11SSTEIN@GALLUA.BITNET (10/04/87)
I wonder if Apple IIgs has a built-in modem or hard-disk?
How can I attach a hard disk to either Apple II+ or IIgs?
As I know, IBM can become a fake apple through QUADLINK.
Can Apple become a fake IBM?
- Regards, Scott.STEIN@UCONNVM.BITNET (10/05/87)
The GS has no built in modem or hard disk. It does have a built in modem port. Several companies make hard disks that can be attached to the various Apple IIs. All require an interface card, which frequently comes with the disk. Most newer hard disks use a SCSI interface, which Apple is pushing as a standard. Several companies make hard disks which can be used with either an Apple II or a Mac, depending on which software you use to install them. As far as I know, you can't yet emulate an IBM, but you should be able to within the next few months as AE comes out with an emulation card.
jockc@killer.UUCP (Jock Cooper) (10/06/87)
In article <8710031814.aa26825@SMOKE.BRL.ARPA>, 11SSTEIN@GALLUA.BITNET writes: > > As I know, IBM can become a fake apple through QUADLINK. > Can Apple become a fake IBM? > Applied Engineering's PC Transporter (previously codenamed "Little Blue") will supposedly allow a ][+, //e or IIgs to run msdos. AE anticipates shipment of the product around November. If you are interested I suggest you contact AE or get the September 87 issue of A+ magazine which has a pretty good review of the product. ----------------------------+ jock / ihnp4!killer!jockc | ----------------------------+
afoster@ogcvax.UUCP (Allan Foster) (10/06/87)
In article <SMOKE.8710031814.aa26825> 11SSTEIN@GALLUA.BITNET writes: > > I wonder if Apple IIgs has a built-in modem or hard-disk? No, it has neither built in. It does have a built-in serial port ( 2 in fact ) so connecting an external modem is simple. > How can I attach a hard disk to either Apple II+ or IIgs? You need an interface card the plugs into one of the slots in either machine. You can get a SCSI interface card and use a SCSI disk (20 meg +- $600 ). There is also Apple's Profile,but Apple does not make them any more. > As I know, IBM can become a fake apple through QUADLINK. > Can Apple become a fake IBM? Yes, it can. Have a look at the Lil blue card from Applied Eng. > > - Regards, Scott. Regards Allan Foster Hey, You can't do that, You're DEAD --The living Daylights Allan Foster UUCP : tektronix!ogcvax!afoster GEnie : A.FOSTER AppleLink : UG0035 USPS : 1340 SE 89 Portland OR 97216 Voice : (503) 257-0573 Voice : (503) 252-1351 CSNet : afoster@Oregon-Grad
halp@TCGOULD.TN.CORNELL.EDU ("Bruce P. Halpern") (10/07/87)
RE: Apple as IBM The September, 1987 _A+_ contains a long article on Applied Engineering's PC Transporter (_A+_, 5(9), PC Transporter, 30-46, 1987), an Apple II card that produces an XT-AT clone inside an Apple ][. Judging from the AE add on page 21 of the November _A+_, PC Transporter isn't quite ready yet. They give a November delivery. If anyone has tested beta versions, impressions will be of interest. Also, those who buy early versions will hopefully report to this group. ****DISCLAMER: My comments, etc., are my own shakey opinions ******** | Bruce P. Halpern Psychology & Neurobiology & Behavior Cornell Ithaca | | ARPA: halp@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu | | BITNET: HALP@CRNLTHRY D57J@CORNELLA D57J@CRNLVAX5 | | PHONE: 607-255-6433 Uris Hall, Cornell U., Ithaca, NY 14853-7601 |
griswolf@mist.cs.orst.edu (Frank Griswold) (10/17/88)
For sale to ANY BIDDER
2 microsci 70 track apple disk drives, including interface card
These run all the 8-bit OSs (some a bit more elegantly), and are
NOT BEING SUPPORTED. I paid (ridiculous by current standards)
over $400 for these babies, and upgraded to 800k drives. They are
not in the machine, but worked fine last I looked. All original
documents, patch disk, etc. (gladly check 'em out before sale)
------------------ PLEASE MAKE AN OFFER -------------------
(I'll even talk donation for a tax break, but would prefer $$
or trade....I need game software for my 2e.. also educational
aimed at (bright of course.:-) 10 year olds. Other?? )
For sale at $70.00 (free shipping to USA or so)
Avatex 1200 baud modem (no cable) ~1 year old, which became avail.
when I went to 2400 baud. This is a moderately standard modem, with
only one annoyance for me (besides the speed :-) ) : It does not
detect or deal with busy signals, nor does it have a speaker so that
you can do it youreslf (easily).
If I'm WAY off on price, tell me nicely...If I'm pretty close, lets
talk!
PLEASE dont post to the newsgroups with replys ("sorry" to those that know
better anyhow) because I rarely get enough time to read these. (I stick to
the important stuff like rec.humor.funny, or even to real work....) I will,
however, gladly deal with snail mail, phone calls, or other reasonable ways
of coping.
Frank Griswold griswolf@mist.cs.orst.edu
904 NW 30th Ave (503) 754 - 7405
Corvallis, OR 97330 (sometimes found at OSU Computer Science)ralphw@ius3.ius.cs.cmu.edu (Ralph Hyre) (01/11/89)
The best I've seen (and I certainly admit to not having seen everything)
was in 1984/85, a few issues of Call Apple (now TechAlliance) magazine.
They actually documented the I/O locations that twiddle the drive, and
had code for a spiral protection scheme.
But, why would you want to directly access the drive hardware without
using DOS 3.X, ProDOS, or GS/OS?
All you're doing is guaranteeing incompatibility at some future date.
Must be copy protection.
--
- Ralph W. Hyre, Jr.
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-- aash@ms.uky.edu (aashi deacon) (01/11/89)
Would the author of Z-Link let me know when the new
copy is out so I can archive it? I still have an
old version hanging around with a note attached that
it is an old version, and a new one is forthcoming.
And we have re-arranged our archive a bit today.
The apple stuff is in pub/appleII. It should be
a bit easier than it was to figure things out.
Now if only I could get that README file written.... hehe
Our site (for those that have just joined in) is
f.ms.uky.edu (128.163.128.6).
thanks!
--
aash
aash@ms.uky.edu
{backbone site|rutgers|uunet}!ukma!aash
I think I'm jumping on the "Primos sucks" bandwagon. rms@gorf.UUCP (Roger M. Shimada) (01/11/89)
In article <3995@pt.cs.cmu.edu> ralphw@ius3.ius.cs.cmu.edu (Ralph Hyre) writes: >But, why would you want to directly access the drive hardware without >using DOS 3.X, ProDOS, or GS/OS? Speed? Something a little out of the ordinary? (See below.) >All you're doing is guaranteeing incompatibility at some future date. Not for 5.25" drives. The hardware for 5.25" drives is identical throughout the entire // family. Actually, the odds of any DOS of changing is _much_ higher. Did you notice how the 5.25" driver is not installed on the GS/OS System disk? (Though it is on the Tool disk provided.) >Must be copy protection. This is probably true for most people. However, I think fast disk copies must rank in a strong second place. Not having to format a disk before writing an entire disk saves time. A hard disk backup program that didn't require formatted floppies to back up on would be a good thing. -- Roger M. Shimada rms@gorf.mn.org
kornellm@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Mark Kornell) (01/12/89)
In article <3995@pt.cs.cmu.edu>, ralphw@ius3.ius.cs.cmu.edu (Ralph Hyre) writes: > The best I've seen (and I certainly admit to not having seen everything) > was in 1984/85, a few issues of Call Apple (now TechAlliance) magazine. > They actually documented the I/O locations that twiddle the drive, and > had code for a spiral protection scheme. > > But, why would you want to directly access the drive hardware without > using DOS 3.X, ProDOS, or GS/OS? > > All you're doing is guaranteeing incompatibility at some future date. > Must be copy protection. > - Ralph W. Hyre, Jr. Thanks to all the people who sent me information, through e-mail, and in this group. I did subscribe to Call A.P.P.L.E. for quite a while, I'll have to look through my back issues to see if I can find anything useful. This isn't a flame directed to Ralph Hyre, but because he brought it up, I feel I have to say something: No, No, No. I hate copy protection! (Besides, just about all protection schemes on the Apple are soooo easy to break). I'm not into pirating either, but all copy-protection does is drive up software prices, and as a student, I'm on a limited budget as it is. What I really want to do is emulate the disk controller card in software, for those who are wondering. > The meek shall inherit the earth -- | Mark Kornell < > in plots 6 feet by 3 feet | kornellm@cpsc.UCalgary.CA < > (but they do get mineral rights) | Kornell@UNCAMULT < ================================================================================
gwyn@smoke.BRL.MIL (Doug Gwyn ) (01/13/89)
In article <486@cs-spool.calgary.UUCP> kornellm@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Mark Kornell) writes: > No, No, No. I hate copy protection! (Besides, just about all > protection schemes on the Apple are soooo easy to break). I'm > not into pirating either, but all copy-protection does is drive > up software prices, and as a student, I'm on a limited budget > as it is. I don't like "copy protection" either, if it makes backup or transfer to hard disk impractical. Fortunately many software publishers have figured out ways to use accessory, often hard-to-reproduce, documentation as the "key" for protection against piracy. I don't think you can make a rational case for "copy protection driving up software prices". Certainly that is not the opinion of software publishers.
SEWALL@UCONNVM.BITNET (Murph Sewall) (01/13/89)
>I don't think you can make a rational case for "copy protection driving >up software prices". Certainly that is not the opinion of software >publishers. What ho! A gauntlet thrown? How's this: the software (sometimes hardware) needed to install copy protection on mass produced disks isn't free either (not even "shareware" ;-). Since copy protection schemes generally are cracked approximately 8 milliseconds after the first disk is sold, it's necessary to keep investing in new (often more exotic = more expensive) copy protection systems in order to stay ahead of the "backup" programs (I doubt there are enough actual 'crackers' in the World to have much economic significance all by themselves; it's their passion for sharing their outcomes with everyone else that has impact). Who do you suppose PAYS for all that investment in copy protection? I doubt Lotus dropped copy protection just because users complained about the inconvenience of keeping a "key disk" in the 'a' drive. They did it because enough competing spreadsheet programs became established in the market to lead to REAL price competition, and Lotus could no longer maintain a margin large enough to include "passing the copy protection costs along to the consumer." I agree that the logic that piracy increases prices because producers set prices high enough to pay for both the purchased and unregistered copies is false. Murph Sewall Vaporware? ---> [Gary Larson returns 1/1/90] Prof. of Marketing Sewall@UConnVM.BITNET Business School sewall%uconnvm.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu [INTERNET] U of Connecticut {psuvax1 or mcvax }!UCONNVM.BITNET!SEWALL [UUCP] -+- I don't speak for my employer, though I frequently wish that I could (subject to change without notice; void where prohibited) According to the American Facsimile Association, more than half the calls from Japan to the U.S. are fax calls. FAX it to me at: 1-203-486-5246
mattd@pnet01.cts.com (Matt Day) (08/23/89)
Why shouldn't I get an IBM?
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INET: mattd@pnet01.cts.compaul@pro-europa.cts.com (Paul Hutmacher) (08/27/89)
Comment to message from: mattd@pnet01.cts.com (Matt Day) > Why shouldn't I get an IBM? Why should you? _______________________________________________________________________________ |UUCP: [ucsd, nosc] ..!crash!pro-europa!paul | Texas SysOps Unite! | |INET: paul@pro-europa.cts.com | Join COSUARD! Let's Fight! | |ARPA: crash!pro-europa!paul@nosc.mil | See you on the 16th Kirk! | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
rbrown@pro-embassy.cts.com (Richard Brown) (09/01/89)
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