STEIN@UCONNVM.BITNET (04/08/88)
According to the April 5 issue of Macintosh Today, Apple is planning a gateway between AppleLink and Bitnet. The link is supposedly being tested until the middle of next month. Cost has not yet been determined. ARPA: stein%uconnvm.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu Alan H. Stein BITNET: STEIN@UCONNVM University of Connecticut UUCP: ...ihnp4!psuvax1!UCONNVM.BITNET!STEIN at Waterbury CompuServe: 71545,1500 Genie: ah.stein Department of Mathematics
STEIN@UCONNVM.BITNET (Alan Stein) (04/26/88)
From MacWeek, 4/26/88, p. 20, "AppleLink, BITNET tie tested": "A new gateway between AppleLink ... and BITNET is being tested ... throughout the country. "The link ... was developed by Apple to provide AppleLink and BITNET users with an electronic mail relay between the two systems. The gateway allows BITNET users to send text messages to AppleLink addresses and vice versa. "BITNET ... already has similar links to other industry networks like IBM's VNET, DEC's Easynet and Xerox's Grapevine. "...Apple is requiring potential users to submit an application and sign an agreement that their use of the mail relay will be for research and development purposes only. "The connection is not so much an AppleLink-to-Bitnet gateway as it is a connection to the academic community for Apple employees. Apple worked very hard to convince the BITNET board to allow this connection, said Ira Fuchs, VP for computing andinformation technology at Princeton University... "... for more information, contact EDUCOM at PO Box 362, Princeton, NJ 08540; (609) 520-3377." Does anyone have any details about how to connect to AppleLink?
V131Q5CG@UBVMSC.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (JT) (05/27/88)
Help! I've been trying 1-800-833-9400 for a week and there's never an
answer. Has anyone else gotten though? Is "special" software required? Thanks in
advance...
JT
Bitnet : v131q5cg@ubvms
Internet : v131q5cg@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
}:8|| <<==-- "Bull"maddie@crash.cts.com (Tom Schenck) (05/29/88)
In article <8805272318.aa06443@SMOKE.BRL.ARPA> V131Q5CG@UBVMSC.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (JT) writes: > > Help! I've been trying 1-800-833-9400 for a week and there's never an >answer. Has anyone else gotten though? Is "special" software required? Thanks in >advance... > >JT >Bitnet : v131q5cg@ubvms >Internet : v131q5cg@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu > > }:8|| <<==-- "Bull" If you are trying to call Applelink without Apple's program (Applelink) and without an account, you won't be able to get through. Last I knew, those who had access to Applelink have the program... --
halp@TCGOULD.TN.CORNELL.EDU ("Bruce P. Halpern") (05/31/88)
I too have been receiving only a non answer, NO CARRIER from the putative AppleLink number, 1-800-833-9400. Do we have the wrong number? | Bruce P. Halpern Psychology & Neurobiology & Behavior Cornell Ithaca | | INTERNET:halp@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu BITNET:D57J@CORNELLA D57J@CRNLVAX5| | UUCP:{vax135,rochester,decvax}!cornell!batcomputer!halp | | PHONE: 607-255-6433 Uris Hall, Cornell U., Ithaca, NY 14853-7601 |
shack@bucsb.UUCP (Randy Shackelford) (05/31/88)
I see from my article-reading of late that people are having trouble getting ahold of Apple/Quantum in regards to this product. After hearing my story, all of you in this situation will see that not only are you not alone in having trouble with this outfit, but you are not the worst off. Around Christmas time, certain big shots in the local user group became aware that this product would soon be available in beta form for selected people to test. Several of my friends did just that, sending in the required forms and receiving their packages containing the software and documentation after a short period. I, not wanting to miss out, had one of my buddies sign me up to test it as well, and I was assured that I would receive my software in due time. That was early February; three months later, I am still without software and have essentially given up. I did not just passively sit there waiting, however; I tried many times to get action through talking to the system administrators via email through my friend's account and talking to numerous people at AppleFest including the man in charge of the whole thing (whose name escapes me, but then again, the good it did talking to him was rather forgettable -- or negligible -- as well.) Their attitude was that "Well, gee, the beta period is almost over anyhow. Why not just wait until it is available to every Joe Blow and pay for it (overlooking the run-around and screwing royal we are giving you)?" The thing that really gets to me is that the beta testers got a special pin and several other nice considerations from the company. They fail to see that I was in effect beta-testing their blessed software along with my friends (who shall remain nameless, as technically they were violating their non-disclosure agreement; albeit unwittingly, as they as well as myself assumed I WOULD receive it, but never did.) So I get no consideration for my assistance in testing the system, since they know nothing of it. So, all you who are interested in getting involved with this system, just consider this little horror story and then decide if you wish to have any part of it.
lan@bucsb.UUCP (Larry Nathanson) (09/10/88)
Hi there!
Applelink should be out soon, and (I hope) lot's of you are
waiting to get on there.
If any of you want a netter to talk to- besides the
multitude of friends you'll make online, you can send mail
(it's real easy) to LARRYN8.
I'd really like to hear your reactions, in coming over from
plain text types of services. (Usenet, Compu$erve, etc) I
don't work for them, and I'm not offical... Just friendly :)
See you on the Link!
-Larry Nathanson
LARRYN8
-------Your average Applelinker with an empty mailbox!------suem@ihlpf.ATT.COM (Sue McKinnell) (10/18/88)
I've not seen much traffic on AppleLink. Has anyone else tried it? I took advantage of the free offer Apple sent to user groups and signed up as the local club ambassador. So far I've found several annoyances about the system and I'm still trying to figure out what it gains me (I've only used it for 45 minutes beyond the original sign-on). I have one question, however, about the set up procedure: the manual tells you to set *both* the modem and printer ports to buffered and turn off the handshake modes. Does anyone know why I am suppposed to mess with the printer port? I have a hardware buffer in my ImageWriter II and prefer *not* to buffer printer output through control panel settings. (I'm running off a IIgs; I just realised that was not obvious.) In fact, setting the printer port to buffered messes up my output since I usually have a 0K RAMdisk set up; I only get 7 pages of printed output, presumably 64K, 128K, or whatever the default buffer size is. Anyway, I tried running with the printer port set back to the default settings (which is what works fine with my setup) and AppleLink seemed to work OK, so why the specific settings in the AppleLink manual? Beyond this question, has anyone used AppleLink enough to comment on its value? I intend to use at least the free time (a club ambassador gets two free hours per month through 6/89) so I can report to my club. I can also report my impressions here if there's interest. -- Sue McKinnell ...!att!ihlpf!suem IH 6N311 x5313 "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." - George Bernard Shaw
gwyn@smoke.BRL.MIL (Doug Gwyn ) (10/18/88)
In article <6428@ihlpf.ATT.COM> suem@ihlpf.ATT.COM (Sue McKinnell) writes: >Beyond this question, has anyone used AppleLink enough to comment >on its value? Yes -- so far its main value to me has been to get reasonable responses from Apple Customer Service. Its download library is rather small at present, and the Apple Conversion Utility (why don't they use BLU?) isn't ready yet.
shawn@pnet51.cts.com (Shawn Stanley) (10/19/88)
I haven't used AppleLink yet, but I'm considering trying it out. GEnie is one
of those services that I'm afraid to use because I figure I'll use up too much
time trying to learn it, but that desktop-type environment that AppleLink is
supposed to have appeals to me because of how fast it could be to use it.
What did you think of that part of it, Sue?
UUCP: {rosevax, crash}!orbit!pnet51!shawn
INET: shawn@pnet51.cts.combh1e+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Brendan Gallagher Hoar) (10/21/88)
Apple Conversion Utility is ready (I saw it last weekend). Anyway, they want ALU because it is window based (on the text screen). As far as I can tell, though, they still have only implemented Huffman encoding. Oh well Brendan G. Hoar
mmcnew@pro-freedom.cts.com (Monty McNew) (10/24/88)
In defense of AppleLink PE: I am not going to attempt to quote all the bashing by people about AppleLink. I can say though (if anyone is thinking about signing up for it) that most of the comments thrown about are totally false. I would heartily recommend that anyone thinking about signing up for AppleLink do so. It is absolutely great. Some negative comments I have noticed were: 1. Inability to make ACU work after downloading. Myself I had no trouble whatsoever. As I downloaded it I read the info file on each segment, followed directions and it worked first time. It is a very nice utility. (BTW, I am using the IIgs version). 2. Having to give checking account and/or credit card numbers to get on (even with free time offered) As far as I know, I had to do the same to get onto GEnie and Compuserve. I am not worried about it. I am still using free time and have not been indavertantly billed yet. 3. Windows are not done correctly (like Mousetalk). The windows CAN'T be done correctly because everything in a Window comes FROM the host system, not the terminal program. I must admit that it WAS a little disconcerting at first that you have to double click on a menu item to get the window to fall open, but I soon got used to it. Let me put it this way. I like AppleLink so much I no longer use my GEnie or Compuserve accounts. AppleLink is FAR easier to use, you can move around MUCH faster in it. Flash notes are a blast. The benefits _FAR_ outweigh using your stock terminal program on any of the other services. Compuserve costs too much anyway. 5. Can't call with any other brand (laptops while traveling) Yes, that would be a nice feature. Perhaps it will happen in the future. Apple MUST have a laptop in the lineup someday :) Oh well, that's about it. No Flames please. I find AppleLink very easy to use. I recommend it above any other service to anyone who asks. Libraries are filling up fast and the catagories are extensive. AppleLink isn't perfect, but dollar for dollar as the system matures, you are going to get a lot more out of AppleLink than the others. It's a lot more 'perfect' than other pay services if you own an Apple. PS: I do not work for Apple nor am I a Forum Leader at AppleLink. I do not work for Quantum. I _DID_ beta test the system through the free offer Apple sent our user group. I am not a hacker, just a user. I have loved AppleLink from first log-on. It's the best pay service available if you own an Apple II (I should say enhanced //e on up). I will no longer call either GEnie or Compuserve unless I take an extensive interest in my IBM clone for some reason (which I doubt will happen real soon). If you call AppleLink, send mail to MontyM1 (think I'll add that to my .sig)! Monty McNew __ __________ __________ __________ __________ __________ __________ __ ]__[__________][__________][__________][__________][__________][__________]__[ | | UUCP: crash!pro-freedom!mmcnew Freedom Board "What's behind | | |||| ProLine: mmcnew@pro-freedom |1|206 699-4477|9| me is not |||| |||| ------------------------------- |0| 3/12/2400 |8| important!" |||| |||| \|/ Alien Invasion Landing Site: |M| Apple*Van |6| --- |||| |||| {o o} |E| PO Box 2221 |6| The |||| |||| \=/ AILS: 45 37 N / 122 36 W |G|Vancouver, WA|3| Gumball Rally |||| |__|__________ __________ __________ __________ __________ __________|__| ]__[__________][__________][__________][__________][__________][__________]__[
nuwilken@ndsuvax.UUCP (Scott Wilken) (03/02/89)
Could someone please mail me some information on this network? No one around
here seems to know much about it, and I am interested in subscribing.
I need some info on hourly rates, services offered, sign-up fee, and how I
can actually subscribe.
Thanks in advance.
Scott Wilken
uunet!ndsuvax!nuwilken nuwilken@ndsuvax.bitnet nu145091@ndsuvm1.bitnet
S.WILKEN1 on GEniejschober@gnh-starport.UUCP (Joey Schober) (03/06/89)
Scott Wilken <pnet01!crash!cunyvm.cuny.edu!ndsuvm1!ndsuvax!nuwilken> writes: >> Could someone please mail me some information on this network? No one >> around here seems to know much about it, and I am interested in subscribing. >> >> I need some info on hourly rates, services offered, sign-up fee, and how I >> can actually subscribe. Sure! I'll handle the bottom part first; the description and is-it-worth-it is a little more complex. The sign-up fee for ALPE (AppleLink Personal Edition) is $35. That includes the program disk (3.5" and 5.25" versions), a nice, complete manual, 2 free hours of time, and a one year subscription. After that, on-line time is $6/hr (3/12/2400 baud, evenings [6 pm - 7 am, your local time], all day weekends and certain holidays), and $15/hr prime time [7 am - 6 pm local]. Access is through Telenet or Tymnet, but charges for those services are included in the hourly charge. There's also a charge of $35 a year, every year (12 months after you sign up, etc...). You also get a sharp lookin' magazine (AppleLink Update) monthly. The startup kit is available at any authorized APPLE dealer. (No, not just any software store, but an Apple dealership...). Or, call 1-800-545-5047x5107 for a "trial kit". (Look in any A+ for the ad...) Now... services offered. The system is split into 2 distinct areas: General Services and Apple Community. General Services has People Connection (on-line chat rooms, contests, chit-chat message boards), Financial District, The Mall, Customer Service, Learning Center, Recreation Center, and Club House (non-tech special interest groups). The names are pretty self-explanatory. The Apple Community is the tech section -- Apple Forums (Hardware, Development, AppleWorks, Music/Sound, Art/Graphics, Games, Communications, Utilities, Productivity, Word Processing, CP/M, and Education), Industry Connection (links to major software and hardware companies), Apple University (courses on Apple related subjects), Software Center, Calendar and Events, Apple Headquarters (Talk to Apple, New Products, Press Releases, etc...), and a couple other things. I'm running out of time; I could run on forever with my own opinions on any or all of the sections. The technical forums, however, are superb; seems that not a question goes unanswered around there. If you're a developer, the resources are terrific. Even if you're not a developer, you're sure to learn tons of interesting stuff. I personally consider it well worth it, especially for the price. ($6/hr at 2400 baud is nice...). Hope that helps! Joseph Schober... InterNet: gnh-starport!jschober@pro-novapple.cts.com * Sent by StarPort BBS at 3/ 6/89 10:47:36 PM
WILLY@BUCLLN11.BITNET (Willy Trappeniers) (04/03/89)
Could anyone tell me, if it is possible, how to contact directly from BitNet
somebody on the AppleLink network. I was looking for a gateway, but never found
one. Does Apple have an other possibility to get in contact with them by BitNet
Much appreciated and
thanks in advance.
Willy Trappeniers <WILLY@BUCLLN11>
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Tel. : +32 (10) 47.36.95 Smail : U.C.L - GERU
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Bit : <WILLY@BUCLLN11.Bitnet> Belgium
Acknowledge-To: <WILLY@BUCLLN11>mithomas@bsu-cs.UUCP (Michael Thomas Niehaus) (04/04/89)
In article <8904031026.aa19210@SMOKE.BRL.MIL>, WILLY@BUCLLN11.BITNET (Willy Trappeniers) writes: > Could anyone tell me, if it is possible, how to contact directly from BitNet > somebody on the AppleLink network... You can contact someone on AppleLink from Bitnet by sending a message to: user@applelink.apple.com Note that this is an internet address; I don't know of the actual Bitnet address. Hopefully your mailer is smart enough to expand this to the right path (mine is -- I am on UUCP only). If you want to give it a try, send me a message at: ST0374@applelink.apple.com Please, don't bury me in messages. Only do this if you want to know if it works from your site. (I'm only allowed so much time on AppleLink.) -Michael -- Michael Niehaus UUCP: <backbones>!{iuvax,pur-ee}!bsu-cs!mithomas Apple Student Rep ARPA: mithomas@bsu-cs.bsu.edu Ball State University AppleLink: ST0374 (from UUCP: st0374@applelink.apple.com)
farrier@Apple.COM (Cary Farrier) (04/04/89)
In article <8904031026.aa19210@SMOKE.BRL.MIL> WILLY@BUCLLN11.BITNET (Willy Trappeniers) writes: >Could anyone tell me, if it is possible, how to contact directly from BitNet >somebody on the AppleLink network. I was looking for a gateway, but never found (name)%applelink@Apple.Com I think. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | This message does in no way reflect the views or opinions of | | any organization. In fact, they illustrate just how | | disorganized things really are. | +----------------------------------------------------------------+
SEWALL@UCONNVM.BITNET (Murph Sewall) (04/04/89)
>Could anyone tell me, if it is possible, how to contact directly from BitNet >somebody on the AppleLink network. I was looking for a gateway, but never >found one. This is bound to come up now and then because it's SOooo non-standard. The "official" gateway for BITNET is to: Send email to: XB.DAS@STANFORD Subject: user@APPLELINK <text of message> Weird huh?! (but it DOES work). user%Applelink@Apple.COM will work, but it's a violation of proper administrative procedure. Given the oddball nature of the DASNET gateway, it's hard to be sympathetic about administrative rules. The DASNET gateway was introduced as an "experiment" (I wonder if anyone plans to draw any conclusions about its utility) before Apple was granted an Internet connection. Murph Sewall Vaporware? ---> [Gary Larson returns 1/1/90] Prof. of Marketing Sewall@UConnVM.BITNET Business School sewall%uconnvm.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu [INTERNET] U of Connecticut {psuvax1 or mcvax }!UCONNVM.BITNET!SEWALL [UUCP] -+- I don't speak for my employer, though I frequently wish that I could (subject to change without notice; void where prohibited) According to the American Facsimile Association, more than half the calls from Japan to the U.S. are fax calls. FAX it to me at: 1-203-486-5246
lbotez@pro-sol.cts.com (Lynda Botez) (06/28/89)
Seems like most people have problems running the Applelink software because they don't read the manual very carefully. In order to loggon to Applelink, you have to reconfigure your control panel (it's in the docs)... otherwise the software hangs on you. I always thought this was rediculous, but that's the way it is. Lynda
paul@pro-europa.cts.com (Paul Hutmacher) (07/02/89)
Comment to message from: pnet01!crash!pro-sol.cts.com!lbotez (Lynda Botez) > In order to loggon to Applelink, you have to reconfigure your control panel > (it's in the docs)... otherwise the software hangs on you. I always thought > this was rediculous, but that's the way it is. This is more than rediculous, it is shoddy programming. Everything else I use that uses my modem port sets it the way it wants it and moves on. Even if I don't use my printer my software hangs unless I modify the control panel. Furthermore, I'm still waiting for a GS version of the software that works on my hard drive. The last version they shipped to me had some bad blocks on it. The previous version would not run from a hard drive. And, since I'm on a roll, I'm still waiting on my t-shirt and my gold keychain. ______________________________________________________________________________ paul@pro-europa.cts.com | "Open the pod bay door HAL" ...!crash!pnet01!pro-nsfmat!pro-europa!paul | "Sorry Dave, I can't do that"
edward@pro-harvest.UUCP (Edward Floden) (07/03/89)
Comment to message from: obsolete!pro-angmar!pro-europa!paul (Paul Hutmacher) Several (hundred?) copies of the latest update to the AppleLink PE software had some bad blocks on the disk, due to a problem with the duplicator, or so I was told by Quantum. I sent a message to Customer Service, describing the problem, and I received a new disk the next week, which did not contain any bad blocks. The bad blocks, on my copy at least, occurred in some of the Appletalk files. I just copied the files that I needed, and ignored the rest, and ALPE is running fine from my hard drive. When you copy the new files, don't bother with anything in the SYSTEM/ directory; you should already have those files installed on your hard drive. __________________________________________________________________________ ProLine: edward@pro-harvest UUCP: crash!pro-harvest!edward ARPA: crash!pro-harvest!edward@nosc.mil InterNet: edward@pro-harvest.cts.com
dales@pro-novapple.UUCP (Dale Smith) (07/03/89)
Network Comment: to #7265 by obsolete!pro-angmar!pro-europa!paul > This is more than rediculous, it is shoddy programming. Everything else > I use that uses my modem port sets it the way it wants it and moves on. > Even if I don't use my printer my software hangs unless I modify the > control panel. I couldn't agree more on the quality of the programming. However I have discovered that it is not necessary for me to do anything with the Printer Port settings in the Control Panel. The Applelink software runs fine with two caveats: you must make the Modem Port settings, and you must do the equivalent of an ATZ or powerup on the modem so that the init that I use with ProTERM is not in effect - failing to do either of those will hang the Applelink software. [Other possibly relevant conditions regarding my useage: I don't use the GS version; I use the 8-bit version || I don't do any printing with the AppleLink software.] I find this combination necessary so as not to interfer with the use of my other programs, like ProTERM which are far more useful. Question for anyone: Do I have a problem lurking unseen in the background with such a setup?? proline: pro-novapple!dales uucp: crash!pro-novapple!dales arpa: crash!pro-novapple!dales@nosc.mil Internet: dales@pro-novapple.cts.com
paul@pro-europa.cts.com (Paul Hutmacher) (07/06/89)
Comment to message from: pnet01!crash!apple.com!dlyons (David Lyons) > Are we all talking about the same thing here? > > AppleLink--Personal Edition does not require me to make any control panel > changes on my Apple IIgs. Possibly this is just because my standard settings > were already what it wanted. Which settings are you guys saying need to be > changed? Yes we are. ALPE requires the printer port settings to change from the default settings to the following: Buffering Yes DCD Handshake No DSR/DTR Handshake No This is not the way I like my IIgs to run when I'm not on ALPE. I'd leave it this way but for some reason it tends to hang and print garbage if I do. Therefore, I launch the eight bit version of ALPE (the sixteen bit version will not run from my CMS for some reaon) and it hangs after the title screen. Then I reboot and set the control panel the way it likes it and re-launch the ALPE stuff. I really wouldn't mind it except it won't work with other stuff unless I reset it back to the default positions. As an aside, I'm still waiting for my working IIgs version of software, my t-shirt, and my gold key chain :) ______________________________________________________________________________ paul@pro-europa.cts.com | "Open the pod bay door HAL" ...!crash!pnet01!pro-nsfmat!pro-europa!paul | "Sorry Dave, I can't do that"
dlyons@Apple.COM (David Lyons) (08/08/89)
In article <8907020536.AA00288@crash.cts.com> pnet01!pro-nsfmat!pro-europa!paul@nosc.mil writes: >Comment to message from: pnet01!crash!pro-sol.cts.com!lbotez (Lynda Botez) > >> In order to loggon to Applelink, you have to reconfigure your control panel >> (it's in the docs)... otherwise the software hangs on you. I always thought >> this was rediculous, but that's the way it is. > >This is more than rediculous, it is shoddy programming. Everything else I use >that uses my modem port sets it the way it wants it and moves on. Even if I >don't use my printer my software hangs unless I modify the control panel. Are we all talking about the same thing here? AppleLink--Personal Edition does not require me to make any control panel changes on my Apple IIgs. Possibly this is just because my standard settings were already what it wanted. Which settings are you guys saying need to be changed? --Dave Lyons, Apple Computer, Inc. | DAL Systems AppleLink--Apple Edition: DAVE.LYONS | P.O. Box 875 AppleLink--Personal Edition: Dave Lyons | Cupertino, CA 95015-0875 GEnie: D.LYONS2 or DAVE.LYONS CompuServe: 72177,3233 Internet/BITNET: dlyons@apple.com UUCP: ...!ames!apple!dlyons My opinions are my own, not Apple's.
orcus@pro-lep.cts.com (Brian Greenstone) (08/26/89)
Comment to message from: dlyons@apple.com (David Lyons) I was having a hard time with AppleLink also. Their tech support had no idea why it wouldnt work correctly with my modem, and it took me a month of randomly playing with the control panel until I just by chance found the correct combination of things to make it work... a real pain. -Brian
brentc@pro-tcc.UUCP (Brent Church) (09/23/89)
AppleLink is going through some changes. I called their Customer Service
number and found out that the prices are going down from $6.00 to $4.00 per
hour non-primetime. There will be a flat monthly fee of $5.95 with the $35
once a year gone. America Online which is is now called will also be sending
me new software....
Brent Church American Online - Pixel WizTSEMM@ALASKA.BITNET (Ed 'Apple Guru' Moore) (09/26/89)
Do you know about the rates to Alaska? During prime time?
lbotez@pnet02.gryphon.com (Lynda Botez) (09/27/89)
Actually, the monthly fee of $5.95 for is quite a bit more than the $35 per
year they were charging; however, you get one hour of on-line time for free
included in the monthly charge.
America On-Line (the belated Applelink) had a demo at the 'Fest of the new
software, which subscribers should be receiving shortly. One interesting
feature is you'll be able to save everything you read online to a disk...
there were a few others I can't remember; mostly, the icons looked different.
But then anything's an improvement.
$4.00 per hour is fairly reasonable for one of these services; though I would
much prefer what Prodigy is doing. Prodigy, however, doesn't have much to
offer other than shopping, and an encyclopedia...
One thing I learned at the demo was that America On-Line now has an area
called Customer Service which is totally free... so you can practice
navigating the system without having to pay for it like you do on Genie.
Lynda
UUCP: {ames!elroy, <routing site>}!gryphon!pnet02!lbotez
INET: lbotez@pnet02.gryphon.comemerrill@tippy.uucp (09/27/89)
/* Written 9:41 am Sep 23, 1989 by brentc@pro-tcc.UUCP in tippy:apple */ >AppleLink is going through some changes. I called their Customer Service >number and found out that the prices are going down from $6.00 to $4.00 per ^^^^^ >hour non-primetime. There will be a flat monthly fee of $5.95 with the $35 >once a year gone. America Online which is is now called will also be sending >me new software.... The $4/hr rate is for existing customers only, and only if they keep their current account active. New members pay $5/hr and old meembers who cancel their accounts and then re-subscribe will also pay $5/hr. Kind of an incentive to keep an account that costs at least $71.40 a year. :-) _________________________________________________________ | | | Eric Merrill tippy!emerrill@newton.physics.purdue.edu | | | | Disclaimer: | | If you think I'm serious, that's your problem! | |_________________________________________________________|
nuwilken@ndsuvax.UUCP (Scott Wilken) (09/27/89)
In article <8909252317.AA27073@trout.nosc.mil> brentc@pro-tcc.UUCP (Brent Church) writes: >AppleLink is going through some changes. I called their Customer Service >number and found out that the prices are going down from $6.00 to $4.00 per >hour non-primetime. There will be a flat monthly fee of $5.95 with the $35 >once a year gone. America Online which is is now called will also be sending >me new software.... > > Brent Church American Online - Pixel Wiz Well, almost, but not quite. America Online is only dropping their rates to 5.00$, but they are giving charter members (us, since we already have Apple Link accounts) a 20% discount, which brings *US* down to 4.00$. I believe they are counting any new members before Jan. 1990 as charter members, but on that point I may be mistaken. Scott (Gee, I spose one of these days I should change that Applelink thing in my signature file :) +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ! Internet: nuwilken@Plains.NoDak.EDU AppleLink PE: Wilken ! ! UUCP: uunet!ndsuvax!nuwilken GEnie Mail: S.WILKEN1 ! ! BITNET: NUWILKEN@NDSUVAX ! +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
emerrill@tippy.uucp (09/29/89)
/* Written 12:00 pm Sep 26, 1989 by lbotez@pnet02 in tippy:apple */ >$4.00 per hour is fairly reasonable for one of these services; though I would >much prefer what Prodigy is doing. Prodigy, however, doesn't have much to >offer other than shopping, and an encyclopedia... What is Prodigy? Where can I get some info? _________________________________________________________ | | | Eric Merrill tippy!emerrill@newton.physics.purdue.edu | | | | Disclaimer: | | If you think I'm serious, that's your problem! | |_________________________________________________________|
bobl@pro-graphics.cts.com (System Administrator) (09/29/89)
Network Comment: to #3140 by brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!usc!hacgate!gryphon!pnet02!lbotez@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu lbotez@pnet02.gryphon.com (Lynda Botez) writes: > Actually, the monthly fee of $5.95 for is quite a bit more than the $35 per > year they were charging; however, you get one hour of on-line time for free > included in the monthly charge. Americal Online..hmm. At the price you are talking about ($5.95/month) in addition to what you've said about the hourly charge ($4.00/hour) your logic of getting 1 hour of on-line time for free doesn't hold up. Basically you are FORCED into using 1 hour of time on the system just to eatup that intial $5.95 fee. In fact, the 1 hour of allegedly free time just cost your $5.95! Or, calculated by the hour, you've spent (and are forced to spend) the intial $4.00 for the "free" hour you get PLUS and additional $1.95/month just to maintain your account. C$erve charges (by comparison) $1.50/month regardless of whether or not you login. I don't like the Americal Online policy and I will be dropping my Alink account as soon as possible. I don't see this service (America Online) going anywhere or becoming useful in the future. -- Bob _________________________ Pro-Graphics 201/469-0049 __________________________ UUCP: crash!pro-graphics!bobl | ProLine: bobl@pro-graphics InterNet: crash!bobl@pro-graphics.cts.com | CServe: 70347,2344 ARPA/DDN: crash!pro-graphics!bobl@nosc.mil | AppleLink: Graphics3D ___________ ____________ Raven Enterprises - 25 Raven Ave. Piscataway, NJ 08854
lvirden@pro-tcc.UUCP (Larry Virden) (09/30/89)
Network Comment: to #432 by brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!usc!hacgate!gryphon!pnet02!lbotez@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu I have seen a lot of 'bellyaching' about the new Aline prices. With the old price, you paid approx $3 a month and $6 an hour for service. This is much better than the $1.50 a month and $12 an hour for CIS for instance. The NEW rate, if you get in before 1/90, is $1.95 a month and $4 an hour - with one hour free. Now the Source used to be minimum of $10 a month. And I dont know anything about GEnie. Delphi, which few Apple 2 owners use, has no minimum fee (nor minimum usage - I havent used it but about 2 times in 4-5 yrs and as far as I know my account is still active). Anyways, the price is very competitive. As for whether there is anything good there- well, I have found all of the files that I have looked for there, or been able to find someone who could upload them. The rate of uploads is about the same - in some groups better - than on CIS and DEFINITELY better than Prolines that I have used or Usenet. So I have nothing to complain there about getting 3 times the downloads as I would be able to afford at CIS (plus downloads to me seem faster and have less errors). So the biggest complaint is the way that one has to read msgs. I have made numerous suggestions in the last 9 months. When I have done so constructively I have found either implementations followed, explanations why they were not reasonable or possible at this time, or, occasionally, no respones. Gee - same as I see on all the other services! Imagine that! I see about the same clichishness on Aline as I see on CIS, Usenet and Prolines. In short, if it werent for my free proline and usenet accesses, I would be spending 90% of my time on Aline. As it is, I can get a lot of good stuff here.
dseah@wpi.wpi.edu (David I Seah) (10/02/89)
In article <8909291138.AA09395@trout.nosc.mil> bobl@pro-graphics.cts.com (System Administrator) writes: >Network Comment: to #3140 by brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!usc!hacgate!gryphon!pnet02!lbotez@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu > >lbotez@pnet02.gryphon.com (Lynda Botez) writes: > >> Actually, the monthly fee of $5.95 for is quite a bit more than the $35 per >> year they were charging; however, you get one hour of on-line time for free >> included in the monthly charge. > >Americal Online..hmm. At the price you are talking about ($5.95/month) in >addition to what you've said about the hourly charge ($4.00/hour) your logic >of getting 1 hour of on-line time for free doesn't hold up. Basically you are >FORCED into using 1 hour of time on the system just to eatup that intial $5.95 >fee. In fact, the 1 hour of allegedly free time just cost your $5.95! > >Or, calculated by the hour, you've spent (and are forced to spend) the intial >$4.00 for the "free" hour you get PLUS and additional $1.95/month just to >maintain your account. C$erve charges (by comparison) $1.50/month regardless >of whether or not you login. *** BIAS WARNING! I am a graphics forum consultant on America Online *** Oh come on! According to a fresh junk mailing from CI$, they are still charging $12.50 for 1200 baud! America Online charges a flat $4.00 for charter members for 2400 baud! Granted, not all cities have 2400 baud nodes (like mine *sniff*), but if you do, it's a bargain compared to other services. I understand that the $5.95 monthly charge will allow Quantum to bring back our Update magazine with the monthly conference schedules and AO news. Certainly, GEnie and CompuServe are larger and more evolved than America Online, and the AO software is flaky in sections, but given time this service will be in front of the pack. The forum leaders are extremely dedicated to maintaining the high level of support they provide to everyone. Some say that AO is geared towards the novice user, and that is true. The conversation isn't so technical that the new user is frightened away. The dialup software makes logging in and using the system easier, albeit less efficiently, than using a program like ProTERM and wading through screens of numbers and codes. For the Power Telecomm user, America Online can be frustratingly slow and inflexible because of Quantum's philosophy, but I hope there will be provision for a command line interface soon. >I don't like the Americal Online policy and I will be dropping my Alink >account as soon as possible. I don't see this service (America Online) going >anywhere or becoming useful in the future. Well, it's your cash. America Online should become more interesting in the following months as Macintosh, Commodore and IBM-PC software becomes available. For a year, AppleLink PE was essentially a Apple II Only service that kept me from trashing my GS several times. The continuous chats and conferences kept me aware of the people involved with the Apple II, and inspired me to keep the faith with their humor and farsightedness. Before I completely devolve into a saccharine Barry Manilow jingle, let me just say that I'd give America Online a chance. -- Dave Seah | O M N I D Y N E S Y S T E M S - M | Internet: dseah@wpi.wpi.edu | User Friendly Killing Machines | America Online: AFC DaveS "MY GOD! I HAVE POCKETS!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE IT! I HAVE POCKETS!!" - Tick
sschneider@pro-exchange.cts.com (The RainForest BBS) (10/03/89)
Comment to message from: m2c!wpi!dseah@husc6.harvard.edu (David I Seah) HARRUMPFFF... AppleLINK sucks... After I ordered my "free" T-Shirt a few months ago, my account was suddenly "no good" <probably because I wasn't calling but maybe an hour a month or so> and I never did get that damned shirt <which -really- pisses me off>... I don't like AppleLINK, I never did and I certainly wouldn't waste one thin dime on it under any name! AppleLINK is good for the freeloaders that have privileges, but a BUST for people that have to pay for access. <This is only my personal opinion and may differ with AppleLINK's lawyers and if they sue me I will disavow I actually said anything at all> /steve I've only met one ONLINE service worth the money for what you get in return and that would be EXEC-PC, a MS-DOS system that charges $60 a year (went up from $45) for an hour a day access and is PC-P direct accessible (time spent in messaging is credited towards increasing your daily limit) and has many support sections (as well as question and answer forums)... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | UUCP: crash!pro-exchange!sschneider COMPU$ERVE : 75166,2544 | | ARPA: crash!pro-exchange!sschneider@nosc.mil GENIE : sschneider | | INET: sschneider@pro-exchange.cts.com * My son is a Georgia Tech freshman | | I work for Xerox Corporation for decent bucks but dream of Palto Alto RC | | The RainForest @ 305-434-4927 / PO Box 841422, Pembroke Pines, Fl, 33084 | -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
dseah@wpi.wpi.edu (David I Seah) (10/04/89)
In article <8910031017.AA08495@trout.nosc.mil> sschneider@pro-exchange.cts.com (The RainForest BBS) writes: >Comment to message from: m2c!wpi!dseah@husc6.harvard.edu (David I Seah) > >HARRUMPFFF... AppleLINK sucks... After I ordered my "free" T-Shirt a few >months ago, my account was suddenly "no good" <probably because I wasn't >calling but maybe an hour a month or so> and I never did get that damned shirt ><which -really- pisses me off>... I don't like AppleLINK, I never did and I >certainly wouldn't waste one thin dime on it under any name! AppleLINK is good >for the freeloaders that have privileges, but a BUST for people that have to >pay for access. <This is only my personal opinion and may differ with >AppleLINK's lawyers and if they sue me I will disavow I actually said anything >at all> You know, I never got my free T-shirt either. I did get one for some other reason, but not the one for signing up. I got this card in the mail that said to go to the "Free T-Shirt Area", but it wouldn't accept my zip code + 4. After I found out how to get by it, it disapeared. *grumble* Is it the software interface that pisses you off? While it's relatively easy to learn for new users, it can add a lot of expensive overhead. I'm not sure if slowdowns are primarily the fault of the telnet or tymnet nodes, or Quantum's computers. Before I became a "freeloader", I was a paying member for six months. *I* got a lot out of it, despite the slowness of the interface. I suppose you get what you put into it. For me, living in an area that is devoid of Apple bulletin boards and user groups, AppleLink was a godsend. The interactivity of the system is fun, but a command line interface like that of GEnie or CompuServe would help cut out the dead time associated with using the message bases. Allegedly, improvements are "in the works". As services go, 5 bucks for 2400 baud access ain't bad. Perhaps it isn't as good if you have local bulletin board where you can leech what others have uploaded, or have comp.sys.apple access. -- Dave Seah | O M N I D Y N E S Y S T E M S - M | Internet: dseah@wpi.wpi.edu | User Friendly Killing Machines | America Online: AFC DaveS "MY GOD! I HAVE POCKETS!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE IT! I HAVE POCKETS!!" - Tick
paul@pro-europa.cts.com (Paul Hutmacher) (10/05/89)
Comment to message from: sschneider@pro-exchange.cts.com (The RainForest BBS) > HARRUMPFFF... AppleLINK sucks... After I ordered my "free" T-Shirt a few > months ago, my account was suddenly "no good" <probably because I wasn't > calling but maybe an hour a month or so> and I never did get that damned > shirt <which -really- pisses me off>... And I thought I was the only one who played hell getting his shirt. I finally, after many calls, got my t-shirt two days before Alink was scrubbed and America Online took it's place. They still owe me a key chain from a previous contest. | UUCP: [ucsd, nosc] !crash!pro-europa!paul | "All that is necessary for the | | INET: paul@pro-europa.cts.com | triumph of evil, is for good | | ARPA: crash!pro-europa!paul@nosc.mil | men to do nothing." |
mmunz@pro-sol.cts.com (Mark Munz) (10/06/89)
Network Comment: to #11893 by paul@pro-europa.cts.com > > HARRUMPFFF... AppleLINK sucks... After I ordered my "free" T-Shirt a f > > months ago, my account was suddenly "no good" <probably because I wasn > > calling but maybe an hour a month or so> and I never did get that damn > > shirt <which -really- pisses me off>... > > And I thought I was the only one who played hell getting his shirt. > > I finally, after many calls, got my t-shirt two days before Alink was sc > and America Online took it's place. They still owe me a key chain from > previous contest. Funny, I've never had a problem like that. I got my T-Shirt right away, and then they gave me another one later on. --Mark Munz
jabernathy@pro-houston.cts.com (Joe Abernathy) (10/06/89)
Network Comment: to #973 by paul@pro-europa.cts.com
> They still owe me a keychain from a previous (AppleLink) contest.
That's no so bad, Paul. I've been waiting two years for the last (only) thing
I won from Apple Developer Services.
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INET: jabernathy@pro-houston.cts.comjerryk@pro-tcc.UUCP ("Jerry E. Kindall") (10/07/89)
Network Comment: to #834 by m2c!wpi!dseah@husc6.harvard.edu Well, this is just a short note to tell everyone that I, at least, got my AppleLink T-shirt with no problems -- it took a while to arrive, but it did come. My experience is not necessarily typical, however. _____ ||___|| Jerry Kindall | Internet: jerryk@pro-tcc.cts.com | o | 2612 Queensway Drive | UUCP: nosc!crash!pnet01!pro-tcc |__O__| Grove City, OH 43123 | GEnie: A2.JERRY ALine: A2 Jerry
sschneider@pro-exchange.cts.com (The RainForest BBS) (10/07/89)
Comment to message from: paul@pro-europa.cts.com (Paul Hutmacher) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | UUCP: crash!pro-exchange!sschneider COMPU$ERVE : 75166,2544 | | ARPA: crash!pro-exchange!sschneider@nosc.mil GENIE : sschneider | | INET: sschneider@pro-exchange.cts.com * My son is a Georgia Tech freshman | | I work for Xerox Corporation for decent bucks but dream of Palto Alto RC | | The RainForest @ 305-434-4927 / PO Box 841422, Pembroke Pines, Fl, 33084 | -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
sschneider@pro-exchange.cts.com (The RainForest BBS) (10/07/89)
Comment to message from: m2c!wpi!dseah@husc6.harvard.edu (David I Seah) Thanks for the reply... Not only did the "user interface" grind me a bit <what they go through for computer illiterates> but at least =50%= of the time (=NO= exaggeration!) the software would lock up in the first screen after logon and I'd have to drop carrier and relog on again. It really got to be a hassle. I did notice that most of the people "honking the horn" for AppleLINK were freebee account users (for whatever reason)... hey; for *FREE* I don't bite the hand that feeds me either. One of the online news services (BPS to be exact) ran a blurb in their latest that Online America was looking for 25,000 Apple users to beta their software and would have some free time on the system and provided a 1-800 number as well as a normal number for access/info.. <shrug.. I'm open to new experiences> So I called... HAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA... "No, we don't offer any testing of software or free time but we'd be happy to sell you.........."; I said thank you and hung up... =ONE OF THESE DAYS=.... someone is going to offer unlimited access to information at 19.2K bps with no stupid interface for $25 a month... sign me up as USER #1 ! /steve ============================================================================== "The only thing 'stupid' about one's quest for information is the 'dog and pony show one must go through to gain such knowledge....." --/sschneider ============================================================================== ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | UUCP: crash!pro-exchange!sschneider COMPU$ERVE : 75166,2544 | | ARPA: crash!pro-exchange!sschneider@nosc.mil GENIE : sschneider | | INET: sschneider@pro-exchange.cts.com * My son is a Georgia Tech freshman | | I work for Xerox Corporation for decent bucks but dream of Palto Alto RC | | The RainForest @ 305-434-4927 / PO Box 841422, Pembroke Pines, Fl, 33084 | -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
sschneider@pro-exchange.cts.com (The RainForest BBS) (10/07/89)
Comment to message from: mmunz@pro-sol.cts.com (Mark Munz) Well Mark.... now I know who got the T-Shirt that was supposed to go to me. /steve <grrrr...> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | UUCP: crash!pro-exchange!sschneider COMPU$ERVE : 75166,2544 | | ARPA: crash!pro-exchange!sschneider@nosc.mil GENIE : sschneider | | INET: sschneider@pro-exchange.cts.com * My son is a Georgia Tech freshman | | I work for Xerox Corporation for decent bucks but dream of Palto Alto RC | | The RainForest @ 305-434-4927 / PO Box 841422, Pembroke Pines, Fl, 33084 | -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
mholtz@sactoh0.UUCP (Mark A. Holtz) (10/08/89)
In article <8910050733.AA14655@trout.nosc.mil>, paul@pro-europa.cts.com (Paul Hutmacher) writes: > Comment to message from: sschneider@pro-exchange.cts.com (The RainForest BBS) > > HARRUMPFFF... AppleLINK sucks... After I ordered my "free" T-Shirt a few > > months ago, my account was suddenly "no good" <probably because I wasn't > > calling but maybe an hour a month or so> and I never did get that damned > > shirt <which -really- pisses me off>... > And I thought I was the only one who played hell getting his shirt. > > I finally, after many calls, got my t-shirt two days before Alink was scrubbed > and America Online took it's place. They still owe me a key chain from a > previous contest. Hmmmmmmm . . . . That free T-shirt arrived within one month of I ordering it. When I received the card, I immediately logged on and ordered it. (And, no, I am not a "paid" rep for AppleLink/America OnLine/Quantam/whatever!) And, I log in only 3-4 hours per month, mostly to check on some software and to play RabbitJack Casino and Masterword. Hmmmm. -- Mark Arthur Holtz <-> America OnLine: Mark Holtz 7943 Sungarden Drive <-> GEnie: M.HOLTZ Citrus Heights, CA 95610-3133 <-> UUCP: {ames att}!pacbell!sactoh0!mholtz Home Phone: (916) 722-8522 <-> -or- uunet!mmsac!sactoh0!mholtz
roy@shumv1.uucp (Roy Reter) (10/09/89)
I was wondering has anyone, received any info in the mail on the new Applelink, America Online. The only thing I've received is a post card type that stated they were changing over and the new rates. Please let me know if anyone has anymore information. Thanks, Roy roy@shumv1.ncsu.edu
JABUSSEY@UALR.BITNET (Hard On The Beaver) (10/19/89)
Does anyone know if there is a way to send mail to Apple Link from Internet? ANY info will be appreciated! Thanks in Advance Jacque Andre' Bussey Computer Labs Supervisor University of Arkansas Little Rock
SEWALL@UCONNVM.BITNET (Murph Sewall) (10/19/89)
On Thu, 19 Oct 89 08:09:00 CST you said:
> Does anyone know if there is a way to send mail to Apple Link from Internet?
If you mean the REAL AppleLink (not ALink PE = America OnLine which has NO
network connections), try: user@applelink.apple.com
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(subject to change without notice; void where prohibited)STEIN@UCONNVM.BITNET (Alan Stein) (10/20/89)
On Thu, 19 Oct 89 08:09:00 CST you said: > Does anyone know if there is a way to send mail to Apple Link from Internet? >ANY info will be appreciated! > >Thanks in Advance >Jacque Andre' Bussey >Computer Labs Supervisor >University of Arkansas Little Rock You can address mail to <userid>%applelink@apple.com or else (the official way, I believe) address mail to xb.das@stanford and put the Applelink address in the Subject field. Alan H. Stein | stein@uconnvm.bitnet Department of Mathematics | stein%uconnvm.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu University of Connecticut | ...psuvax1!UCONNVM.BITNET!STEIN 32 Hillside Avenue | Waterbury, CT 06710 | Compu$erve 71545,1500 (203) 757-1231 | GEnie ah.stein