tp@cbnewsm.ATT.COM (thomas.a.pierce) (08/19/89)
I'm hearing about the UDC/Laser 800k drive combo. eating disks. Is
this -ONLY- when used with an innerdrive or does this happen 'universally' :-)
Will it screw up a scsi drive (homebrew)? Is this only with the card or does
it also happlen with the 128ex built-in UDC? Does anyone out there have
good/bad expiriances with the No-Slot-Clock? (Anyone running a proline with
one?)
-Tom
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|_tomp@pro-party_____|_These_opinions_are_100%_pure_and_contain_no_cholesterol|aragorn@blake.acs.washington.edu (Michael Owen) (08/19/89)
In article <2995@cbnewsm.ATT.COM> tp@cbnewsm.ATT.COM (thomas.a.pierce) writes: > >[...] Does anyone out there have >good/bad expiriances with the No-Slot-Clock? (Anyone running a proline with >one?) > -Tom The No-Slot-Clock is not compatible with ModemWorks; thus, it will not work with ProLine. According to Morgan Davis, the NSC doesn't return the correct information to the input buffer when the time is asked for. More spefically, the problem is with the day-of-week and seconds not being returned in the proper ASCII format. It *does* work with ProDOS, although it does not follow the specification exactly, and because of this could not be supported under ModemWorks. I'd avoid it if possible. If you're really pressed for slot space, I'd suggest getting a multi-function card (AE has one) that would allow you to combine a serial card and clock. The No-Slot-Clock requires every version of ProDOS you use to be patched, which is fine if you have a hard drive, but gets to be a bit of a pain if you're restricted to floppies. ______________________________________________________________________________ /> The Broken Blade Aragorn III (Michael Owen) /< ________ ______________ Inet: aragorn@blake.acs.washington.edu C=====[*>_______/|______________> ProLine: aragorn@pro-ruby \< Starfleet HQ: (206) 783-5589 3/12/24 _______\>_____"Ai na vedui!"__________________________________________________
ALBRO@NIEHS.BITNET (08/21/89)
I don't know about the No-Slot-Clock specifically, but the Smartwatch, which as far as I know is functionally equivalent, is perfectly compatible with ModemWorks. I have been running OBBS (a ModemWorks based Shareware BBS system) on a IIe with a Smartwatch ic for over a year with no problems. It is true that ProDOS has to be patched to find the clock, but only on those disks that contain programs that need to tell time! You do have to use a different command from the built-in &TIME, but you get the same information.
fadden@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Andy McFadden) (08/21/89)
The drive is a little weird (it can cause soft block errors if you start to while it is just about to stop whirring), but mostly okay. Slow though. There appears to be some sort of conflict with the UDC and the InnerDrive controller; when I use one and then the other, the computer kicks into slow mode. Note that this does *not* occur when using GS/OS; only ProDOS 8 and ProDOS 16. I have not had any problems with the InnerDrive by itself; just the lousy 3.5" drive. I plan to buy a used AppleDisk 3.5 soon... -- fadden@cory.berkeley.edu (Andy McFadden) ...!ucbvax!cory!fadden
UD161733@VM1.NODAK.EDU (Mike Aos) (08/22/89)
My best friend is running GBBS Pro v1.3j on an Apple IIe with the following configuration.... 1. Super Serial Card connected to an ImageWriter II 2. Epic 2400 BPS Classic II internal Modem 3. Nothing, but 832K on an AE RamWorks II in the Aux slot 4. Mouse Card (not yet installed) 5. Central Point UDC w/1 3.5" Drive 6. Apple Disk Controller Card connected to a DuoDisk 7. Chinook 40 MByte SCSI HD w/Apple SCSI Card SMT No-slot clock. He's had no problems that I know of (and I think I'd know.) Osiris
paul@pro-europa.cts.com (Paul Hutmacher) (08/24/89)
Comment to message from: att!cbnewsm!tp@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (thomas.a.pierce) > I'm hearing about the UDC/Laser 800k drive combo. eating disks. Is > this -ONLY- when used with an innerdrive or does this happen 'universally' :-) I've been using a UDC/Laser 3.5 combo for the last year and a half with varying degrees of success. I've never had it cause a harder to crash (i.e. my CMS s2/20s) but it has reached out and destroyed 3.5" disks at one time or another. I will add this however: Since I've moved it to my dedicated ProLine system and took off the 5.25" disk drive from the UDC it handles the 3.5" drive with nary a problem. If I had to do it over again I'd blow the UDC off. They're junk in my book but capable of (slowly) backing up a hard drive. _______________________________________________________________________________ |UUCP: [ucsd, nosc] ..!crash!pro-europa!paul | Texas SysOps Unite! | |INET: paul@pro-europa.cts.com | Join COSUARD! Let's Fight! | |ARPA: crash!pro-europa!paul@nosc.mil | See you on the 16th Kirk! | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
brianw@microsoft.UUCP (Brian Willoughby) (08/25/89)
In article <8908220151.aa17448@SMOKE.BRL.MIL> UD161733@VM1.NODAK.EDU (Mike Aos) writes: >My best friend is running GBBS Pro v1.3j on an Apple IIe with the following >configuration.... > >1. Super Serial Card connected to an ImageWriter II >2. Epic 2400 BPS Classic II internal Modem >3. Nothing, but 832K on an AE RamWorks II in the Aux slot >4. Mouse Card (not yet installed) >5. Central Point UDC w/1 3.5" Drive >6. Apple Disk Controller Card connected to a DuoDisk >7. Chinook 40 MByte SCSI HD w/Apple SCSI Card > >SMT No-slot clock. He's had no problems that I know of (and I think I'd know.) > >Osiris You probably forgot to mention that he has an Enhanced //e (with a 65C02) but not a W65C802. I see that he doesn't have a TransWarp. I "think" the UDC would have trouble with an unEnhanced //e. But so does everything else (software, at least), it seems. But at least now I know the UDC works with the Chinook on a //e. I've been wondering if my UDC problems would escalate even further with a SCSI drive. Maybe I should sell the Apple 3.5ers, but I hate to lose that Mac compatibility in removable media. Brian Willoughby UUCP: ...!{tikal, sun, uunet, elwood}!microsoft!brianw InterNet: microsoft!brianw@uunet.UU.NET or: microsoft!brianw@Sun.COM Bitnet brianw@microsoft.UUCP