delaneyg@wnre.aecl.CDN ("H. Grant Delaney") (08/02/89)
Here's on for all of you. At one of the sessions in Kansas it was present to Apple that their was a need for more high level languages for the GS. The 2 most Vocally reprented were Fortran and (heaven forbid) COBAL. The Vocal side of Western Designed wanted every language and offered to get money to get Byte Works to write them as they appeared to be the only developer with the resources to do it. Even an unnamed former Canadian at APPLE piped up with C++ to inhance ORCA C. Lets hear what your votes are and I'll forward the results on to the appropriate parties. Grant
SEWALL@UCONNVM.BITNET (Murph Sewall) (08/03/89)
>Here's one for all of you. At one of the sessions in Kansas it was present to >Apple that their was a need for more high level languages for the GS. The >2 most Vocally reprented were Fortran and (heaven forbid) COBAL. It's certainly not a BAL, er ball, if you have to write a data division for COBOL ('O' - as in how you feel if someone asks you to maintain the payroll written in ...guess what :-( The best reason for making COBOL, in some form, available on the IIgs is that the largest number of job VACANCIES for programmers IS for COBOL. Think of how many people could pay their own way through college maintaining business software; it may be mind numbing, but it beats flipping burgers. Murph Sewall Vaporware? ---> [Gary Larson returns 1/1/90] Prof. of Marketing Sewall@UConnVM.BITNET Business School sewall%uconnvm.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu [INTERNET] U of Connecticut {psuvax1 or mcvax }!UCONNVM.BITNET!SEWALL [UUCP] (203) 486-5246 [FAX] (203) 486-2489 [PHONE] 41 49N 72 15W [ICBM] -+- I don't speak for my employer, though I frequently wish that I could (subject to change without notice; void where prohibited)
RXBROWN@UALR.BITNET ("MR.FANTASTIC") (08/03/89)
TO Grant..... I would like to see C++ eventhough I just got my C compiler. I would also like to see a PL/I compiler.... Robert BITNET: RXBROWN@UALR
bird@cbnewsd.ATT.COM (j.l.walters) (08/03/89)
From article <121*delaneyg@wnre.aecl.cdn>, by delaneyg@wnre.aecl.CDN ("H. Grant Delaney"):
A language that doesn't get mentioned often is FORTH. How many
people know about GS16FORTH? There is a demo version available on
Compuserve and Genie, among others. Keep in mind that the author
wrote the documentation assuming you were fairly conversant in
FORTH so it is especially important that you start with a copy of
Leo Brodie's book, "Starting FORTH," which costs somewhere around
$15.
The author is working now on a version that supports
System Disk 5. I have no idea when it will be available.
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Joe Walters att!ihlpf!bird
IHP 1F-240 (312) 713-5356bmc@sun1.MAYO.EDU (Bruce Cameron) (08/03/89)
I would like to see LISP, Smalltalk and C++ for the GS.
--Bruce
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-----FCNLjoseph@elbereth.rutgers.edu (Seymour Joseph) (08/04/89)
How about an APL? I think the Apple II and its operating system have grown up enough to make a practical APL possible on the II. We have a potentially huge memory space (up to 8 megabytes), standardized font management (APL uses a unique font) and some sophisticated development environments to write it in. Seymour
jearls@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU ( Chumley the Troll ) (08/05/89)
In article <955@cbnewsd.ATT.COM> bird@cbnewsd.ATT.COM (j.l.walters) writes: >A language that doesn't get mentioned often is FORTH. How many >people know about GS16FORTH? There is a demo version available on ... First, who is the author and how can I get in touch with him/her? Is he/she on the net (UseNet or InterNet) ? Second, is the demo available on any ftp sites or from APPLE2-L? If not, would it be possible for someone to post it (after getting permission from the author...) ? Thanks, - John -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chumley@Bazaar.Deva.COM | A Bureaucrat is a person who -aka- EARLSJ@AFAL-Edwards.AF.MIL | cuts red tape sideways. -aka- jearls@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU |
STEIN@UCONNVM.BITNET (Alan Stein) (08/05/89)
>How about an APL? I think the Apple II and its operating system have >grown up enough to make a practical APL possible on the II. We have >a potentially huge memory space (up to 8 megabytes), standardized font >management (APL uses a unique font) and some sophisticated development >environments to write it in. > >Seymour I agree. BTW, does anyone know whether there is an APL font available for the IIGS? Alan H. Stein | stein@uconnvm.bitnet Department of Mathematics | stein%uconnvm.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu University of Connecticut | ...psuvax1!UCONNVM.BITNET!STEIN 32 Hillside Avenue | Waterbury, CT 06710 | Compu$erve 71545,1500 (203) 757-1231 | GEnie ah.stein
lauch@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Christopher Lau) (08/10/89)
In article <8908042018.aa02544@SMOKE.BRL.MIL> STEIN@UCONNVM.BITNET (Alan Stein) writes: >>How about an APL? I think the Apple II and its operating system have >>grown up enough to make a practical APL possible on the II. We have >>a potentially huge memory space (up to 8 megabytes), standardized font >>management (APL uses a unique font) and some sophisticated development >>environments to write it in. >> >>Seymour > > I agree. BTW, does anyone know whether there is an APL font available >for the IIGS? > > >Alan H. Stein | stein@uconnvm.bitnet >Department of Mathematics | stein%uconnvm.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu >University of Connecticut | ...psuvax1!UCONNVM.BITNET!STEIN >32 Hillside Avenue | >Waterbury, CT 06710 | Compu$erve 71545,1500 >(203) 757-1231 | GEnie ah.stein Well, I'm working on an APL interpreter for the Apple // series.. I'm currently writing it in Pascal (Kyan version 2.0). I haven't worked out the graphic character set yet, (I'm using ctrl-n to switch between charsets and then using a picture of the keyboard with the APL symbols. This is admittedly clumsy (and hard to edit because you can't tell if a char is an overstrike (only the strikeover char is shown.. what do you expect in text??) but amazingly, it actually works).. I may, if I really get ambitious, make use of the graphics capabilities of Kyan pascal and make a graphic charset If not, I'll probably go the route of the dot-commands (.iota etc). Currently, the source is around 8 pages long, but it executes quite fast (not even as fast as Applesoft, but for an interpreter written in a rather inefficient compiled language, I'm quite pleased..) I suppose, once I complete it, I'll make it shareware for $20 or something and let someone make a GS-only version with Orca Pascal or the like.. I've also got a Lisp interpreter in the works, but that will take some more time.. (Do you know how hard it is to implement a good LIST structure in either C or Pascal??) Chris Lau Software Design Engineer NovAtel Communications Ltd. Replies-> If it's interesting, post it to the newsgroup. If not, CYLau@UNCAMULT.BITNET lauch!vaxa@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Disclaimer-> I didn't say it, the computer did!
lexter@pro-abilink.cts.com (Sam Robertson) (08/11/89)
Network Comment: to #6251 by obsolete!att!cbnewsd!bird%ucbvax.berkeley.edu
Talking about Forth, I have seen the ad for it in a few of the magazines and
have had some interest. The question I have is, Is there an Apple Market for
such a language. I have heard (way back in BYTE magazine) about it and it was
just briefly talked about. I just wonder what applications can be best
written in Forth? Is it better than PASCAL in the sense of teaching
beginners? Is it structured? Is it commonly used in the REAL world?
Many questions from a simple mind!
Sam Robertson
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How about instead of FORTH a compiler for PostScript. From what I understand, it is just about like FORTH and with the POSTSCRIPT printers around, it would seem that a POSTSCRIPT compiler would be the way to go. It is a REAL language, not just something for printers and graphics. That is only about 1/3 of the language. Jerrod Carter "The above opinions might not necessarily be yours, but they should be!"
bird@cbnewsd.ATT.COM (j.l.walters) (08/15/89)
From article <8908111748.AA01529@trout.nosc.mil>, by lexter@pro-abilink.cts.com (Sam Robertson): > Network Comment: to #6251 by obsolete!att!cbnewsd!bird%ucbvax.berkeley.edu > > Is there an Apple Market for such a language. Yes, however, not in the same sense as C, Fortran, Cobol, etc. > I just wonder what applications can be best written in Forth? > Is it better than PASCAL in the sense of teaching beginners? Is > it structured? Is it commonly used in the REAL world? > Any application that can be written in any other language. With Forth, the executition speed will be faster than most of the above and the object size will "always" be much less. Answering the question as to whether this language is better than that language is never fruitful. Forth does tend to teach one to "think small" and not waste resources. It is much like Pascal in that before a Forth word can be incorporated in another, it must already be defined. It reuses code like no other higher level language I've ever seen. As to whether it is structured, if you mean, "does it require indentation and almost always semicolons?" The answer is, "no." If you mean, "does it espouse a methodology where the intent of the design can be imparted to another?" then the answer is, "yes." One example in the real world I know of is the popular IIgs program, "Math Blaster." -- Joe Walters att!ihlpf!bird IHP 1F-240 (312) 713-5356