bird@cbnewsd.ATT.COM (j.l.walters) (08/23/89)
I have an Applied Engineering RAM Keeper, AE GS+ memory board, and the Apple memory board that came with my IIgs. The Apple board has 256K of soldered RAM and 256K of locally obtained RAM for a total of 512K on the Apple board (The AE has 1 meg). When I boot with the Apple card in the back pocket and the AE card in the front I get a "ROK" message that tells me that I don't have either 512K or 1Meg on the Apple card. I called AE and they said that the soldered chips (TMS 4256 - 15 NLA) were on their, "do not use list," and the locally obtained chips were on their, "recommended list." The advised me to see my Apple dealer. My Apple dealer consulted AppleLink and it said that: TMS 4256 - 15 NL were recommended, thus they didn't see where Apple had a problem in this matter. Now the question, is there a difference between: TMS 4256 - 15 NL and TMS 4256 - 15 NLA chips? If so, where can I get documentation that my dealer and Apple will believe? If not, what is the going rate for an Apple board with 512K that works perfectly when not used in conjunction with the AE RAM keeper? -- Joe Walters att!ihlpf!bird IHP 1F-240 (312) 713-5356
j_p@pro-lep.cts.com (Jason Perez) (08/27/89)
Comment to message from: att!cbnewsd!bird@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (j.l.walters) One of those chips may be CAS/RAS type and the other not. The IIGS requires the CAS/RAS chips.
garths@pro-xy.UUCP (Garth Shultz) (08/27/89)
Network Comment: to #714 by obsolete!att!cbnewsd!bird%ucbvax.berkeley.edu In reply to: j.l.walters re: Apple Memory Expansion Card problem chips... According to "Open-Apple" (now A2-Central) August 1988, pp. 4.49-4.50, the questionable Apple IIGS Memory Expansion Cards with the questionable chips had the date code: 8751, 8752, or 8801 silkscreened on them and use chips manufactured by NEC in the UK. Of Course, third party chips which are defective may produce problems... as I, unfortunately, discovered.. AE may have information not in the public domain. I would suggest that you consider the utility: Apple GS Memory Test by Bob Consorti, ON-THREE, Inc., 8920 Yolanda Ave, Northridge, CA 91324. It will check the chips in your Apple Card, and pinpoint any problems. As I recall, I d/l'd from CIS (ware). Using the above... I discovered that my third party chips were _not_ CAS before RAS, and I had them replaced (with chips from AE) with gratifying results. The AE RamKeeper utilities _failed_ to show the chip incompatibility with the Apple card. The list price for the Apple IIGS Memory Expansion card (with 256Kb) is $189, as I recall. The current price for each extra 256Kb is $69 or more... If you are interested... I have upgraded my system, and I will sell (sacrifice) my Apple IIGS (1.0 Mb) Memory Expansion Card for $225.00. Since I replaced the third party chips I have had NO problems, and will guarantee my card for 90 days (same as Apple). My Apple card has been used for less than a year... but it is thoroughly tested... and it works perfectly. If you would like to upgrade to true GS power at a bargain price (compare with magazine ads) let me know... (I'll provide a copy of the shareware Memory Test... if you desire). Proline: garths@pro-xy "Under carefully controlled InterNet: crash!garths@pro-xy.cts.com clinical situations, an ARPA: crash!pro-xy!garths@nosc.mil organism behaves as it damn UUCP: crash!pro-xy!garths well pleases." (Harvard Law CIS: 72416,1622 of Animal Behavior.) GEnie: dipswitch APE: hotchips
bird@cbnewsd.ATT.COM (j.l.walters) (08/28/89)
From article <8908280233.AA16522@obsolete.UUCP>, by garths@pro-xy.UUCP (Garth Shultz): > > According to "Open-Apple" (now A2-Central) August 1988, > pp. 4.49-4.50, the questionable Apple IIGS Memory Expansion > Cards with the questionable chips had the date code: 8751, 8752, > or 8801 silkscreened on them and use chips manufactured by NEC > in the UK. > > AE may have information not in the public domain. My problem is fixed. One reader on the net sent me mail telling me to look at the latest InCider for an article about problems that Apple would fix. It mentioned the NEC chips you talk about, plus, at the end it mentioned some unnamed chips with a little "A" in the lower left hand corner. Armed with the article and my board, I marched back to my dealer where they called Apple (Tech support??). Apple didn't know anything about the little "A" problem, just the NEC chips. However, my dealer decided to swap boards with me so I could test my theory. I glad to report that I'm now the proud owner of a 1.75 GS. We hear a lot about bad dealers here so it seems only right to sing out when there are superior dealers. -- Joe Walters att!ihlpf!bird IHP 1F-240 (312) 713-5356
SEWALL@UCONNVM.BITNET (Murph Sewall) (08/29/89)
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