APTC1%MKVAX1@MSUS1.BITNET (07/20/89)
As far as backing things up, I'd use, CopyII+. That has a rather extensive, easy to use Param. Files. For a configuration, if a Hard drive is a finacial possibility, I would go with upping the memory to a full 1 meg on the card, and then getting a hard drive. With setting the maximum RAMDISK at 800K that's as good as having a second 3.5". The hard drive isn't really necessary, but it sure is nice ( you probably know that though from owning/using an IBM) Finally, I'd take a good look at ORCA 'C' or Pascal. Personnally I like Pascal, and it would be a good jump start for the kids (although, I guess statistics show that people entering College who have had previous programming experience do worse than those who are learning for the first time, but I am not completely convinced of that). aptc1%mkvax1@msus1.bitnet
rickf@Apple.COM (Rick Fleischman) (07/21/89)
In article <33296@apple.Apple.COM> dlyons@Apple.COM (David Lyons) writes: >There is lot of technical documentation for the GS; it just doesn't come in >the box. There are two major sources: Addison-Wesley and APDA. > >You can reach APDA at 1-800-282-APDA, and you can buy/order Addison-Wesley >reference manuals at your local bookstore. If you can find any A-W book in >stock, browse through it and you'll find a list of many of the other manuals, >too. (I believe the APDA catalog lists all the Addison-Wesley GS books, too.) APDA does currently carry all of the currently available Apple Technical Library books that Addison-Wesley publishes, including all of the Apple IIGS-related titles. For information about new calls and GS/OS beyond what is covered in the Addison-Wesley books, the following references are available through APDA: A0009LL/A -- Apple IIGS Toolbox Reference Update -- $30.00 A2F2037 -- GS/OS Reference, Volume 1, Beta Draft -- $35.00 A0008LL/A -- GS/OS Reference, Volume 2, Beta Draft -- $35.00 Apple IIGS System Software v.5.0 is not yet available through APDA, nor is any System 5.0 specific documentation available at this time. Rick Fleischman Developer Channels Apple Computer, Inc. rickf@apple.com AppleLink: FLEISCHMAN@applelink.apple.com
wagner@pucc.Princeton.EDU (John Wagner) (08/15/89)
I just bought a IIGS for my children (why? because they have apple IIs
in the school district) and being a mainframe type I have no idea what
sources of info exist (except for this list). I'm looking for suggestions
for:
1. What magazines(s) should I subscribe to? (The kids are simply users, I want to play).
2. Where do I find documentation on ProDOS(8/16)? I thought IBM was bad
but the lack of documentation for the GS is astounding (IBM provides 1
set of technical manuals with the operating sytem, the most technical
manual with the GS was the BASIC overview and it doesn't even include
the full syntax). Which manuals do I need to understand the GS and which ones are really only useful for someone doing assembler level code?
3. I have a Hayes 2400 modem (and the cable needed to make the external
connection to the modem port). Where can I find a reasonable
free/shareware terminal emulator? I'll be dialing into a protocol
converter so the terminal type that is emulated is less important
than the robustness of the code.
4. I current have 512K with 1 3.5 and 1 5.25 drive. Given this configuration would you add a hard disk or add another 3.5 and
expand memory (or some other combination)?
5. How do you handle making a backup of copy protected disks?
6. What programming language (other than assembler, I do enough of that at
work) would you recommend? And from which vendor (if more than 1
supports it)? Is there a single standard for the format of the compiled
code or is this proprietary from vendor to vendor?
Thanks in advance for any answers you can provide.dlyons@Apple.COM (David Lyons) (08/16/89)
In article <9500@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> wagner@pucc.Princeton.EDU (John Wagner) writes: [...] >2. Where do I find documentation on ProDOS(8/16)? I thought IBM was bad > but the lack of documentation for the GS is astounding (IBM provides 1 > set of technical manuals with the operating sytem, the most technical > manual with the GS was the BASIC overview and it doesn't even include > the full syntax). Which manuals do I need to understand the GS and > which ones are really only useful for someone doing assembler level > code? [...] There is lot of technical documentation for the GS; it just doesn't come in the box. There are two major sources: Addison-Wesley and APDA. You can reach APDA at 1-800-282-APDA, and you can buy/order Addison-Wesley reference manuals at your local bookstore. If you can find any A-W book in stock, browse through it and you'll find a list of many of the other manuals, too. (I believe the APDA catalog lists all the Addison-Wesley GS books, too.) --Dave Lyons, Apple Computer, Inc. | DAL Systems AppleLink--Apple Edition: DAVE.LYONS | P.O. Box 875 AppleLink--Personal Edition: Dave Lyons | Cupertino, CA 95015-0875 GEnie: D.LYONS2 or DAVE.LYONS CompuServe: 72177,3233 Internet/BITNET: dlyons@apple.com UUCP: ...!ames!apple!dlyons My opinions are my own, not Apple's.
SEWALL@UCONNVM.BITNET (Murph Sewall) (09/06/89)
Message from AUGUST 15 arrives SEP 5! Did someone accuse the postman of being a tad slow? Ain't technology a hoot? On Tue, 15 Aug 89 16:04:09 GMT you said: >1. What magazines(s) should I subscribe to? (The kids are simply users, I > want to play). In spite of the recent invective, if your serious about Apple II's you can't live without A2-Central! I'm not up to a level where I can follow the majority of the stuff in there, but I've been so impressed with Tom Weishaar going back his DOS-Talk columns in the late, lamented Soft-Talk, that I've even ordered the (bound) back issues (with cross-references so you can *actually* find what you're looking for). $28 for one year, $54 for 2 A2-Central P.O. Box 11250 Overland Park, KS 66207 You're one of those people that speaks hex for a living, so you can benefit from a subscription to Call-A.P.P.L.E. You can subscribe to the magazine alone for $21 per year, but it makes sense to belong to the A.P.P.L.E. CooP (one-time application fee of $23 plus $26 per year which INCLUDES a subsription to the magazine). Call-A.P.P.L.E. 290 S.W. 43rd Street Renton, WA 98055 >2. Where do I find documentation on ProDOS(8/16)? I thought IBM was bad > but the lack of documentation for the GS is astounding... Apple has documentation out the ying-yang. So much so that they've been overwhelmed (threatening to become a publishing giant while trying to make and sell computers). They've turned almost the whole docs enterprise over to Addison-Wessley Publishing. You can get a decent deal on the titles from Barnes & Noble (and other discount bookstores). I expect other subscribers to comp.sys.apple will besiege you with suggested titles and Library of Congress numbers. >3. I have a Hayes 2400 modem (and the cable needed to make the external > connection to the modem port). Where can I find a reasonable > free/shareware terminal emulator? I'll be dialing into a protocol > converter so the terminal type that is emulated is less important > than the robustness of the code. It's hard to beat Kermit-65 for both price (free) and robustness of code (VT100 emulation works super with Yale ASCII; also will download software from PUCC as a bonus). You can get the files by anonymous ftp from cunixc.cc.columbia.edu or email to KERMSRV@CUVMA <--NOTE Spelling only one 'E' SEND APP385.1 SEND APP385.2 SEND APPLE.DOC the hard part is downloading or capturing the two APP385 text files onto a DOS 3.3 disk so you can EXEC them into a working Kermit program (the KERMIT385 'B' <binary> file can be copied to ProDOS where it can be BRUN under BASIC.SYSTEM). >5. How do you handle making a backup of copy protected disks? With much knashing of teeth. There are *bunches* of programs out there, but I've found the single most useful one to be Copy 2 Plus (available from mail order sources just about everywhere). I generally avoid copy protected stuff except when I can buy games for the kids from 'obsolete' stock at Applefest for $3 a copy (at those prices, if one gets trashed, that's life). Murph Sewall Vaporware? ---> [Gary Larson returns 1/1/90] Prof. of Marketing Sewall@UConnVM.BITNET Business School sewall%uconnvm.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu [INTERNET] U of Connecticut {psuvax1 or mcvax }!UCONNVM.BITNET!SEWALL [UUCP] (203) 486-5246 [FAX] (203) 486-2489 [PHONE] 41 49N 72 15W [ICBM] The opposite of artificial intelligence is genuine stupidity! -+- I don't speak for my employer, though I frequently wish that I could (subject to change without notice; void where prohibited)
TSEMM@ALASKA.BITNET (Ed 'Apple Guru' Moore) (09/07/89)
For magazines, personally can't reccompend much. For serious users there is Nibble and Incider/A+. For a good magazine about removing copy protection forrom disketts, there is Computist.
kreme@netcom.UUCP (Kreme The Immortal) (09/07/89)
SEWALL@UCONNVM.BITNET (Murph Sewall) writes: >Someone else (lost it) wrote: >>5. How do you handle making a backup of copy protected disks? > >With much knashing of teeth. There are *bunches* of programs out there, >but I've found the single most useful one to be Copy 2 Plus (available >from mail order sources just about everywhere). > The best thing to do is subsribe to Computist. Not only will it give you reliable methods for deprotecting software, if will also teach you more in a few issues about the apple, Dos and ProDOS than you would normally learn in a year. There are also hints on how to paly games, files to edit games, reviews of new products (soft and hardware), and lots of other stuff. Computist PO Box 110846-T Tacoma, WA 98411 (206) 474-5750 24$ per 8 issues (about a year) -- | apple!netcom!kreme |All the towns in America and I have to move to | |The real cycle you're |the Bermuda Triangle. Nightmare on Elm Street | |working on is a cycle |Why do they fear the sunless lands? It is as | |called yourself. |natural to die as it is to be born. Sandman | | Robert Pirsig |WARNING:THESE OPINIONS ARE HARMFUL IF SWALLOWED|