jschober@gnh-starport.UUCP (Joey Schober) (05/09/89)
I'm sure that by the time THIS message gets to the net, the question'll have
been answered thousands of times... but c'est la vie. :)
As far as I know, System 5.0 adds one (1) new FST -- an APPLESHARE.FST. This
allows a system that's hooked up to an AppleTalk network to treat the file
server (a Mac of some sort, hooked to a zillion-meg :) hard drive) JUST AS
ANOTHER DISK DRIVE. Double-click on the server's icon in the Finder,
double-click on the file you want to run, and you're off... all through the
network. This is the way it SHOULD be, and I'm sure schools and businesses
(ARE there any businesses using GS'es?!) will find this useful... Of course,
to the majority of us who can't AFFORD buying a Mac and using it as a big disk
drive, it won't be so significant.
System 5.0 looks terrific to me, too... can't WAIT to get it on this here
system!! :)
And HOPEFULLY this MAJOR System Disk upgrade, combined with last month's AII
Video Overlay Card release, will silence the death-of-the-Apple-II discussions.
See y'all...
Joseph F. Schober, Sysop, StarPort BBS [703/931-0947 - 3/12/2400 baud]
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* Sent by StarPort BBS at 5/ 7/89 4:50:46 AMjazzman@claris.com (Sydney R. Polk) (05/12/89)
By far the best things about System 5.0 are: 1. The QuickDraw II speed-up. Most operations operate 1.5 to 2 times faster. This means that the Finder is actually usable now! 2. Express loading. When an application is set up for express laoding, it loads incredibly fast. To give an example, loading an express loadable AppleWorks GS with all six modules preloaded from floppy takes 35 seconds. It used to take 3-10 minutes! These features alone make the system more usuable. I personally prefer stuff like this to a whole bunch of new FST's -- Syd Polk | Wherever you go, there you are. jazzman@claris.com | Let the music be your light. GO 'STROS! | These opinions are mine. Any resemblence to other GO RICE! | opinions, real or fictitious, is purely coincidence.
bsherman@ibiza.cs.miami.edu (Bob Sherman) (08/13/89)
Subject: Re: System Disk 5.0 documentation References: <8907291414.aa00249@SMOKE.BRL.MIL> <519@tahoma.UUCP> prl3546@tahoma.UUCP (Philip R. Lindberg) writes: >From article <8907291414.aa00249@SMOKE.BRL.MIL>, by L77@TAUNOS.BITNET (Yoram Ne y): >>> Apple needs to keep in mind that a large plurality, if >>>not a majority, of IIGS users don't want to be told to be dumb and happy, >>>and just point, click, type, and don't ask questions! This is true even if >>>we don't have the time or inclination to delve into using GS/OS in our own >>>programming. >> >> Yeah!!!!!!!! >There is no question in my mind that I would be willing to pay twice the >price for Sys 5.0 if I could get doc's that gave me info. on what was >required in which directory, and which drivers were used for which hardware >when, and what was the minimum file configuration, etc. >As it is, I got a copy of Sys 5.0 from my local dealer and I don't plan to >buy the doc's at all. >Phil ---------------------------------------------------------+ Phil, Apple has just released the latest TECH NOTES to user groups across the country. The information you mention above is included in the tech notes. I suggest you contact your local users group, and copy the tech notes you want. They are allowed to be copied by Apple. Other than that, you could subscribe to the tech notes through APDA, then you will have some of the good stuff you desire. You will also be able to purchase GSOS through APDA shortly, and the version they sell will have information for developers rather than the hand holding manual that the dealers offer for sale. :? bsherman@ibiza.cs.miami.edu or bsherman@mthvax.cs.miami.edu bsherman@pro-exchange MCI Mail: BSHERMAN
throoph@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Henry Throop) (08/15/89)
A couple of comments/questions on System 5.0 - 1. First of all, thanks for getting out ahead of schedule, etc. The speed improvement (on program that don't crash :-) is great. 2. After I format a RAM disk from the Finder and verify it, I get a message saying I have 97 bad blocks. Doing the same thing from System 4.0 tells me I have 48 bad blocks. In either case, it gets formatted as 512K, which seems interesting, seeing that I only have 768K on my machine total, 512K of which Finder/System is already using. I'm sure my RAM is OK; my memory test programs verify this, and I've had no problems that would suggest it. 3. Any reason there are no horizontal scroll bars on the 'View by...' windows, like there are in previous Finders? 4. Someone on here mentioned problems with ProTERM v2.1 displaying lots of garbage on the screen when launched from 5.0. Seemed to work fine for me; I've got an external 2400 going through the modem port. 5. Any reason why the green 'fireworks' that appeared when you selected 'About the Finder' on a beta version I saw are gone in the release version? :-) --- Henry Throop Internet: throoph@jacobs.cs.orst.edu
dlyons@Apple.COM (David Lyons) (08/16/89)
In article <12101@orstcs.CS.ORST.EDU> throoph@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU.UUCP (Henry Throop) writes: >A couple of comments/questions on System 5.0 - >[...] >2. After I format a RAM disk from the Finder and verify it, I get a message >saying I have 97 bad blocks. Doing the same thing from System 4.0 tells me >I have 48 bad blocks. In either case, it gets formatted as 512K, which seems >interesting, seeing that I only have 768K on my machine total, 512K of which >Finder/System is already using. I'm sure my RAM is OK; my memory test programs >verify this, and I've had no problems that would suggest it. It sounds like you're talking about /RAM5 and you've set the Minimum and Maximum RAMdisk sizes to different values using the Control Panel CDA. Set them to the same size & your problem will go away. (The Control Panel NDA doesn't let you set min/max to different values, and neither does the Control Panel CDA in ROM 3 machines, just introduced.) >3. Any reason there are no horizontal scroll bars on the 'View by...' windows, >like there are in previous Finders? The titles in the Info Bar didn't scroll before, which was weird (if you scrolled the window, the content no longer lined up with the column headings). For whatever it's worth, the new behavior is consistent with the Macintosh Finder, which also doesn't let you scroll view-by-non-Icon windows horizontally. --Dave Lyons, Apple Computer, Inc. | DAL Systems AppleLink--Apple Edition: DAVE.LYONS | P.O. Box 875 AppleLink--Personal Edition: Dave Lyons | Cupertino, CA 95015-0875 GEnie: D.LYONS2 or DAVE.LYONS CompuServe: 72177,3233 Internet/BITNET: dlyons@apple.com UUCP: ...!ames!apple!dlyons My opinions are my own, not Apple's.
MAR21AA@TECHNION.BITNET (Uri Srebro) (10/15/89)
I just received System 5.0 today (yes, I know I'm a bit late...) and it re
fuses to recognize my SCSI hard disk. I instaled the SCSI.manager and SCSIHD.dr
iver and it's icons dosen't apear on the finder, nor does the instaler recogniz
e them (though when scanning through the drives, it does check the HD, and the
"in-use" light apear). When running BASIC.SYSTEM from System 5.0, I can acces
the hard disk. I do have a revision 'C' SCSI card, and it works just fine under
system disk 4.0. WHAT'S WRONG ? I hope I don't have to reformat the hard-disk.
Nathan Srebro | (Uri Srebro )
Haifa, Israel | (Technion, Haifa, Israel)
MAR21AA @ Technion.BITNETSTEIN@UCONNVM.BITNET (Alan Stein) (10/15/89)
On Sun, 15 Oct 89 00:43:15 IST you said: > I just received System 5.0 today (yes, I know I'm a bit late...) and it re >fuses to recognize my SCSI hard disk. I instaled the SCSI.manager and SCSIHD.dr >iver and it's icons dosen't apear on the finder, nor does the instaler recogniz >e them (though when scanning through the drives, it does check the HD, and the >"in-use" light apear). When running BASIC.SYSTEM from System 5.0, I can acces >the hard disk. I do have a revision 'C' SCSI card, and it works just fine under > system disk 4.0. WHAT'S WRONG ? I hope I don't have to reformat the hard-disk. > > Nathan Srebro | (Uri Srebro ) > Haifa, Israel | (Technion, Haifa, Israel) > > MAR21AA @ Technion.BITNET I couldn't get System 5.0 to recognize my SCSI HD either when I first tried just dragging the driver to the drivers folder, but Copy II Plus, Appleworks, etc. continued to recognize it. Eventually I gave up an used the Installer, which was a pain in the neck because it seemed to require certain specific names for specific disks and I seem to remember renaming a few disks a couple of times to get things to work right. It would be much easier if Apple included a read.me file telling which files were needed where for what. Alan H. Stein | stein@uconnvm.bitnet Department of Mathematics | stein%uconnvm.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu University of Connecticut | ...psuvax1!UCONNVM.BITNET!STEIN 32 Hillside Avenue | Waterbury, CT 06710 | Compu$erve 71545,1500 (203) 757-1231 | GEnie ah.stein
gwyn@smoke.BRL.MIL (Doug Gwyn) (10/16/89)
In article <8910151143.aa16045@SMOKE.BRL.MIL> STEIN@UCONNVM.BITNET (Alan Stein) writes: >Eventually I gave up an used the Installer, which was a pain in the neck ... > It would be much easier if Apple included a read.me file telling which >files were needed where for what. Actually, the Installer is intended to make it as easy as possible to get things installed/deinstalled right. I had no trouble using it to upgrade my SCSI-based GS/OS.
jearls@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU ( Stupid ) (10/17/89)
STEIN@UCONNVM.BITNET (Alan Stein) says: > > I couldn't get System 5.0 to recognize my SCSI HD either when I first >tried just dragging the driver to the drivers folder, but Copy II Plus, >Appleworks, etc. continued to recognize it. Eventually I gave up an >used the Installer, which was a pain in the neck because it seemed to >require certain specific names for specific disks and I seem to remember >renaming a few disks a couple of times to get things to work right. > > It would be much easier if Apple included a read.me file telling which >files were needed where for what. > What I would like to see is a dialog box asking for the volume names of the Installer disk, the disk to install _to_, etc... I get tired of renaming everything SYSTEM.DISK and SYSTEM.TOOLS... > >Alan H. Stein | stein@uconnvm.bitnet >Department of Mathematics | stein%uconnvm.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu >University of Connecticut | ...psuvax1!UCONNVM.BITNET!STEIN >32 Hillside Avenue | >Waterbury, CT 06710 | Compu$erve 71545,1500 >(203) 757-1231 | GEnie ah.stein - John -- _______________________________________________________________________________ Stupid@Idiots.Anonymous.Com | There's an explanation for everything. Tis a pity jearls@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU | that many of those explanations make no sense. earlsj@AFAL-EDWARDS.AF.MIL | - The Teachings of Ebenezum, volume LXIX
dlyons@Apple.COM (David Lyons) (10/21/89)
In article <8910151143.aa16045@SMOKE.BRL.MIL> STEIN@UCONNVM.BITNET (Alan Stein) writes: [...] > It would be much easier if Apple included a read.me file telling which >files were needed where for what. The installer is there because a lot of people don't care about the gory details--the information you want *is* available, though, in GS/OS Technical Note #1. (The Installer still knows more than the technote, since it automatically *deletes* files from older system software versions that are required *not* to be there.) -- --Dave Lyons, Apple Computer, Inc. | DAL Systems AppleLink--Apple Edition: DAVE.LYONS | P.O. Box 875 America Online: Dave Lyons | Cupertino, CA 95015-0875 GEnie: D.LYONS2 or DAVE.LYONS CompuServe: 72177,3233 Internet/BITNET: dlyons@apple.com UUCP: ...!ames!apple!dlyons My opinions are my own, not Apple's.