service business is down. 2. They're delivering increasing quantities of their products to mail order dealers. Of course, don't expect a global revolution. This is exactly the same problem faced by every one of us who owns a car, and the dealers continue to be the cheating, lying, incompetent business persons we all know and love. _B
mcgurrin@MITRE.MITRE.ORG (08/04/89)
To add to this thread, I was at my local store the other day (the Tyson's Corner branch of Clinton Computer), and overheard a sales person directing some high school students towards the more expensive Macs, from the GS, since if they were headed off for college, they'd need the power of the Mac, and that while the II line had lots of games available, it wasn't what they'd need. Now if the issue is compatibility, and the college their going to supports Macs, I would agree 100%. I advise people to by MS DOS machines if their company uses only IBM, and the prime issue is compatibility. I take strong exception to the arguement that the GS is underpowered for a college student! I bet the store finds themselves selling more Macs this way though, then looks at the sales figures, and decides to place more emphasis on the Mac line! I like Macs, and use them at work a lot, but except for the slow speed of the finder (I don't have 5.0 yet), haven't wished for a Mac at home.
SEWALL@UCONNVM.BITNET (Murph Sewall) (08/05/89)
>branch of Clinton Computer), and overheard a sales person directing some high >school students towards the more expensive Macs, from the GS, since if they >were headed off for college, they'd need the power of the Mac, and that while Gee, and for the last six years I've been doing everything I (or most undergraduates who are not in accounting, finance, or engineering) might want to do on an unenhanced //e (with an occasional assist from the IBM mainframe for *really big* number crunching jobs that still would overwhelm a PS/2 or Mac. It's a good thing I didn't know I need more power; I might not have gotten ANYTHING done! ;-) Having a computer the college "supports" can be convenient, but it's rarely essential. Support these days is one (20 hour per week) graduate student looking after 4 computer labs with 30 systems each (some of us have less "support" than that). Murph Sewall Vaporware? ---> [Gary Larson returns 1/1/90] Prof. of Marketing Sewall@UConnVM.BITNET Business School sewall%uconnvm.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu [INTERNET] U of Connecticut {psuvax1 or mcvax }!UCONNVM.BITNET!SEWALL [UUCP] (203) 486-5246 [FAX] (203) 486-2489 [PHONE] 41 49N 72 15W [ICBM] -+- I don't speak for my employer, though I frequently wish that I could (subject to change without notice; void where prohibited)
IRPGMR7@OUACCVMB.BITNET@mamab.FIDONET.ORG (IRPGMR7@OUACCVMB.BITNET) (08/05/89)
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Murph.Sewall@mamab.FIDONET.ORG (Murph Sewall) (08/06/89)
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dvac@drutx.ATT.COM (Daniel Vachon) (08/11/89)
In article <8908032201.AA05845@mitre.arpa>, mcgurrin@MITRE.MITRE.ORG writes: > To add to this thread, I was at my local store the other day (the Tyson's Corner > Now if the issue is compatibility, and the college their going to supports > Macs, I would agree 100%. I advise people to by MS DOS machines if their > company uses only IBM, and the prime issue is compatibility.... The original posting wasn't quite about this, but I wanted to throw this out in the open here. I am seeing quite a few people dumping Apple ][ because they don't agree with Apple's direction with the ][ line. I see most of them going to Atari 520ST or Atari 1020ST's. It appears that the Ataris can emulate a Mac+, faster than a Mac + can.... Plus there are emulation boards to go IBM's road too... I have heard these emulators go for about $100 a piece.... Now, I have been an Apple ][ addict for about 7 years now.... I had a ][+ for about 5 of the years, and a Franklin for one, and a couple //e's the most recent years... I know I will not buy a //gs because I see Apple dealers pushing Mac's. Apple sees mac sales climbing, // sales falling, and where is the support going to go then.... I don't know, maybe it is just time to get a different machine anyways. I have run a BBS for 6 of the 7 years and I see my users starting to fall away from Apple //'s.... Maybe the time has come... Later - Dan Vachon - !att!drutx!dvac p.s. What does anyone/everyone think about the Atari 520/1020ST's?! Pros/Cons?