dsk@mtgzz.UUCP (12/02/86)
Various messages have referred to Tech Notes with the implication that Apple Computer is the publisher. Is there a newsletter that Apple publishes for the // family? If so, how does one subscribe? Thanks. Don Klett mtgzz!dsk
ranger@ecsvax.UUCP (Rick N. Fincher) (12/04/86)
In article <2306@mtgzz.UUCP>, dsk@mtgzz.UUCP writes: > > Various messages have referred to Tech Notes with the implication that > Apple Computer is the publisher. Is there a newsletter that Apple > publishes for the // family? If so, how does one subscribe? Thanks. You can get the Prodos Tech notes from Apple Computer Developer Support through their certified developer program. The international Apple Core also sent out the notes on their disk #43, I believe, . It was the disk that had Freewriter on it anyway. You probably don't have to be a developer toOD a developer to get the notes, but you can call and find out. I don't have the number handy but you can call infornation in the Cupertino area and find out. Rick Fincher ranger@ecsvax
lsr@apple.UUCP (Larry Rosenstein) (12/05/86)
In article <2306@mtgzz.UUCP> dsk@mtgzz.UUCP writes: > >Various messages have referred to Tech Notes with the implication that >Apple Computer is the publisher. Is there a newsletter that Apple >publishes for the // family? If so, how does one subscribe? Thanks. > The Tech Support group at Apple publishes Technical Notes. There is a separate series for the Apple // and Macintosh. The Tech Notes describe various techniques, bugs, etc. that are of interest to developers. Subscriptions to the Tech Notes (as well as back issues) are available from APDA. -- Larry Rosenstein Object Specialist Apple Computer AppleLink: Rosenstein1 UUCP: {sun, voder, nsc, mtxinu, dual}!apple!lsr CSNET: lsr@Apple.CSNET
keeshu@nikhefk.UUCP (Kees Huyser) (12/07/86)
In article <356@apple.UUCP> lsr@apple.UUCP (Larry Rosenstein) writes: > >The Tech Support group at Apple publishes Technical Notes. There is a >separate series for the Apple // and Macintosh. The Tech Notes describe >various techniques, bugs, etc. that are of interest to developers. > >Subscriptions to the Tech Notes (as well as back issues) are available from >APDA. > Is there a change of seeing the Apple // TechNotes making an appearance on the net? I've seen MacTechNotes zooming past, but never any for the Apple //. I sure would like to see some of them, since a lot more people program //'s than Mac's. If Apple Inc supports the MacCommunity, why not the // people? Don't forget, the // owners supported Apple when it still was a baby. I think you owe us some.... Most of the *realy* nice software for the // came from the usergroups, not the developers. | Kees Huyser | UUCP : keeshu@nikhefk.uucp or : {[wherever]!seismo}!mcvax!nikhefk!keeshu | BITNET : U00212@hasara5.bitnet | FIDO via unix : {decvax}!vaxine!spark!500!11!kees_huyser | FIDO via fido : kees huyser at net 500 node 11
lsr@apple.UUCP (Larry Rosenstein) (12/10/86)
In article <74@nikhefk.UUCP> keeshu@nikhefk.UUCP (Kees Huyser) writes: >Is there a change of seeing the Apple // TechNotes making an appearance on >the net? I've seen MacTechNotes zooming past, but never any for the Apple //. > >I sure would like to see some of them, since a lot more people program //'s >than Mac's. If Apple Inc supports the MacCommunity, why not the // people? > The Apple // Tech Notes are distributed in the wame way as Macintosh Tech Notes. You can buy a subscription from APDA (hard copy or on diskette) or you can try to get them from some BBS. There is no restriction on copying the Tech Notes, except that they cannot be resold. I don't recall seeing any of the Macintosh Technical Notes posted to the net. Various people (outside of Apple) have made them available via ftp. There is no reason why the same cannot be done for Apple // Tech Notes. -- Larry Rosenstein Object Specialist Apple Computer AppleLink: Rosenstein1 UUCP: {sun, voder, nsc, mtxinu, dual}!apple!lsr CSNET: lsr@Apple.CSNET
kamath@reed.UUCP (12/10/86)
In article <74@nikhefk.UUCP> keeshu@nikhefk.UUCP (Kees Huyser) writes: >In article <356@apple.UUCP> lsr@apple.UUCP (Larry Rosenstein) writes: >> >>The Tech Support group at Apple publishes Technical Notes. There is a >>separate series for the Apple // and Macintosh. The Tech Notes describe >>various techniques, bugs, etc. that are of interest to developers. >> >>Subscriptions to the Tech Notes (as well as back issues) are available from >>APDA. > >I sure would like to see some of them, since a lot more people program //'s >than Mac's. If Apple Inc supports the MacCommunity, why not the // people? > >Don't forget, the // owners supported Apple when it still was a baby. I think >you owe us some.... > >Most of the *realy* nice software for the // came from the usergroups, not the >developers. > >| Kees Huyser Well, I just subscibed (joined?) the ADPA to get the tech notes. I also noted that the only way to get the updates on disk was on Macintosh disks. I think this is STUPID (Hear that Apple?). I don't own a mac, and I don't plan to. I DO have access to one, but not forever...However, they may have meant 3.5 inch disks. Even so, how hard would it be to put them on 5.25 inch disks? I guess Dos 3.3 is too much to ask for :-) ________________________________________________________________________________ Sean Kamath UUCP: {masscomp, decvax, allegra, psu-cs, ucbcad, ucbvax, purdue, hplabs, hp-pcd, sequent, uw-beaver, ihnp4, cbosgd, gatech, nsc-pdc}!tektronix!reed!kamath CSNET: reed!kamath@Tektronix.CSNET BITNET: reed!kamath@Berkeley.BITNET ARPA: tektronix!reed!kamath@Berkeley reed!kamath@hplabs DECNET: RHEA::DECWRL::"decvax!tektronix!reed!kamath" US Snail: Box 395 Reed College, Portland, OR 97202 (503) 239-7458 These are not the fastest or best paths, just the easiest to use. I hope they work. (Most notably the US Snail Service :-)
ranger@ecsvax.UUCP (Rick N. Fincher) (12/11/86)
> > Well, I just subscibed (joined?) the ADPA to get the tech notes. I also > noted that the only way to get the updates on disk was on Macintosh > disks. I think this is STUPID (Hear that Apple?). I don't own a mac, > and I don't plan to. I DO have access to one, but not > forever...However, they may have meant 3.5 inch disks. Even so, how > hard would it be to put them on 5.25 inch disks? I guess Dos 3.3 is too > much to ask for :-) I can get the Apple tech notes from Apple link on a Mac and post them here, since Apple has no objection to their free distribution. Would this be a proper use of the net? Or should another means of distribution be used? Should I post them here or in another newsgroup? Please com- ment on this and I will follow the wishes of the group. Rick Fincher ranger@ecsvax >
mw22#@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Michael Alan Wertheim) (12/13/86)
Please post them. Mike Wertheim (Carnegie Mellon University)
iadt3tb@gitpyr.gatech.EDU (T. Terrell Banks) (12/14/86)
>I can get the Apple tech notes from Apple link on a Mac and post them >here, since Apple has no objection to their free distribution. Would >this be a proper use of the net? Or should another means of distribution >be used? Should I post them here or in another newsgroup? Please com- >ment on this and I will follow the wishes of the group. > >Rick Fincher ][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] I would like to see them posted here. I'd really rather not have to check still another newsgroup when I read news. T. Terrell Banks Georgia Insitute of Technology Information Systems and Applications 190 Third Street NW Atlanta Georgia, 30332 Internet: iadt3tb@pyr.gatech.edu uucp: ...!{akgua,ihnp4,hplabs,seismo}!gatech!gitpyr!iadt3tb Bitnet: iadt3tb@gitvm1
ag0@k.cc.purdue.edu (Colin Jenkins) (12/14/86)
In article <2457@ecsvax.UUCP> ranger@ecsvax.UUCP (Rick N. Fincher) writes: >I can get the Apple tech notes from Apple link on a Mac and post them >here, since Apple has no objection to their free distribution. Would >this be a proper use of the net? Or should another means of distribution >be used? Should I post them here or in another newsgroup? Please com- >ment on this and I will follow the wishes of the group. > >Rick Fincher >ranger@ecsvax As long as it is "proper (whoever decides that anyway?) I would love to see the notes copied here. Anyone who doesn't want to read it could just skip it. Colin
Mly.G.Pogo%OZ.AI.MIT.EDU@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU (Bob Soron) (12/14/86)
> Date: 11 Dec 86 15:16:53 GMT > From: "Rick N. Fincher" <decvax!mcnc!ecsvax!ranger@ucbvax.berkeley.edu> > Subject: Re: Apple Tech Notes (Apple are you listening?) > To: info-apple@BRL.ARPA > > I can get the Apple tech notes from Apple link on a Mac and post them > here, since Apple has no objection to their free distribution. Would > this be a proper use of the net? Or should another means of distribution > be used? Should I post them here or in another newsgroup? Please com- > ment on this and I will follow the wishes of the group. > > Rick Fincher > ranger@ecsvax Perhaps the best solution would be for you to moderate a new mailing list, along the lines of (say) "info-apple-technotes" or something. Or do as the Mac list does and archive them at a site which allows easy FTP access. But I really don't want my mailbox cluttered with this stuff; it should be made readily available to those who want it (I think it's a great idea) but invisible to those who don't. Bob -------
MKrieg@UMass.BITNET ("Mark Kriegsman/Hampshire College") (12/14/86)
Yes!
Yes!
Please post the Apple Tech Notes! This is exactly the kind of
thing that belongs here!
BTW: how are you linking into "AppleLink"? (Can I?)
Anyway, thanks.
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P.S. Steve "the mouth-sounds boy", DROP ME A NOTE! (Hi Marc, John!)CDTAXW@IRISHMVS.BITNET (12/15/86)
Please don't post them ... that quantity of mail will just add to the congestion that already exists on the net. They can be gotten in paper form from APDA as well as on Macintosh diskettes. It would serve everyone much better to either archive them someplace or to send them directly only to those people requesting them. The nets just don't need that kind of volume ... Mark
ranger@ecsvax.UUCP (Rick N. Fincher) (12/15/86)
So far I have 3 requests to post to the net, one suggestion to put them someplace where they can be easily FTPed and one suggestion to start a new moderated section for them. Any other comments? Rick Fincher ranger@ecsvax
keeshu@nikhefk.UUCP (Kees Huyser) (12/16/86)
In article <2457@ecsvax.UUCP> ranger@ecsvax.UUCP (Rick N. Fincher) writes: > >I can get the Apple tech notes from Apple link on a Mac and post them >here, since Apple has no objection to their free distribution. > >Rick Fincher >ranger@ecsvax Please post them to the net, if it can be done with the MacTechnotes, why not with the Apple// Technotes.... -- Kees | Kees Huyser | UUCP : keeshu@nikhefk.uucp or : {[wherever]!seismo}!mcvax!nikhefk!keeshu | BITNET : U00212@hasara5.bitnet | FIDO via unix : {decvax}!vaxine!spark!500!11!kees_huyser | FIDO via fido : kees huyser at net 500 node 11
wesm@MITRE-BEDFORD.ARPA (Wes Miller) (12/16/86)
Post 'em.
XDWJ@ECNCDC.BITNET (Darrell Johns) (12/16/86)
Please post them.
mikec@tekred.UUCP (Mike Combs) (12/17/86)
In article <2473@ecsvax.UUCP> ranger@ecsvax.UUCP (Rick N. Fincher) writes: >So far I have 3 requests to post to the net, one suggestion to put them >someplace where they can be easily FTPed and one suggestion to start a >new moderated section for them. Any other comments? > >Rick Fincher >ranger@ecsvax Tech notes are very easy to get ahold of, on disk or printed. I see no reason to clog up the net with them. One way to get them is from APDA. I don't have APDA's address with me right now, but I'll post it soon. ..mac ----- Mike A. Combs -------------------------------------------------- ^--the "A" is for: "Accidently erased the files" GEnie: mike.combs MCI: m.combs tektronix!tekgen!tekred!mikec terrorist, cryptography, DES, drugs, cipher, secret, decode, NSA, CIA, NRO.
crc@OBERON.LCS.MIT.EDU (Charles Carley) (12/17/86)
I am all for Apple tech notes making an apperance here, on Info-Apple I work with my ][e at home, IBM PC XT's at work, and I fond the tech info on Info-IBMPC to be of great service. I see no reason why we should not receive Apple tech notes right here. Charles Carley crc@oberon
larry@pdn.UUCP (Larry Swift) (12/18/86)
I vote to post them to the net. ----------------- Larry Swift
cc@rayssd.UUCP (12/18/86)
I think many people would appreciate someone posting the Tech Notes, I know I would! For the apparently small :-), number who don't want it posted to the net, there's always the 'n' key. As a compromise, could the Notes be posted in a series of installments? I hope you decide to post them, if not can you e-mail them?
Mly.G.Pogo%OZ.AI.MIT.EDU@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU (Bob Soron) (12/19/86)
> Date: 16 Dec 86 12:03:11 GMT > From: Kees Huyser <mcvax!nikhefk!keeshu@seismo.css.gov> > Subject: Re: Apple Tech Notes (Apple are you listening?) > To: info-apple@BRL.ARPA > > In article <2457@ecsvax.UUCP> ranger@ecsvax.UUCP (Rick N. Fincher) writes: > > > >I can get the Apple tech notes from Apple link on a Mac and post them > >here, since Apple has no objection to their free distribution. > > > >Rick Fincher > >ranger@ecsvax > > Please post them to the net, if it can be done with the MacTechnotes, why > not with the Apple// Technotes.... > > -- Kees You folks are either missing or ignoring an important point. Mac tech notes are not posted to the net. They are put in the directory at Sumex-Aim, where they are available to anyone who wants them without clogging the nets up with a substantial amount of needless text. I am receiving them, even though I don't want them; this is therefore unwanted traffic on the nets and unwanted junk in my mail file and disk space allotment here. But if I don't want to receive them, I'd have to leave the Info-Apple mailing list. Are the people who voted to send the tech notes out on the nets to everyone actually developers? Or is it just curiosity that'll fade after a week or two? Is their interest so urgent that they can't take the time to FTP them from a directory? Bob -------
brian@ut-sally.UUCP (Brian H. Powell) (12/19/86)
In article <12263945935.96.MLY.G.POGO@OZ.AI.MIT.EDU> Bob Soron writes: > You folks are either missing or ignoring an important point. Mac tech > notes are not posted to the net. They are put in the directory at Sumex-Aim, Not only are the technotes available for ftp, they are also posted to mod.mac.binaries. So, they ARE posted to USENET. > Are the people who voted to send the tech notes out on the nets to > everyone actually developers? That may depend on how you define "developer". Most are probably not full-time developers with products on or destined for the market. One of the neat features about computers, especially the Apple ][ series, is that users can program the machine. Therefore, many usenet users are apple ][ programmers. > Is their interest so urgent that they can't > take the time to FTP them from a directory? You and I are fortunate to have ARPA access. There are many more users on usenet that don't have ARPA access. It's not that we would be inconveniencing the usenet user; we would be excluding him/her. I think the tech notes should be posted somewhere, either here or in a new, moderated newsgroup. Brian H. Powell UUCP: {ihnp4,seismo,ctvax}!ut-sally!brian ARPA: brian@sally.UTEXAS.EDU _Work_ _Not Work_ Department of Computer Sciences P.O. Box 5899 Taylor Hall 2.124 Austin, TX 78763-5899 The University of Texas at Austin (512) 346-0835 Austin, TX 78712-1188 (512) 471-9536
mcgurrin@MITRE.ARPA (Michael Mcgurrin) (12/19/86)
My vote, which I've passed along to Rich, is that a separate mailing should be set up. That way those who don't want them won't have to wade through them, but I'll have skimmed through once so I know what's there and then have them filed away (something I won't do it I have to FTP them). I'm not a developer, but a lot of hackers (in the true, original sense of the word) will find the notes useful, even though applications users generally would not. I confess to ignorance on network (rather than mailbox) capacity and utilization. If this is a real problem storing them somewhere may be the only answer. Otherwise I think a separate mailing list is the best solution for everyone.
ugbinns@sunybcs.UUCP (Leonard Binns) (12/20/86)
YES -- Post them !!
keeshu@nikhefk.UUCP (Kees Huyser) (12/20/86)
In article <12263945935.96.MLY.G.POGO@OZ.AI.MIT.EDU> Mly.G.Pogo%OZ.AI.MIT.EDU@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU (Bob Soron) writes: > >You folks are either missing or ignoring an important point. Mac tech >notes are not posted to the net. They are put in the directory at Sumex-Aim, >where they are available to anyone who wants them without clogging the >nets up with a substantial amount of needless text. I am receiving them, >even though I don't want them; this is therefore unwanted traffic on the >nets and unwanted junk in my mail file and disk space allotment here. But >if I don't want to receive them, I'd have to leave the Info-Apple mailing >list. > >Are the people who voted to send the tech notes out on the nets to >everyone actually developers? Or is it just curiosity that'll fade >after a week or two? Is their interest so urgent that they can't >take the time to FTP them from a directory? > >Bob > >------- What Bob forgets, is that not everyone has access to SUMEX-AIM, not can everyone FTP. If you are not on ARPA, but on Usenet, you cannot FTP. I am on Usenet, therefore I want them posted on Usenet. If the general feeling is *not* to post them, maybe Bob would like to mail them to me? Another thing Bob mentions, is that the MacTechNotes are not posted. This is not true. I have seen almost all MacTechnotes posted on the Net, not by Apple but by a friendly user who was kind enough to share with those of us who can't FTP. -- | Kees Huyser | UUCP : keeshu@nikhefk.uucp or : {[wherever]!seismo}!mcvax!nikhefk!keeshu | BITNET : U00212@hasara5.bitnet | FIDO via unix : {decvax}!vaxine!spark!500!11!kees_huyser | FIDO via fido : kees huyser at net 500 node 11
iadt3tb@gitpyr.gatech.EDU (T. Terrell Banks) (12/22/86)
In article <12263945935.96.MLY.G.POGO@OZ.AI.MIT.EDU> Mly.G.Pogo%OZ.AI.MIT.EDU@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU (Bob Soron) writes: > >notes are not posted to the net. They are put in the directory at Sumex-Aim, -------------- lines deleted ------------------ >Are the people who voted to send the tech notes out on the nets to >everyone actually developers? Or is it just curiosity that'll fade >after a week or two? Is their interest so urgent that they can't >take the time to FTP them from a directory? > >Bob > >------- Bob, I thought the net was a place to learn new things and/or learn more about things I now know a little about. I think curiosity is OK. My main point, however, is that a lot of us cannot (either because of rules and regulations or physical machine setup) do an FTP transfer. I vote to post them. Thanks, Terry Banks T. Terrell Banks Georgia Insitute of Technology Information Systems and Applications 190 Third Street NW Atlanta Georgia, 30332 Internet: iadt3tb@pyr.gatech.edu uucp: ...!{akgua,ihnp4,hplabs,seismo}!gatech!gitpyr!iadt3tb Bitnet: iadt3tb@gitvm1
mikec@tekred.UUCP (Mike Combs) (12/22/86)
Tech notes are available from the Apple Programmer's and Developer's Association (APDA). You can order the complete 1985 set of Apple // Tech notes on paper for $25.00. You can get them on single sided Macintosh diskettes for $20.00. The 1986 updates (and 87) can be mailed to you automatically, bimonthly, on paper ($25.00) or diskette ($40.00). APDA membership is only $20.00/year. They are a complete resource for developer's tools and publications. The total cost, to get all the tech notes to date, with APDA membership, is only $70.00. It is much cheaper for those who are REALLY interested in getting these to order them, than to post them on the net and have them shipped to every site on the planet. You would also get the notes right away; posting all the tech notes to date is going to take a while. Please don't post the tech notes here. But if you do, put something consistent in front of them, like TN, so I can put it in my kill file and don't have to read them all the time. APDA, 290 SW 43rd Street, Renton, WA 98055 206/251-6548 Disclaimer: I'm not working for APDA, ok? Really. D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D The cost ($45) to get all of the tech notes for
tim@ism780c.UUCP (Tim Smith) (12/23/86)
> Mac tech notes are not posted to the net.
Mac tech notes are being posted to mod.mac.binaries, which was part of
the net the last time I checked :-)
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Delphi or GEnie: mnementhlarry@pdn.UUCP (01/08/87)
In article <2826@gitpyr.gatech.EDU>, iadt3tb@gitpyr.UUCP writes: > I thought the net was a place to learn new things and/or learn > more about things I now know a little about. I think curiosity is OK. > My main point, however, is that a lot of us cannot (either because > of rules and regulations or physical machine setup) do an FTP transfer. > I vote to post them. > > Thanks, > Terry Banks Speaking as an interested net reader, and as one who cannot do an FTP transfer, I agree. Unless someone can offer a reasonably convenient alternative, I say again, please post them. Thanks in advance. ----------------------- Larry Swift
Bruce_Kahn@maytag.ceo.dg.COM (03/30/88)
Can anyone out here tell me where (or if) I can get copies of all
Apple Tech Notes? If someone can net them to me I would appreciate
it (or I can FTP to get them if necessary). Thanks in advance.
Bruce
(Kahn@adam.dg.com)wack@udel.EDU (09/28/89)
Are the Apple II tech notes available via ftp in MacWrite format? Printing them out in ASCII is a drag when you have access to a laser printer. (For those who want to shoot me for mentioning a Mac product in this group I'd be happy to get the tech notes in Tex or LaTex format but I thought that was a little too much to ask!) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew Wack Gravitation cannot be held responsible ARPA : wack@udel.edu for people falling in love -- Albert Einstein -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew Wack Gravitation cannot be held responsible ARPA : wack@udel.edu for people falling in love -- Albert Einstein
mjohnson@Apple.COM (Mark B. Johnson) (09/28/89)
In article <24959@louie.udel.EDU> wack@udel.EDU () writes: >Are the Apple II tech notes available via ftp in MacWrite format? Printing >them out in ASCII is a drag when you have access to a laser printer. > Apple II Technical Notes and File Type Notes are available ONLY in ASCII format. They are NOT produced in MacWrite, so they are not available in MacWrite. We are, however, looking into more interesting ways of distributing them electronically, so keep your eyes and ears to the ground. -- Mark B. Johnson AppleLink: mjohnson Developer Technical Support domain: mjohnson@Apple.com Apple Computer, Inc. UUCP: {amdahl,decwrl,sun,unisoft}!apple!mjohnson "You gave your life to become the person you are right now. Was it worth it?" - Richard Bach, _One_
mmunz@pro-beagle.cts.com (Mark Munz) (09/29/89)
Network Comment: to #11002 by mjohnson@apple.com -> Apple II Technical Notes and File Type Notes are available ONLY in ASCI -> format. They are NOT produced in MacWrite, so they are not available i -> MacWrite. We are, however, looking into more interesting ways of -> distributing them electronically, so keep your eyes and ears to the gro How about in trusty AppleWorks Word Processor Format!! If folks don't have AppleWorks, there are half a dozen AWP veiwer/printer programs available. --Mark Munz
samt@pro-europa.cts.com (Sam Theis) (09/29/89)
Comment to message from: mjohnson@apple.com (Mark B. Johnson) Mark B. Johnson, Apple Computer DTS writes in a message: > Apple II Technical Notes and File Type Notes are available ONLY in ASCII > format. They are NOT produced in MacWrite, so they are not available in > MacWrite. We are, however, looking into more interesting ways of > distributing them electronically, so keep your eyes and ears to the ground. Heck, Mark, I'd settle for a method of distributing electronically that was a little more effecient. It doesn't have to be more interesting, but I would like to get them in less than 6 months. The July Tech notes aren't available thru AppleLink/America Online, etc. yet. It's already time for the September notes. Sam UUCP: crash!pro-europa!samt ARPA: crash!pro-europa!samt@nosc.mil INET: samt@pro-europa.cts.com
rich@pro-exchange.cts.com (Rich Sims) (09/30/89)
Comment to message from: mmunz@pro-beagle.cts.com (Mark Munz) > How about in trusty AppleWorks Word Processor Format!! If folks don't have > AppleWorks, there are half a dozen AWP veiwer/printer programs available. Yeah, but there are a *LOT* more "ASCII text file viewers".....
sschneider@pro-exchange.cts.com (The RainForest BBS) (09/30/89)
Comment to message from: mjohnson@apple.com (Mark B. Johnson) Mark... I would think that ASCII is the =MOST= computer-CPU- compatible way to distribute =ANY= text file since almost ALL computers allow the import of ASCII files to a readable condition. <Read this as if the MAC is so damned "special" to Apple (and the //e and lower are not any more) then the MAC damned well better be able to "read" straight text!> /steve ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | UUCP: crash!pro-exchange!sschneider COMPU$ERVE : 75166,2544 | | ARPA: crash!pro-exchange!sschneider@nosc.mil GENIE : sschneider | | INET: sschneider@pro-exchange.cts.com * My son is a Georgia Tech freshman | | I work for Xerox Corporation for decent bucks but dream of Palto Alto RC | | The RainForest @ 305-434-4927 / PO Box 841422, Pembroke Pines, Fl, 33084 | -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
lvirden@pro-tcc.UUCP (Larry Virden) (09/30/89)
Network Comment: to #518 by mjohnson@apple.com Hold on here! I am confused. Just a week or so ago, someone, I thought from Apple, was explaining why it took so long to get tech notes out to folks - or was that over on Aline? Anyways, the explanation went that first the Apple II tech notes were written in MacWrite and had graphics installed. Then when folks were happen, those notes were sent on disk to APDA for printing and soft disk distribution. Then, the technotes had to be converted to ASCII text and graphics for ftp and upload purposes. Now we are told that technotes are NEVER done in MacWrite. I am confused.
mmunz@pro-beagle.cts.com (Mark Munz) (10/02/89)
Network Comment: to #11115 by rich@pro-exchange.cts.com > > How about in trusty AppleWorks Word Processor Format!! If folks don't > > AppleWorks, there are half a dozen AWP veiwer/printer programs availab > > Yeah, but there are a *LOT* more "ASCII text file viewers"..... It sounds like a lot of people are asking for Tech note info so they can access it with other (non-II) machines. I believe that the current format is Ascii. And printing it out nice and pretty is a real pain for me. I know that AppleWorks is popular (just look at its sales) and almost everything uploaded come with AppleWorks format docs. --Mark Munz
mjohnson@Apple.COM (Mark B. Johnson) (10/02/89)
In article <8909282317.AA12328@trout.nosc.mil> mmunz@pro-beagle.cts.com (Mark Munz) writes: >How about in trusty AppleWorks Word Processor Format!! If folks don't have >AppleWorks, there are half a dozen AWP veiwer/printer programs available. > Not likely. Even AW limits the audience, and it would be unfair to other WP developers to favor a Claris product, especially when the advantage over straight ASCII text is minimal at best. -- Mark B. Johnson AppleLink: mjohnson Developer Technical Support domain: mjohnson@Apple.com Apple Computer, Inc. UUCP: {amdahl,decwrl,sun,unisoft}!apple!mjohnson "You gave your life to become the person you are right now. Was it worth it?" - Richard Bach, _One_
mjohnson@Apple.COM (Mark B. Johnson) (10/02/89)
In article <8909300944.AA10542@trout.nosc.mil> lvirden@pro-tcc.UUCP (Larry Virden) writes: > >Hold on here! I am confused. Just a week or so ago, someone, I thought >from Apple, was explaining why it took so long to get tech notes out to >folks - or was that over on Aline? Anyways, the explanation went that >first the Apple II tech notes were written in MacWrite and had graphics >installed. Then when folks were happen, those notes were sent on disk to >APDA for printing and soft disk distribution. Then, the technotes had >to be converted to ASCII text and graphics for ftp and upload purposes. > >Now we are told that technotes are NEVER done in MacWrite. > Let us just say that Technical Notes are done in a word processor on the Macintosh. That word processor is not MacWrite. End of story. APDA receives printed copies as soon as the release is done. They get disk files when we get them converted to ASCII and formatted for Prodos. This is usually within the first two weeks of the month the Notes are dated, but this is not always the case, as you well know. As soon as the ASCII files are done, I upload them to AppleLink (Apple version) and the Apple FTP site. Distribution to other electronic channels follows. I hope this helps to clarify the situation. -- Mark B. Johnson AppleLink: mjohnson Developer Technical Support domain: mjohnson@Apple.com Apple Computer, Inc. UUCP: {amdahl,decwrl,sun,unisoft}!apple!mjohnson "You gave your life to become the person you are right now. Was it worth it?" - Richard Bach, _One_
mjohnson@Apple.COM (Mark B. Johnson) (10/02/89)
In article <8909300655.AA06933@trout.nosc.mil> samt@pro-europa.cts.com (Sam Theis) writes: > >Heck, Mark, I'd settle for a method of distributing electronically that was a >little more effecient. It doesn't have to be more interesting, but I would >like to get them in less than 6 months. The July Tech notes aren't available >thru AppleLink/America Online, etc. yet. It's already time for the September >notes. The ASCII Notes are always available on AppleLink (Apple version, not America Online) and the Apple FTP site AS SOON AS THEY ARE CONVERTED. Except for other archive sites on the net (i.e., Brown, Kentucky, Harvard, Michigan, etc., all other electronic sites receive the Notes on floppy disk. The duplication and mailing of these disks is out of my control. So is whether or not the sysops of the different systems contact us when they do not receive the disks on time. We do NOT have the time to track down all of these disks and systems. AppleLink and the Apple FTP sites are the ONLY sites I can guarantee the time on. If you have access to this newsgroup, they you probably can get to Apple.com or at least get on the apple2-l list at brown. -- Mark B. Johnson AppleLink: mjohnson Developer Technical Support domain: mjohnson@Apple.com Apple Computer, Inc. UUCP: {amdahl,decwrl,sun,unisoft}!apple!mjohnson "You gave your life to become the person you are right now. Was it worth it?" - Richard Bach, _One_
mjohnson@Apple.COM (Mark B. Johnson) (10/02/89)
In article <8909301119.AA12102@trout.nosc.mil> sschneider@pro-exchange.cts.com (The RainForest BBS) writes: >I would think that ASCII is the =MOST= computer-CPU- compatible way to >distribute =ANY= text file since almost ALL computers allow the import of >ASCII files to a readable condition. <Read this as if the MAC is so damned >"special" to Apple (and the //e and lower are not any more) then the MAC >damned well better be able to "read" straight text!> If the II line was not important to Apple, then I can promise you that I would not spend nights and weekends converting the files to ASCII for distribution on the Apple II. If we were that biased in DTS, you would find the Notes distributed in a Macintosh word processor format as they used to be before the November 1988 revisions. Enough said! -- Mark B. Johnson AppleLink: mjohnson Developer Technical Support domain: mjohnson@Apple.com Apple Computer, Inc. UUCP: {amdahl,decwrl,sun,unisoft}!apple!mjohnson "You gave your life to become the person you are right now. Was it worth it?" - Richard Bach, _One_
MMPR004@ECNCDC.BITNET (Scott Hutinger) (10/02/89)
I don't know what the fuss seems to be. I noticed that Apple II technotes are online weeks before the Mac technotes. Warning: this was only one observation. scott hutinger mmpr004@ecncdc.bitnet
ALBRO@NIEHS.BITNET (10/03/89)
The original question was concerned with the delays in releasing the AppleII technotes, and now the discussion has shifted to the AppleII word processor format. Regardless of the format, the delay would be the same. If it is _necessary_ to write Apple II technotes on a Mac (Why??), why can't you use a Mac wordprocessor that has a 'Print to ASCII File on Disk' option?? That should save two weeks. So you would have to skip the pictures - you're doing that now anyway.
bsherman@ibiza.cs.miami.edu (Bob Sherman) (10/03/89)
Not too long ago, the only way to obtain Apple II TechNotes was from APDA on MAC formatted disks.. Mark Johnson has done a lot to help us get the TechNotes in Apple II readable fashion on disk, and from various electronic sources in ASCII format, and I think we should be thanking Mark for his efforts, not looking a gift hourse in the mouth, and badgering him. ASCII is pretty much a universal format that lets everyone use the files in whatever application they desire. If you want them to be in AW format, just import them and presto, they are in AW format. If you need them in some obscure format that will not convert from ASCII, simple, just subscribe to the paper version and type them in using your own format.. Keep up the good work Mark, some of us do APPRECIATE your efforts. bsherman@ibiza.cs.miami.edu or bsherman@mthvax.cs.miami.edu bsherman@pro-exchange MCI Mail: BSHERMAN
mmunz@pro-beagle.cts.com (Mark Munz) (10/03/89)
Network Comment: to #11165 by mjohnson@apple.com > >How about in trusty AppleWorks Word Processor Format!! If folks don't h > >AppleWorks, there are half a dozen AWP veiwer/printer programs availabl > > > Not likely. Even AW limits the audience, and it would be unfair to othe > WP developers to favor a Claris product, especially when the advantage o > straight ASCII text is minimal at best. Since Technotes are already available in Ascii format, why change.. Sure, AWP (a standard format) lets you do things like centering, indenting, etc without regard to CPI and such. So if I wanted to squeeze 2 technotes on one page by changing the CPI to 17 and Lines per inch to 8, I could. Or if I wanted to change the size of the technote header to 8 CPI, etc. I could. With good ol' Ascii, you get CR's at the end of each line, and that nifty SPACE formatting.. You know, where everything has spaces between it. Indent.. sure, just put 3 spaces before each line. What, you want to indent more than 3, you'll have to do that by hand. Paragraphs? What's that? While using AWP format would favor a Claris product, it would not mean that folks would have to use that Claris product. As I said, there are at least a half a dozen AWP file viewers that folks can get at no cost. And because AWP is accepted as a standard, almost every word processor supports importing from AppleWorks. --Mark Munz
mmunz@pro-beagle.cts.com (Mark Munz) (10/03/89)
Network Comment: to #11201 by ALBRO%NIEHS.BITNET@cornellc.cit.cornell.edu > The original question was concerned with the delays in releasing the App > technotes, and now the discussion has shifted to the AppleII word proces > format. Regardless of the format, the delay would be the same. If it i I (the one who got the discussion over to formats) must have misread the original message. Shows you what one goof will do. > _necessary_ to write Apple II technotes on a Mac (Why??), why can't you > a Mac wordprocessor that has a 'Print to ASCII File on Disk' option?? T > should save two weeks. So you would have to skip the pctures - you're > that now anyway. I wonder what Word Processor they are using that will not let them save the file as Ascii to disk. Most Mac WP programs that I know of have that option, and some even have the option to save to a variety of formats. There must be something else.. --Mark Munz
mjohnson@Apple.COM (Mark B. Johnson) (10/04/89)
In article <8910021343.aa00981@SMOKE.BRL.MIL> ALBRO@NIEHS.BITNET writes: >The original question was concerned with the delays in releasing the AppleII >technotes, and now the discussion has shifted to the AppleII word processor >format. Regardless of the format, the delay would be the same. If it is >_necessary_ to write Apple II technotes on a Mac (Why??), why can't you use >a Mac wordprocessor that has a 'Print to ASCII File on Disk' option?? That >should save two weeks. So you would have to skip the pictures - you're doing >that now anyway. Show me a solid word processor on the Apple II that can do what most of the high-end word processors on the Mac do, at the same speed or better, dealing with the graphics and volume we do and I would consider using it. Because no such beast exists (my opinion here) the work is done on a Mac (which also provides consistency between the two platforms). We do print to a TEXT file, but that doesn't take care of non-printable characters or formatting for a nice format on the Apple II. This has to be done with a combination of scripts and hand tweaking. As for the graphics, I beg to differ. You will find that ALL Apple II Notes contain the graphics converted to ASCII format. -- Mark B. Johnson AppleLink: mjohnson Developer Technical Support domain: mjohnson@Apple.com Apple Computer, Inc. UUCP: {amdahl,decwrl,sun,unisoft}!apple!mjohnson "You gave your life to become the person you are right now. Was it worth it?" - Richard Bach, _One_
ALBRO@NIEHS.BITNET (10/04/89)
From: IN%"Info-Apple@BRL.MIL" 4-OCT-1989 00:05:06.83 To: Phil Albro <ALBRO@NIEHS.BITNET> CC: Subj: Re: Apple Technotes >In article <8910021343.aa00981@SMOKE.BRL.MIL> ALBRO@NIEHS.BITNET writes: >>The original question was concerned with the delays in releasing the AppleII >>technotes, and now the discussion has shifted to the AppleII word processor >>format. Regardless of the format, the delay would be the same. If it is >>_necessary_ to write Apple II technotes on a Mac (Why??), why can't you use >>a Mac wordprocessor that has a 'Print to ASCII File on Disk' option?? That >>should save two weeks. So you would have to skip the pictures - you're doing >>that now anyway. >Show me a solid word processor on the Apple II that can do what most of the >high-end word processors on the Mac do, at the same speed or better, dealing >with the graphics and volume we do and I would consider using it. Because >no such beast exists (my opinion here) the work is done on a Mac (which also >provides consistency between the two platforms). >We do print to a TEXT file, but that doesn't take care of non-printable >characters or formatting for a nice format on the Apple II. This has to be >done with a combination of scripts and hand tweaking. As for the graphics, >I beg to differ. You will find that ALL Apple II Notes contain the graphics >converted to ASCII format. - Mark B. Johnson AppleLink: mjohnson Developer Technical Support domain: mjohnson@Apple.com Apple Computer, Inc. UUCP: {amdahl,decwrl,sun,unisoft}!apple!mjohnson It sounds like you SAVE to a text file. If you PRINT to one, there aren't any unprintable characters in there, and tabs are expanded with spaces, retaining the formatting. You may differ, but I have a whole bunch of Apple II tech notes marked something to the effect "Figures deleted - available in MacDraw format separately". - Phil Albro- ALBRO@NIEHS.BITNET
dlyons@Apple.COM (David Lyons) (10/06/89)
In article <8910042114.aa06338@ADM.BRL.MIL> ALBRO@NIEHS.BITNET writes: >[...] >You may differ, but I have a whole bunch of Apple II tech notes marked >something to the effect "Figures deleted - available in MacDraw format >separately". > >- Phil Albro- Your technotes are out of date! Since the text-only versions of the technotes are within my electronic reach right now, I did a little test: cd ~ftp/pub/dts/aii/tn and then grep MacDraw */* Guess what: "MacDraw" occurs zero times in the current Apple II technical notes. The word "Figure" occurs 109 times (grep Figure */* | wc -l), and none of those were in the context of "figure deleted." I did some spot checks and found lots of actual figures, drawn with ASCII characters. (Some of them look like Mark Johnson had -tons- of fun creating them, too. :-) -- --Dave Lyons, Apple Computer, Inc. | DAL Systems AppleLink--Apple Edition: DAVE.LYONS | P.O. Box 875 America Online: Dave Lyons | Cupertino, CA 95015-0875 GEnie: D.LYONS2 or DAVE.LYONS CompuServe: 72177,3233 Internet/BITNET: dlyons@apple.com UUCP: ...!ames!apple!dlyons My opinions are my own, not Apple's.
mjohnson@Apple.COM (Mark B. Johnson) (10/07/89)
In article <8910042114.aa06338@ADM.BRL.MIL> ALBRO@NIEHS.BITNET writes: > >It sounds like you SAVE to a text file. If you PRINT to one, there aren't >any unprintable characters in there, and tabs are expanded with spaces, >retaining the formatting. > >You may differ, but I have a whole bunch of Apple II tech notes marked >something to the effect "Figures deleted - available in MacDraw format >separately". > Unlike many Apple II word processors, Mac versions do not offer a Print to TEXT file option; therefore, one has to do the formatting by hand. As for the Notes you have, they are out of date and should be replaced with the Notes that contain the graphics. All available from Apple2-l as well as apple.com via anonymous ftp... -- Mark B. Johnson AppleLink: mjohnson Developer Technical Support domain: mjohnson@Apple.com Apple Computer, Inc. UUCP: {amdahl,decwrl,sun,unisoft}!apple!mjohnson "You gave your life to become the person you are right now. Was it worth it?" - Richard Bach, _One_
mjohnson@Apple.COM (Mark B. Johnson) (10/07/89)
In article <35328@apple.Apple.COM> dlyons@Apple.COM (David Lyons) writes: > >I did some spot checks and found lots of actual figures, drawn with >ASCII characters. (Some of them look like Mark Johnson had -tons- >of fun creating them, too. :-) I can't take all the credit. Let's thank Jim Luther of AIIDTS fame for some of the best ASCII artwork in existance... -- Mark B. Johnson AppleLink: mjohnson Developer Technical Support domain: mjohnson@Apple.com Apple Computer, Inc. UUCP: {amdahl,decwrl,sun,unisoft}!apple!mjohnson "You gave your life to become the person you are right now. Was it worth it?" - Richard Bach, _One_