SEWALL@UCONNVM.BITNET (08/29/87)
READ THIS SLOWLY If you're not on bitnet, then some of you get to experience the kind of frustration some of us have trying to do things on your nets (esp. UUCP -- I know "UU" doesn't really stand for Ugh, Ugh, but...). send SUBSCRIBE, SIGNOFF (or UNSUBSCRIBE), GET and other commands to: LISTSERV@BROWNVM.bitnet send postings to APPLE2-L@BROWNVM If you send your subscribe request to APPLE2-L all that happens is that it gets posted to the list (and appears in the notebook as a file, which it clearly isn't). Chris PROBABLY will see it and get you subscribed anyway. If you send a GET command to APPLE2-L it just gets posted. LISTSERV@BROWNVM is more or less like info-apple-request@brl.arpa while APPLE2-L@BROWNVM is more or less like info-apple@brl.arpa It's not clear whether the GET command will send files properly across the gateway because LISTSERV is designed to respond with files, not mail. Has anyone on arpa or UUCP succeeded at getting a file by way of GET? --------------------- ARPA: sewall%uconnvm.bitnet@wiscvm.wisc.edu Murphy A. Sewall BITNET: SEWALL@UCONNVM School of Business Admin. UUCP: ...ihnp4!psuvax1!UCONNVM.BITNET!SEWALL University of Connecticut
SEWALL@UCONNVM.BITNET (09/09/87)
If you are a subscriber to APPLE2-L you get EVERYTHING sent to the list (the server is a robot; it can't tell files from notes). The purpose of the list is FILES (it's not meant to duplicate info-apple). I've asked some technical questions of the author of the server software, but it appears that, for now, the server doesn't send files to other nets in "mail" envelopes. That is, the only way many people can get files at all is to subscribe to the list. If you do get a response to file requests (have you tried sending mail to LISTSERV@BROWNVM <note: NOT to APPLE2-L> with the message: GETPP NOTEBOOK FILELIST IF you can get the server to send you the notebook, THEN you DO NOT want to subscribe to the list (as you'd get files as mail that you don't want), but you would want to get the notebook from time to time to see what's been posted and retrieve whatever files (with the GETPP command) that you decide you want. If the GETPP command doesn't work, then you have to get the files as mail or not at all (at least until code is added to the server to put files in an "envelope" for delivery to sites not on bitnet -- a feature that may not be too far in the future, we hope). --------------------- ARPA: sewall%uconnvm.bitnet@wiscvm.wisc.edu Murphy A. Sewall BITNET: SEWALL@UCONNVM School of Business Admin. UUCP: ...ihnp4!psuvax1!UCONNVM.BITNET!SEWALL University of Connecticut
lwv@n8emr.UUCP (Larry W. Virden) (09/12/87)
Over the past few weeks a pattern seems to be emerging. Though there are lots of folks on this group which have Bitnet access, there are also quite a few folks who do not. Perhaps the solution on the uucp side is for one of you kind folk who own the machine that you are running on (or who are in good with the folks who do) to get a copy of the C uucp server software from Brian Reid (the guy who does the news.lists and the alt.gourmand groups) and bring it up on your system. After it appears to be working, then someone on Bitnet could send to the archive site all files currently on Bitnet, as well as perhaps set up a friendly reminder to forware subsequent files to this uucp site. Then uucp folks could submit requests for files on their transport mechinism and Bitnetter could do likewise on bitnet. -- Larry W. Virden 75046,606 (CIS) 674 Falls Place, Reynoldsburg, OH 43068 (614) 864-8817 cbosgd!n8emr!lwv HAM/SWL BBS (HBBS) 614-457-4227.. 300/1200 bps We haven't inherited the world from our parents, but borrowed it from our children.
gary@rencon.UUCP (Gary Falsken) (09/16/87)
In article <244@n8emr.UUCP> lwv@n8emr.UUCP (Larry W. Virden) writes: >Over the past few weeks a pattern seems to be emerging. Though there are >lots of folks on this group which have Bitnet access, there are also quite >a few folks who do not. Perhaps the solution on the uucp side is for one of >you kind folk who own the machine that you are running on (or who are in good >with the folks who do) to get a copy of the C uucp server software from >Brian Reid (the guy who does the news.lists and the alt.gourmand groups) and >bring it up on your system. After it appears to be working, then someone >on Bitnet could send to the archive site all files currently on Bitnet, as >well as perhaps set up a friendly reminder to forware subsequent files to this >uucp site. Then uucp folks could submit requests for files on their transport >mechinism and Bitnetter could do likewise on bitnet. > Larry's article struck a nerve. As the owner of my own machine, a member of those who don't have Bitnet access, and would like to get the archive info. I would like to investigate a few items. 1. How much space does this archive take up? 2. How much space does this C uucp server software take? 3. How many request for this archive per day would you expect to have? 4. How many modem lines do you think it would take? 5. What is the active period of an article? How soon can it be rolled out to tape or off-line storage? 6. How much time would it take to administer? 7. How can we make certain all articles will be posted to the uucp archive site or sites? 8. I don't know anything about Bitnet, would I have to access to it? Well thats enough for now. Lets see what we get from those? Gary Falsken Renaissance Consulting {ptsfa,pyramid,hpscda,sun}!rencon!gary ----- is the preferred path. -- Gary Falsken Renaissance Consulting {ptsfa,pyramid,hpscda,sun}!rencon!gary ----- is the preferred path.
SEWALL@UCONNVM.BITNET (10/06/87)
You should be able to subscribe to the APPLE2-L software list
by sending mail to: LISTSERV@BROWNVM.bitnet (you may have to use
listserv%brownvm.bitnet@wiscvm.wisc.edu) with the body of the mail:
SUBSCRIBE APPLE2-L your_1st_name your_last_name
You should be able to get a list of previous files by sending mail
to LISTSERV@BROWNVM.bitnet with the body of the mail:
INDEX APPLE2-L
You should be able to get previously posted files by sending mail
to LISTSERV@BROWVNVM.bitnet with the body of the mail:
GET APPLE2-L 87-nnnnn (where 'nnnnn' is a file number - that's why
you need the INDEX).
You can request more than one file in a single mailing.
To post a program to APPLE2-L send it as mail to:
APPLE2-L@BROWNVM.bitnet (Note the address for commands like INDEX and
GET is NOT the same as for posting -- sending to the wrong
address causes you not to get the files or post the files so
please PAY ATTENTION <don't mean to yell, but you'd be surprised
at the number of sleepy people we have on this net>)
---------------------
ARPA: sewall%uconnvm.bitnet@wiscvm.wisc.edu Murphy A. Sewall
BITNET: SEWALL@UCONNVM School of Business Admin.
UUCP: ...ihnp4!psuvax1!UCONNVM.BITNET!SEWALL University of Connecticutarenberg@trwrb.UUCP (Jeff Arenberg) (10/14/87)
In article <1802@killer.UUCP> jockc@killer.UUCP (Jock Cooper) writes: >In article <8710061747.aa16857@SMOKE.BRL.ARPA>, SEWALL@UCONNVM.BITNET writes: >> You should be able to subscribe to the APPLE2-L software list >> by sending mail to: LISTSERV@BROWNVM.bitnet (you may have to use >> listserv%brownvm.bitnet@wiscvm.wisc.edu) with the body of the mail: >> >> SUBSCRIBE APPLE2-L your_1st_name your_last_name >> > >Is it possible to use APPLE2-L from Usenet? I don't think I have access to >Bitnet. > >---------------------------+ >jockc / ihnp4!killer!jockc | >---------------------------+ I've been able to reach listserv using the following address : ...!ucbvax!jade.berkeley.edu!brownvm.bitnet!listserv An article I have also lists psuvax1 as a bitnet gateway. Jeff Arenberg ------------------------------------------------------------ UUCP : ( ucbvax, ihnp4, uscvax ) !trwrb!trwcsed!arenberg ARPA : jarenberg@ecla.usc.edu ------------------------------------------------------------
plate@dicome.UUCP (Douglas B. Plate) (10/20/87)
(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-) Awhile back, some people started complained that some of these bigger files being posted were really a drag for some on the network with limited disk space. SO, APPLE2-L was set up. Being on uucp, I have seen no benefit from this list yet, as apparently, the LISTSERV can't send stuff to uucp addresses on request anyway. Well, the way I see it (and this is just my opinion) the messages about how to use LISTSERV and various other flames, questions, etc. concerning the APPLE2-L have probably taken up a good deal of disk space themselves! Maybe I'm the only one that feels this way, but I am tired of reading about LISTSERV and APPLE2-L (especially when I have not had any luck using them). Perhaps this newsgroup really belongs to bitnet and arpa and maybe I should just be quiet, but I liked it when people used to post programs here where I could actually get them instead of hearing about these great programs that I can't get to. No offense intended here, just spouting off. Those of you who love APPLE2-L, please don't bother flaming me, I'll be quiet from now on. Doug Plate
mdavis@pro-sol.cts.COM (Morgan Davis) (10/22/87)
Doug Plate voiced his displeasure with the current LISTSERV activity being
propagated throughout this feed. I can only agree with his statements.
>From the very onset, I proposed that a completely separate feed for Apple
software be started that gets this stuff OUT of Info-Apple altogether.
At least 40% of the recent Info-Apple traffic has been related to problems
with LISTSERV, or we're treated to long lists of people who are subscribing to
it (and who really cares?).
I'm all for the distribution and dissemination of Apple public domain and
shareware software, BUT NOT IN THIS FORUM. This is for INFOrmation, not
software.
I remain,
--Morgan Davis
UUCP: [ ihnp4 cbosgd hplabs!hp-sdd sdcsvax nosc ] !crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mdavis
ARPA: crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mdavis@nosc.mil
INET: mdavis@pro-sol.cts.comugjeffh@sunybcs.uucp (Jeffrey Horvath) (10/23/87)
In article <1754@dicome.UUCP> plate@dicome.UUCP (Douglas B. Plate) writes: >maybe I should just be quiet, but I liked it when people used to post >programs here where I could actually get them instead of hearing about >these great programs that I can't get to. No offense intended here, I'd just like to say, I've had the same observations and problems. I quite agree. Jeff
patth@dasys1.UUCP (Patt Haring) (10/24/87)
In article <1754@dicome.UUCP>, plate@dicome.UUCP (Douglas B. Plate) writes: > .....Being on uucp, I have > seen no benefit from this list yet, as apparently, the LISTSERV can't > send stuff to uucp addresses on request anyway. Well, the way I see > it (and this is just my opinion) the messages about how to use LISTSERV > and various other flames, questions, etc. concerning the APPLE2-L > have probably taken up a good deal of disk space themselves! Maybe > I'm the only one that feels this way, but I am tired of reading about > LISTSERV and APPLE2-L (especially when I have not had any luck using > them). Perhaps this newsgroup really belongs to bitnet and arpa and > just spouting off. Those of you who love APPLE2-L, please don't bother > flaming me, I'll be quiet from now on. Doug, There's no reason for you to keep quiet; I would have continued to post programs to this newsgroup but I was told not to so I have been sending them to APPLE2-L@BROWNVM.BITNET; I'm on UUCP also and so I can't get the INDEX or NOTEBOOK unless someone on BITNET is kind enough to send it to me (thanks Grant Delaney and Murphy Sewall!) but I am able to receive the programs that have been posted since I've become a subscriber to APPLE2-L. I've brought up the question of a comp.binaries.apple2 section but so far have been voted down and/or there's not enough traffic to warrant same, etc., etc., ad nauseum. Chris Chung now tells us that his disk space is filled up and so, perhaps, now the *net gods* will take our needs into consideration; after all, there are binary groups for the MAC (arrrgghh), Atari, etc. -- Patt Haring UUCP: ..cmcl2!phri!dasys1!patth Big Electric Cat Compu$erve: 76566,2510 New York, NY, USA MCI Mail: 306-1255; GEnie: PHaring (212) 879-9031 FidoNet Mail: 1:107/132 or 107/222
lwv@n8emr.UUCP (Larry W. Virden) (10/25/87)
I am going to agree with the folks who are calling for software to be posted here. May I suggest an alternative to the listserv software - perhaps something could be set up for those 100 or so folks who are stuck with the 3 meg of disk on bitnet for public domain Apple software and the rest of us who have a hundred meg or more could continue to get the software here. Place the characters "SOURCE:" at the beginning of the subject title, or perhaps in the keyword field of your posting. Then folks who have software which download messages from another site can write some software which generates a list of files which do not contain such lines. For instance, the main folks who were having a problem with posting source code in this group were the pro-line boards - Don Elton and Morgan Davis. There were some others, but the Pro-Liners had the legitamate problem of not wanting to spend the time, $$, and disk space downloading their own software, etc. I assume that they do not download all articles within the group's message area - they would be downloading articles over and over again. So since some kind of determination of articles has to be made and then fed to the downloading software, lets make it possible to add a new selection. On a unix system, one might have the following: egrep -v -l "^Subject: SOURCE: " /usr/spool/news/comp/sys/apple/* > /tmp/t21 for i in `cat /tmp/t21` ; do umodem -st $i done Of course, rather than using all articles as above, one will use the newer ones if available. In fact, what I typically do is set off a find command within this directory, comparing against the last date that I downloaded files. After getting the names of the new files, I then touch a file in my home directory, so I know what the newest date to start searching from. Anyways, enought implementation notes. I am just tired of having to get onto CIS and pay big bucks to download software that OUGHT to have been coming in my system via usenet! -- Larry W. Virden 75046,606 (CIS) 674 Falls Place, Reynoldsburg, OH 43068 (614) 864-8817 cbosgd!n8emr!lwv HAM/SWL BBS (HBBS) 614-457-4227.. 300/1200 bps We haven't inherited the world from our parents, but borrowed it from our children.
pem@cadnetix.UUCP (Paul Meyer) (10/28/87)
[] In article <1754@dicome.UUCP>, Doug Plate says: > Awhile back, some people started complained that some of these bigger > files being posted were really a drag for some on the network with > limited disk space. SO, APPLE2-L was set up. Being on uucp, I have > seen no benefit from this list yet, as apparently, the LISTSERV can't > send stuff to uucp addresses on request anyway. Well, the way I see > it (and this is just my opinion) the messages about how to use LISTSERV > and various other flames, questions, etc. concerning the APPLE2-L > have probably taken up a good deal of disk space themselves! Maybe > I'm the only one that feels this way, but I am tired of reading about > LISTSERV and APPLE2-L (especially when I have not had any luck using > them). Perhaps this newsgroup really belongs to bitnet and arpa and > maybe I should just be quiet, but I liked it when people used to post > programs here where I could actually get them instead of hearing about > these great programs that I can't get to... He was supported in <8710061747.aa16857@SMOKE.BRL.ARPA>, <1802@killer.UUCP>, and <752@trwcsed.trwrb.UUCP>. Until I got to these articles, I was thinking to myself, "Well, I guess it's time to unsubscribe to comp.sys.apple. Ever since they got the long-awaited file server in a place where it does me no good at all, all that I see on the newsgroup is 'Subscribe me!' 'Wow, here's a nifty keen program to do everything anybody ever wanted. Get it off the LISTSERV!', and 'Would you ^@^# morons send the right messages to the right places!'." Please, please, please, can we get this stuff off of comp.sys.apple/info-apple and use this group to talk about apples? Perhaps someone on the wider net can suggest a way to do this. (This is why I have cross-posted to news.groups and included most of the original article.) A new newsgroup does not sound reasonable, but since a good amount of the volume is people subcribing to (or more properly trying to subscribe to) a mailing list, a mailing list would be a little recursive. (*sigh*) -- pem@cadnetix.UUCP (nbires!isis!ico!cadnetix!pem)
shankar@srcsip.UUCP (Subash Shankar) (11/01/87)
In article <1005@cadnetix.UUCP> pem@cadnetix.UUCP (Paul Meyer) writes: >[] >In article <1754@dicome.UUCP>, Doug Plate says: >> limited disk space. SO, APPLE2-L was set up. Being on uucp, I have >> seen no benefit from this list yet, as apparently, the LISTSERV can't >> send stuff to uucp addresses on request anyway. >> [requests for means of accessing programs through uucp] >He was supported in <8710061747.aa16857@SMOKE.BRL.ARPA>, ><1802@killer.UUCP>, and <752@trwcsed.trwrb.UUCP>. >original article.) A new newsgroup does not sound reasonable, but ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I think a new newsgroup (i.e. comp.sys.apple.binaries or whatever) is reasonable. Both the Mac and IBM world have binary groups, and there is certainly enough market for Apple 2 sources, as the last few messages indicate. That way, sources and the annoying messages about how to get on LISTSERV wont clog this newsgroup, and those who want sources have ready availability on UUCP. Well, if anybodys taking votes, heres one vote for a new newsgroup! -- Subash Shankar Honeywell Systems & Research Center ihnp4!srcsip!shankar
patth@dasys1.UUCP (Patt Haring) (11/03/87)
In article <369@altura.srcsip.UUCP>, shankar@srcsip.UUCP (Subash Shankar) writes: > In article <1005@cadnetix.UUCP> pem@cadnetix.UUCP (Paul Meyer) writes: > >In article <1754@dicome.UUCP>, Doug Plate says: > >> limited disk space. SO, APPLE2-L was set up. Being on uucp, I have > >> seen no benefit from this list yet, as apparently, the LISTSERV can't > >> send stuff to uucp addresses on request anyway. > >> [requests for means of accessing programs through uucp] > >He was supported in <8710061747.aa16857@SMOKE.BRL.ARPA>, > ><1802@killer.UUCP>, and <752@trwcsed.trwrb.UUCP>. > >original article.) A new newsgroup does not sound reasonable, but Subash Shankar writes: > I think a new newsgroup (i.e. comp.sys.apple.binaries or whatever) is > reasonable. Both the Mac and IBM world have binary groups, and there is > certainly enough market for Apple 2 sources, as the last few messages i> Well, if anybodys taking votes, heres one vote for a new newsgroup! Hmmm, I wonder if we should *ask* everyone to vote on this issue; maybe we can discuss the pros and cons of a comp.binaries.apple2 group to replace LISTSERV@BROWNVM.BITNET. What happens to BITNET people if comp.binaries.apple2 replaces the LISTSERV? Would they be unable to get the files? Would *everyone* have access to a comp.binaries.apple2 group? If and when a comp.binaries.apple2 newsgroup is created how long do the files remain before systems delete them; are they aged and then deleted after, for example, 30, 60 or 90 days? Is it better to have LISTSERV so that old files can be killed when they are replaced with new versions, i.e., BLU 2.0 is now replaced by BLU 2.27 and is this a burden on Christopher Chung, to have to keep track of which files to keep and which files to delete? Should *everyone* sending files to LISTSERV also send a message addressed to Christopher Chung asking him to delete the old file which has been replaced by the new version they are sending? Sorry for all these questions, but I don't have the answers and Chris is running out of disk space. For example, Kermit 3.78 is still on LISTSERV even though the new Kermit 3.79 replaces it - should it be deleted? With respect to BLU 2.0 - it might be worth keeping it because BLU 2.27 won't run on an unenhanced ][e, so those users will need BLU 2.0 to unbunny the BNY files. Is it true that we'll need 100 YES votes to get a comp.binaries. apple2 group? Who will tally the YES votes? -- Patt Haring UUCP: ..cmcl2!phri!dasys1!patth Big Electric Cat Compu$erve: 76566,2510 New York, NY, USA MCI Mail: 306-1255; GEnie: PHaring (212) 879-9031 FidoNet Mail: 1:107/132 or 107/222
lwv@n8emr.UUCP (Larry W. Virden) (11/06/87)
I don't know how the current comp.sys.apple -> bitnet mailing list is set up, but surely a similar mechanism could be set up for bitnet users if we had a comp.sources/binaries.apple group. If we can get one of you fine, outstanding, honest folks to call for a VOTE (cross post it to news.group) on these groups, giving I believe a 3-4 week deadline on the vote taking, and INSISTING THAT NO YES VOTES BE POSTED, then allow your self to be the receiver of the votes, we can get started. If you get a typical usenet feed, you get news.announcement.newuser; this group receives a series of "how to use usenet" articles each month. This month a "how to create a newsgroup" article arrived! Please see if you can get a hold of this article before beginning the effort. After we get the votes in and counted, post the results to comp.sys.apple and news.groups. Then request that the news.godds (Greg Woods, Gene Spafford, or someone else) create said groups. Note: as I said above, there should be some way that we can arrange to get the source and binaries gatewayed to bitnet; if nothing else, my offer to send you a copy of the uucp software mail server is still standing; to date, not ONE uucp site has contacted me to request this software to set up an apple II server for uucp sites!!! Note that this is NOT software of mine; I retrieved it from Brian Reid and the info as to how to get fresh copies, etc . should be within this set of files. -- Larry W. Virden 75046,606 (CIS) 674 Falls Place, Reynoldsburg, OH 43068 (614) 864-8817 cbosgd!n8emr!lwv HAM/SWL BBS (HBBS) 614-457-4227.. 300/1200 bps We haven't inherited the world from our parents, but borrowed it from our children.
nazgul@apollo.uucp (Kee Hinckley) (11/06/87)
In article <1879@dasys1.UUCP> patth@dasys1.UUCP (Patt Haring) writes: > What happens to BITNET people if comp.binaries.apple2 replaces > the LISTSERV? Would they be unable to get the files? Would > *everyone* have access to a comp.binaries.apple2 group? You don't have to replace it. Just create the comp.binaries group and gateway the LISTSERV to it (ask Erik Fair (fair@ucbarpa.berkeley.edu) how to do this). > If and when a comp.binaries.apple2 newsgroup is created how > long do the files remain before systems delete them; are they > aged and then deleted after, for example, 30, 60 or 90 days? Up to the system. 2 weeks is normal. > Is it true that we'll need 100 YES votes to get a comp.binaries. > apple2 group? Who will tally the YES votes? This from Len Tower, when I asked about this at one point. Please do it, I just haven't had the time. ------- Kee: you propose the group in news.groups and other relevant groups with Followup-To: news.groups. You offer to conduct the vote for it and ask people to send you the votes. If you get several hundred Yeses, you report the results of the vote to news.groups and get a backbone site to issue the newgroup control message, and arrange with Eric Fair (aka usenet@ucbvax.berkeley.edu) to gate the group for BITNET to USENET. It be wise to get and include the full data on the BITNET list and server including usage and membership to date. It would help show there's a need. ----- Note that the "100" is probably not absolutely necessary. -nazgul -- ### {mit-erl,yale,uw-beaver}!apollo!nazgul ### apollo!nazgul@eddie.mit.edu ### ### pro-angmar!nazgul@pro-sol.cts.com ### nazgul@apollo.com ### ### (617) 641-3722 300/1200/2400 ### ### I'm not sure which upsets me more; that people are so unwilling to accept responsibility for their own actions, or that they are so eager to regulate everyone else's.
kamath@reed.UUCP (Sean Kamath) (11/07/87)
In article <1879@dasys1.UUCP> patth@dasys1.UUCP (Patt Haring) writes: >Hmmm, > I wonder if we should *ask* everyone to vote on this issue; maybe >we can discuss the pros and cons of a comp.binaries.apple2 group >to replace LISTSERV@BROWNVM.BITNET. > > What happens to BITNET people if comp.binaries.apple2 replaces >the LISTSERV? Would they be unable to get the files? Would >*everyone* have access to a comp.binaries.apple2 group? >-- >Patt Haring UUCP: ..cmcl2!phri!dasys1!patth What we really ought to do is form comp.sys.binaries.apple or whatever, and use listserv for *archives*, just like they do with UNIX archives in comp.sources.unix etc. The binaries *should* be moderated, to prevent a mass of them, and also to manage the archives. Of course, if we made listserv the archive, that wouldn't be too much use for us on UUCP, as we wouldn't be able to get archives. Sean Kamath -- UUCP: {decvax allegra ucbcad ucbvax hplabs ihnp4}!tektronix!reed!kamath CSNET: reed!kamath@Tektronix.CSNET || BITNET: reed!kamath@Berkeley.BITNET ARPA: tektronix!reed!kamath@Berkeley <or> reed!kamath@hplabs US Snail: 3934 SE Boise, Portland, OR 97202 (I hate 4 line .sigs!)
mkao@crash.UUCP (11/19/87)
I keep reading about Apple2-L and LISTSERV. Are these the same service?
At any rate, will someone please give me simple-to-follow instructions on how
to use these services? I'm new to the concept of a file server (that's what
they are, right?)
--
To insure my reception of any replies, please respond via e-mail. Thanks!
-- Mike Kao
UUCP: {cbosgd, hplabs!hp-sdd, sdcsvax, nosc}!crash!pnet01!mkao
ARPA: crash!pnet01!mkao@nosc.mil
INET: mkao@pnet01.CTS.COMSEWALL@UCONNVM.BITNET (12/17/87)
The easiest way to tell if you are subscribed to APPLE2-L is
if you are receiving files (if you haven't gotten any in the
last 2 or 3 days AND you've been receiving mail from elsewhere
<such as info-apple>, then you must not be on the list).
From Bitnet and Internet, you can send commands to
LISTSERV@BROWNVM <--- NOTE!!!! that is DIFFERENT from APPLE2-L
The commands must be in the body of mail and NOTHING else other
than commands should be in the message (no thank you or "signature").
Useful commands:
SUBSCRIBE APPLE2-L your_1st_name your_last_name
INDEX APPLE2-L (will provide a list of previously submitted files)
GET APPLE2-L 87-nnnnn (where 'nnnnn' is the file number given in the
list received from INDEX)
REVIEW APPLE2-L (provides a list of addresses and names of subscribers
to the list)
SIGNOFF APPLE2-L (removes you from the list)
IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT!!!!!
If you send these commands to APPLE2-L@BROWNVM they are simply sent
out as mail to all the subscribers. The command will NOT be executed.
If you are trying to sign off by posting messages to APPLE2-L, expect
to be frustrated. The list owner often hasn't the time to read the
list on a daily basis.
UUCP ! UUCP ! UUCP ! UUCP ! UUCP ! UUCP
Unfortunately (we don't like it either folks, and the author of the
software IS working on improving the code to solve the problems).
APPLE2-L does NOT work very well for UUCP subscribers.
1) It DOES NOT SUCCEED in responding to commands; I don't know whether
the problem is within UUCP or is caused at the gateways between
UUCP and bitnet, but LISTSERV simply does not generate addresses
that work in response to commands.
2) SOME (regretably, not all) UUCP subscribers can receive files from
APPLE2-L as they are posted. The list owner (see below) can enter
list distribution addresses by hand; IF (and ONLY IF) he can find
an address that works in UPPER CASE (need to find a gateway that
will accept upper case addresses from the LISTSERV and convert them
to lower case for UUCP -- some gates do it, most don't) can the list
be sent to UUCP subscribers (maybe someone can talk a backbone site
into being the "address of record" for APPLE2-L and redistribute
the files to UUCP-subscribers -- that's not quite a
comp.binaries.apple if the redistribution site doesn't archive what
it's mailing).
IF YOU ARE ON UUCP, PLEASE DON'T SEND COMMANDS TO LISTSERVBROWNVM
(or APPLE2-L@BROWNVM either for that matter). That mail only generates
bounced mail and other error messages.
HOWEVER, YOU CAN POST PROGRAMS (THOSE are the ones that should be
sent to APPLE2-L@BROWNVM) to the list.
3) The list owner is Chris Chung whose address is: CC004019@BROWNVM
PLEASE address queries about whether you are sucessfully subscribed,
questions about files you received/don't receive from the server, etc.
DIRECTLY to Chris (Really, those messages don't belong on either
info-apple or APPLE2-L). If your attempts to send mail to Chris
bounce, then it's unlikely that APPLE2-L is going to work for you
(sorry).
4) It doesn't do a whole lot of good to send mail to me. I'm just an
"elf" (gremlin?) that volunteers to help Chris out when I can (he
has to spend time studying for exams, I only have to write exams).
I have no official position (control over or responsibility for)
relevant to APPLE2-L
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ARPA: sewall%uconnvm.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu Murphy A. Sewall
BITNET: SEWALL@UCONNVM School of Business Admin.
UUCP: ...ihnp4!psuvax1!UCONNVM.BITNET!SEWALL University of ConnecticutSEWALL@UCONNVM.BITNET (12/24/87)
I saw your note about mail for APPLE2-L going to you first. That's certainly likely to prevent the kind of mass mail robot wars like we had yesterday. Does that mean that mail addressed to APPLE2-L@BROWNVM.BITNET will simply be routed to you (not bounced altogether I hope), or must programs for the list be sent to CC004019@BROWNVM.BITNET (or either address)? On the notion of an INET peer site. Another possibility would be if one or more sites would agree to act as "redistribution points" (you already have one UUCP site doing that). Redistributing requires less overhead than a peer site would require because a redistributor would NOT RETAIN a file of previous posts. It seems to me that UUCP backbone sites would have less traffic if they received only one copy of each APPLE2-L message from BROWNVM and then sent mail to whatever subscribers were registered at that site. The same sort of thing probably is true on arpa, mil, csnet, gov, decnet, and so forth. Perchance subscribers to APPLE2-L at (or with contacts at) backbone sites who see this message on comp.sys.apple will communicate with the appropriate systems people and see if they can't set something up? --------------------- ARPA: sewall%uconnvm.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu Murphy A. Sewall BITNET: SEWALL@UCONNVM School of Business Admin. UUCP: ...ihnp4!psuvax1!UCONNVM.BITNET!SEWALL University of Connecticut
SEWALL@UCONNVM.BITNET (03/29/88)
William Tsai <bill@vax1.acs.udel.EDU> writes: >I have only been subscribing to news groups for a few month, and have >been hearing a lot about APPLE2-L... But the ultimate question is, >how do I get access to it? Not many people can get use it???? APPLE2-L is a list on LISTSERV@BROWNVM.BITNET that archives public domain and shareware for the Apple 2 series (in "hexified" binary). Approximately 200 accounts are subscribed (is that many or not?). APPLE2-L is easy to access from bitnet, reasonably reachable from the Internet (arpa, mil, etc.), and nearly impossible to access from Usenet (UUCP) although some UUCP addresses can receive files as they are posted (but not retrieve them from the archive). I think (but do not know for sure until you try it) that you can access APPLE2-L by mail from udel.edu You should be able to subscribe to the APPLE2-L software list by sending mail to: LISTSERV@BROWNVM.bitnet (you may have to use listserv%brownvm.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu) with the body of the mail: SUBSCRIBE APPLE2-L your_1st_name your_last_name You may be able to get a list of previous files by sending mail to LISTSERV@BROWNVM.bitnet with the body of the mail: INDEX APPLE2-L If INDEX works, you can get previously posted files by sending mail to LISTSERV@BROWVNVM.bitnet with the body of the mail: GET APPLE2-L 88-nnnnn (where 'nnnnn' is a file number - that's why you need the INDEX). You can request more than one file in a single mailing. To post a program to APPLE2-L send it as mail to: APPLE2-L@BROWNVM.bitnet (Note the address for commands like INDEX and GET is NOT the same as for posting -- sending to the wrong address causes you not to get the files or post the files so please PAY ATTENTION <don't mean to yell, but you'd be surprised at the number of sleepy people we have on this net>) --------------------- Disclaimer: I like my opinions better than my employer's anyway... (subject to change without notice; void where prohibited) ARPA: sewall%uconnvm.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu Murphy A. Sewall BITNET: SEWALL@UCONNVM School of Business Admin. UUCP: ...ihnp4!psuvax1!UCONNVM.BITNET!SEWALL University of Connecticut
tmetro@lynx.northeastern.EDU (08/08/88)
I have been talking to Christopher Chung, moderator of APPLE2-L, about the problems with APPLE2-L. I thought it would be a good idea to get the net's opinion on them. Some of the problems include: o tying up the net sending unwanted files o subject fields not listing important information o lacking standards for both file encoding and description o new user education One of the bigest problems I personally have with APPLE2-L is that I can't subscribe to it so I have to request files from the archives based on the information given in the INDEX. This has some advantages to it: if things go well I don't receive files that won't run on my particular Apple // or that I'm not interested in and net resources aren't wasted. The problem is that the descriptions given in the subject (which are listed in the INDEX) usually don't contain enough information. So the first question is: What should the subject field contain? Maybe a file name, a program type descriptor (telecom, text, utility, etc.), and a code representing the machines it will run on (maybe ][ for ][,][+, // for //e,//c, and gs for //gs(+)). Another alternative is to have a description list or newsgroup which would only distribute a brief description of each file uploaded to APPLE2-L. Then users could subscribe to the description list - taking up a minimum of space/resources - and request only the files of interest. Second question: Should a description list be created? Chris informs me that it's not likely that he could create one at Brown. The easiest way out would be to use Info-Apple. Would people object to having program descriptions floating through Info-Apple along with everything else? A standard subject could be used (like "APPLE2-L Description") to help people aviod the messages if they wish to do so. Some standards should be agreed appon for pre-processing programs (Executioner, BLU, etc) and settings (4-bit, 6-bit). Chris said that even if we could agree on standards it would be hard to get users in general and especially new users to conform. One possible solution to this is to create a brief file that covers all the "standards", APPLE2-L addresses, and any other reminders that could be distributed on Info-Apple once every month or so. What do you think? ___________ ./ Tom Metro \_____________________________________________________________. | _ _ | | INET: tmetro@pro-angmar.uucp --/\/\_| |_| '- DigiTell, Inc. | | ARPA: crash!pnet01!pro-angmar!tmetro@nosc.mil Newton, MA | | UUCP: [ihnp4 sdcsvax nosc]!crash!pnet01!pro%angmar!tmetro | |_Alternate: tmetro@lynx.northeastern.edu__________________________________| "I think I was kidding" - Reagan
abc@BRL.MIL (Brint Cooper) (08/08/88)
Tom Metro writes, > One of the bigest problems I personally have with APPLE2-L is that I can't > subscribe to it so I have to request files from the archives based on the > information given in the INDEX... > The problem is that the > descriptions given in the subject (which are listed in the INDEX) usually > don't contain enough information. Then he wonders about creating "description lists," etc. I suggest taking the easy way out: One who posts a program to APPLE2-L should describe the contribution in a few lines or a paragraph and post the same to Info-Apple/comp.sys.apple. After all, Info-Apple is for the dissemination of information of interest to users of Apple II-class machines. Available software is certainly of interest. Descriptions of posted routines should be just long enough to answer the questions Tom raises but not so long as to clutter mailboxes. Keep them under 1000 characters, and I'm sure the "net" will welcome them. Folks? _B
greg@engr.uky.edu (Greg Henderson) (08/08/88)
Knowing that this might be met with some hostility.. But due to the recent outbreaks of certain viruses.. should we elect a moderator for comp.bianries.apple2? So that viruses and improperly coded files get a look-see before everyone in Netland decides to take them trustingly onto their own systems? By the way.. I am going to write a UUencode and decode for the apple if there is enough interest.. or are we all satisfied with the Executioner? Greg Henderson -- "I'm trying to thank-you, you pointy-eared hobgoblin!" -=>Dr. McCoy .________________.__________________________________________________________. | Greg Henderson | INTERNET: greg@engr.uky.edu CSNET: greg@engr.uky.csnet | |-______________-| UUCP: cbosgd!ukma!ukecc!greg|
delton@pro-carolina.cts.com (System Administrator) (01/22/89)
I've been asked to send along my ECP8 source code/object code etc to the
apple2-l archive thingy. I have no idea how to do this. If someone will
please send me instructions in email I'll give it a shot. Thanks.
UUCP: [ sdcsvax nosc ] !crash!pro-carolina!delton
ARPA: crash!pro-carolina!delton@nosc.mil
INET: delton@pro-carolina.cts.com
Pro-Carolina: 803-776-3936 (300-2400 baud, login as 'register')
US Mail: 3207 Berkeley Forest Drive, Columbia, SC 29209-4111GREYELF@WPI.BITNET (02/20/89)
If people give me addresses I can reach them at I will help out in a LIMITED way to relay apple2-l files. I want signatures though... +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Michael J Pender Jr snail mail: Box 1942 c/o W.P.I. | | Bitnet: greyelf@wpi.bitnet 100 Institute Rd. | | Internet: greyelf@wpi.wpi.edu Worcester, Ma 01609 | | User #20 at H.U.G.E. Bit Bucket | | Disclaimer: Who me? I was in Mexico buying drugs at the time! | +------------------------------------------------------------------+
jerryk@pro-beagle.cts.com (Jerry Kindall) (03/04/89)
I have heard mention of Apple2-L and the listserver at brownvm but have been unable to get any mail to them from pro-beagle. I even tried that // JOB statement that someone posted a while back. I don't get ANY response at all, not even a "bad address" report of some kind. Can anyone help me get an index of the software from pro-beagle? - Jerry Kindall crash!pnet01!pro-beagle!jerryk
SEWALL@UCONNVM.BITNET (Murph Sewall) (03/07/89)
>I have heard mention of Apple2-L and the listserver at brownvm but have been >unable to get any mail to them from pro-beagle. I even tried that // JOB >statement that someone posted a while back. I don't get ANY response at all, >not even a "bad address" report of some kind. Can anyone help me get an index >of the software from pro-beagle? Alas, it has proven IMPOSSIBLE to set the current version of LISTSERV to serve UUCP nodes. It's a wonder that we manage to get the originals mailed to UUCP addresses. The author of the software IS aware of the problem, BUT he has a full time job, and believe it or not, LISTSERV is a *volunteer* effort (in spite of its widespread use and BITNET/EARN/NETNORTH's dependence on it :-( Alas, pro-beagle will have to live (for now) with an APPLE2-L that delivers all the functionality of comp.binaries.apple2 Murph Sewall Vaporware? ---> [Gary Larson returns 1/1/90] Prof. of Marketing Sewall@UConnVM.BITNET Business School sewall%uconnvm.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu [INTERNET] U of Connecticut {psuvax1 or mcvax }!UCONNVM.BITNET!SEWALL [UUCP] -+- I don't speak for my employer, though I frequently wish that I could (subject to change without notice; void where prohibited) According to the American Facsimile Association, more than half the calls from Japan to the U.S. are fax calls. FAX it to me at: 1-203-486-5246
GREYELF@WPI.BITNET (04/10/89)
>I am getting tired of listening to you whine about the APPLE2-L list >server. If I was Christopher Chung (or Murphy Sewall), I would place >your contributions on the very bottom of the pile of files to be >distributed. Come on, these guys are doing all of us a great service >(and for no pay at that). We sure don't need people like you running >off at the mouth. >------------------------------------------------------------------- >J. Douglas Ashbrook (301) 496-5181 >BITNET: JDA@NIHCU ARPA: jda%nihcu.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu >National Institutes of Health, Computer Center, Bethesda, MD 20892 I received Daemon 2.0 in my mailbox today, I posted it over a week ago if memory serves. And I do not mean to intentionally rag on anyone, certainly not Murph, or Chris. But people should realize that a new version of Daemon is available if they look around, but not to expect it to reach them for a while. Murph and Chris are voulenteers, as am I. It will be a cold day in hell before I rag on a voulenteer for not making this their primary duty. Murph, Chris, any insult taken was not intended. -- Michael J Pender Jr Box 1942 c/o W.P.I. I wrote SHELL and Daemon, greyelf@wpi.bitnet 100 Institute Rd. send bug reports, suggestions, greyelf@wpi.wpi.com Worcester, Ma 01609 checks to me. People keep asking me if Shell or Daemon are compatible with the IIc, IIe. YES, I wrote them on my Laser 128. Now they also work on the gs, so the only apple they don't work on is a mac (heh, heh). Tell you what, you buy me a GS, I'll write stuff for it...
j_p@pro-lep.cts.com (Jason Perez) (05/18/89)
How do I get access to Apple2-L? I have an account on the VAX at Texas
A&M University and it has something called Bitnet on it. I'm accessing the
net from a BBS right now. Is there a way to get on Apple2-L from my VAX
account?
Jason Perez
J0P7771@TAMVENUSJDA@NIHCU.BITNET (Doug Ashbrook) (05/19/89)
> How do I get access to Apple2-L? I have an account on the VAX at Texas > A&M University and it has something called Bitnet on it. I'm accessing the > net from a BBS right now. Is there a way to get on Apple2-L from my VAX > account? > Jason Perez > J0P7771@TAMVENUS Send mail to ===> LISTSERV@BROWNVM <=== notice commands go to LISTSERV not to the listname!!!! SUBSCRIBE APPLE2-L your_1st_name your_last_name SIGNOFF APPLE2-L or UNSUBSCRIBE APPLE2-L you might find it very helpful to mail LISTSERV@BROWNVM (or any other handy LISTSERV) the following commands: INFO REF INFO GEN -------------------------------------------------------------------- J. Douglas Ashbrook (301) 496-5181 BITNET: JDA@NIHCU <-- preferred address INTERNET: JDA@CU.NIH.GOV or jda%nihcu.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu National Institutes of Health, Computer Center, Bethesda, MD 20892 -+- Remember. If some weirdo in a blue suit offers you some MS-DOS, JUST SAY NO!
m.tiernan@pro-angmar.UUCP (Michael Tiernan) (05/19/89)
Network Comment: to #571 by obsolete!JDA%NIHCU.BITNET%cunyvm.cuny.edu Thank you Mr Ashbrook. Its amazing that after all this time someone finally figured out that instead of FLAMING the request for information, simply sending a short note to explain it would serve many in a larger capacity. Thank you again for explaining how to access apple2-l. BTW, My mother warned me about talking to strangers in blue suits. << MCT >> BCS Apple/Boston Connection [MCT] (617) 893-5681 GEnie M.Tiernan AppleLinkPE M Tiernan BCS Net Michael Tiernan obsolete!pro-angmar!m.tiernan@bloom-beacon.mit.edu obsolete!pro-angmar!m.tiernan@bu-it.bu.edu pro-angmar!m.tiernan@obsolete.uucp m.tiernan@pro-angmar.cts.com
SEWALL@UCONNVM.BITNET (Murph Sewall) (05/19/89)
> How do I get access to Apple2-L? I have an account on the VAX at Texas >A&M University and it has something called Bitnet on it. I'm accessing the >net from a BBS right now. Is there a way to get on Apple2-L from my VAX >account? First you'll need to learn to use a LISTSERV (please do, so you don't drive us all nuts). Find a handy LISTSERV (you can send email to LISTSERV@BITNIC but you'll get files sooner if you find a closer one -- I believe one of the Texas A&M nodes has a LISTSERV). email to LISTSERV@node (subject ignored) INFO REF INFO GEN LIST GL You'll get instructions about using a LISTSERV and a list of lists (one of which is APPLE2-L, so you'll not only learn how to subscribe, you'll find out where it is :-) You also can subscribe to comp.sys.apple (known as INFO-APP on BITNET) which may be more convenient than reading the list on pro-lep. Other useful files (one of which will even give you a list of LISTSERV's so you can find one nearby) email to NETSERV@BITNIC GET BITNET USERHELP GET BITNET SERVERS Murph Sewall Vaporware? ---> [Gary Larson returns 1/1/90] Prof. of Marketing Sewall@UConnVM.BITNET Business School sewall%uconnvm.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu [INTERNET] U of Connecticut {psuvax1 or mcvax }!UCONNVM.BITNET!SEWALL [UUCP] (203) 486-5246 [FAX] (203) 486-2489 [PHONE] 41 49N 72 15W [ICBM] -+- I don't speak for my employer, though I frequently wish that I could (subject to change without notice; void where prohibited)
krb20699@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (05/22/89)
What you need to do is send mail to LISTSERV@BROWNVM.BITNET. The note
should have "SUB APPLE2-L <Your Name>" in it; nothing else is necessary.
This will sign you up to Apple2-L. There's also a general reference card,
and complete docs for LISTSERV, and I would suggest reading them. The message
that you receive after your signup will tell you how to get this info.
After you've signed up, send any commands to the LISTSERV address, and
if you want to send a note to all APPLE2-L subscribers, send it to APPLE2-L
at the same site. BROWNVM.BITNET is the site I use from the University of
Illinois. It may channel you to a site closer to you for efficiency purposes.
This site would be the one to use in future mailings.
Ken.
krb20699@uxa.cso.uiuc.eduTHOMASON@UONEURO.UOREGON.EDU (07/29/89)
Can anyone send me mail detailing how to use the Apple2-L feed to get files, or whatever? I've heard alot about it, but I really don't know how to use it. Sorry if this isn't the place to post this question, but I don't know where else to go. Please include examples, ok? Thanks alot.
sno@sno-1.UUCP (Stephen N. Opal) (08/25/89)
I am posting this message blind, as I never read this newsgroup. Please ignore unless you are Christopher Chung at Brownvm.BITNET, or you can forward this message for me... I'm beginning to wish I never subscribed to APPLE2-L as I cannot get through to turn off the flow. My account is getting blitzed by the downloads, BUT I DON'T EVEN OWN AN APPLE ANY MORE. This is not a flame of Apple Corporation or it's products... I made my decision with my pocketbook. However, I want off of the APPLE2-L distribution list. I would never post to the net like this if I wasn't a desperate man. I've mailed directly to Mr. Chung, Mr. Nakada, and comp.binaries.apple2 and tried every variation of mailer address for the last 4 months with absolutely no relief!!!! If I don't get a bounce, I still never hear from these individuals... and the flow continues. My respect for the work that it takes to keep the software flowing is certainly high, but when I can't get any help in stopping the excessive amount of software to my account that I have absolutely no interest in, my patience wears thin. Since the only response I will ever see to this posting will be the halting of the tide of compressed and asciified files, or the mail of some helpful user who can assure me that things are being taken care of... you all will be responding to this posting without the benefit of my ability to read it. I hate to use the Usenet newsfeed to distribute this plea across the northern hemisphere, but perhaps there are other users who could discover a clean and quick way to resign from the APPLE2-L list by learning from my experience. I want to be noticed... and I want my name off the list. ------------------> mailrus!clip!m-net!sno <--------------------
SEWALL@UCONNVM.BITNET (Murph Sewall) (08/27/89)
>I am posting this message blind, as I never read this newsgroup. Please >ignore unless you are Christopher Chung at Brownvm.BITNET, or you can >forward this message for me... You'll be pleased to know that Chris isn't the only one that can help you out :-) You were UNSUBscribed Saturday evening. >I'm beginning to wish I never subscribed to APPLE2-L as I cannot get >through to turn off the flow. My account is getting blitzed by the Somehow you got through ONCE (at least) to get put ON the subsciber list (with an address you'd have no hope of signing off from yourself). It really shouldn't be hard to get mail to BITNET (others on m-net don't seem to have much trouble). Did you try just sending a "reply" to the mail from APPLE2-L (which Chris reads as he moderates APPLE2-L)? For the many of you who continue to receive APPLE2-L but may wish to sign off someday, the LISTSERV (robot) won't do it automatically (in response to an emailed command) *unless* the 'From:' address containing the signoff command matches EXACTLY (including upper/lower case) your address on the subscriber list. If you're on a UUCP host (or one that uses 'bang' format addresses), chances are really good that Chris or I will have to handle your subscription manually. >I've mailed directly to Mr. Chung, Mr. Nakada, and comp.binaries.apple2 >and tried every variation of mailer address for the last 4 months with >absolutely no relief!!!! Sounds like a World record for patience. Did it ever occur to you to ask postmaster@m-net for instructions on how to get mail to BITNET (My personal experience is that Chris DOES read his mail AND does manually unsubscribe those who ask)? >------------------> mailrus!clip!m-net!sno <-------------------- A more complete .sig WOULD be helpful!!! The various gateways between the point where you injected your plea into the USENET feed and here so munged your address that I would be hard pressed to get a reply back to you had I not access to the address that APPLE2-L has been using (apparently with ALARMING success :-) user@m-net.uucp is sufficient from BITNET. You are likely to continue getting APPLE2-L for a few days as there are a number of LARGE files (tech notes courtesy of Mark Johnson) which have already been mailed but probably haven't arrived yet due to the fact that small files take precedence over large ones. Murph Sewall Vaporware? ---> [Gary Larson returns 1/1/90] Prof. of Marketing Sewall@UConnVM.BITNET Business School sewall%uconnvm.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu [INTERNET] U of Connecticut {psuvax1 or mcvax }!UCONNVM.BITNET!SEWALL [UUCP] (203) 486-5246 [FAX] (203) 486-2489 [PHONE] 41 49N 72 15W [ICBM] The opposite of artificial intelligence is genuine stupidity! -+- I don't speak for my employer, though I frequently wish that I could (subject to change without notice; void where prohibited)
jm7e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jeremy G. Mereness) (11/18/89)
I used try and deal with the LISTERV.@BROWNVM server, but there is a little snag with that beast. It likes to send directory listings and other things in "lpunch" format, which is a bizaare encryption not unlike Postscript source code to handle output that is more than 80 columns long. In the info file on lpunch, there are two programs written in C and Pascal to perform the necessary translation. Neither of them have worked on my local Unix or VMS systems, and both have disclaimers of not being supported. Anyone have any luck with these or develop a working routine before I try again to debug this stuff? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | Jeremy Mereness | Support | Disclaimer: | | jm7e+@andrew.cmu.edu (internet) | Free | The above represent my | | r746jm7e@cmccvb (Vax... bitnet) | Software | opinions, alone. | | a student at Carnegie Mellon U. | | Void where prohibited. | -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
ART100@PSUVM.PSU.EDU ("Andy Tefft 862-6728", 814) (11/18/89)
>I used try and deal with the LISTERV.@BROWNVM server, but there is a >little snag with that beast. It likes to send directory listings and >other things in "lpunch" format, which is a bizaare encryption not >unlike Postscript source code to handle output that is more than 80 >columns long. I was going to just reply personally, but I think this is of general interest. From INFO REFCARD (from listserv@psuvm, v1.6c): GET fn ft <filelist> <F=fformat> Obtain the specified file For compatibility with Netserv: GETND fn ft <filelist> Same as GET but Netdata format GETDD fn ft <filelist> Same as GET but Disk Dump format GETPP fn ft <filelist> Same as GET but Punch format GET80 fn ft <filelist> Same as GET but Punch format INDex <filelist> <F=fformat> Sends you the desired FILELIST. Same as GET xxxx FILELIST. The F=format option also works for the 'info' command and some others. Get the full refcard (with 'info refcard') for full info. I have written programs to decode lpunch files (in Rexx, not of general usefulness) but now things come to me in netdata anyway.
yk4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Yong Su Kim) (11/21/89)
I have heard people mention apple2-l several times but I don't know what it is. Is it a FTP site which can be accessed from normal FTP or is it some kind of file transfer site you access through uucp? Please post your replies because one reply is more than enough for a simple enquiry like this. Thanks for the help. _____________________________________________________________________________ |Internet: yk4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu ||||||||||||||Yong Su Kim|||||||||||||| |Bitnet : yk4@cunixc ||||||||The Korean from Hong Kong|||||| |UUCP : rutgers!columbia!cunixc!yk4 ||||||||||...Apple IIGS user...|||||||| |_______________________________________|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||