UNESTJ@UNCVX1.BITNET (Tamara) (11/10/89)
I am not in favor of this idea either.
Time : 9-NOV-1989 18:58:24.26
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UNESTJ@uncvx1.bitnet
<Tamara>lbotez@pro-sol.cts.com (Lynda Botez) (11/10/89)
In-Reply-To: message from UNESTJ%UNCVX1.BITNET@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu I personally think the apple2.tech forum is a cop-out for the people from Apple who don't want to hear any kind of criticism from the established user base. However, if the posts keep multiplying like they seem to be doing these days, I suppose it could be useful to separate the stuff. Lynda
PATZNER@DBNINF5.BITNET (11/10/89)
I don't like this idea very much as long as there is no cross-posting to
a similar Internet mailing list. i've subscribed to INFO-APP mainly for
the things you want to put into this new list and I don't think I can
convince our UNIX group to subscribe to that feed too. And I don't think
I'm the only one on Bitnet...
Achim
(Patzner@DBNINF5.bitnet; if that won't work, try {anything}!unido!bnu!patzner)farrier@Apple.COM (Cary Farrier) (11/10/89)
In article <8911091858.aa21347@SMOKE.BRL.MIL> UNESTJ@UNCVX1.BITNET (Tamara) writes: > I am not in favor of this idea either. Not to sound scarcastic, but could you please explain why? The purpose of the "call for discussion" is to bring up the pros and cons of creating the newsgroup, and (hopefully), iron out the wrinkles. > UNESTJ@uncvx1.bitnet ><Tamara> Cary Farrier -- +--------------+-------------------------+ | Cary Farrier | farrier@apple.com | +--------------+-------------------------+
farrier@Apple.COM (Cary Farrier) (11/10/89)
In article <13396.apple.net@pro-sol> lbotez@pro-sol.cts.com (Lynda Botez) writes: >In-Reply-To: message from UNESTJ%UNCVX1.BITNET@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu > >I personally think the apple2.tech forum is a cop-out for the people from >Apple who don't want to hear any kind of criticism from the established user >base. I don't think so. What's to stop people from posting the same criticism in the tech forum? The point of the new forum is to separate articles from articles, not to separate Apple from Users. >Lynda Cary Farrier -- +--------------+-------------------------+ | Cary Farrier | farrier@apple.com | +--------------+-------------------------+
abc@BRL.MIL (Brinton Cooper) (11/10/89)
The reason that folks at Bitnet sites are not in favor of comp.sys.apple2.tech is that, in general, Bitnet sites do not get Usenet news. No doubt, you read comp.sys.apple via Usenet. However, I read your note via a mailing list on the Internet (used to be known as Arpanet). The mailing list, info-apple, is quite the precursor to comp.sys.apple. However, I am disbanding info-apple for reasons explained elsewhere. There seems to be no plan to gateway comp.sys.apple2.tech (or comp.sys.apple for that matter) to the Internet. Since Bitnet/Internet gateways are the only way that the Bitnet folks have access to info-apple, creation of the new group means that they will lose access to the discussions for which most of them signed up. Folks who have loaded up this newsgroup and mailing list with the electronic sludge of irrelevant discussions about piracy, the future of Apple Computer, Inc, and profanity on the net share much of the responsibility for the pending changes. _Brint
rankins@zaire.crd.ge.com (raymond r rankins) (11/10/89)
In article <13396.apple.net@pro-sol> lbotez@pro-sol.cts.com (Lynda Botez) writes: >In-Reply-To: message from UNESTJ%UNCVX1.BITNET@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu > >I personally think the apple2.tech forum is a cop-out for the people from >Apple who don't want to hear any kind of criticism from the established user >base. I think the DTS people are here to lend "Technical Support", not emotional support. If you want to send criticism to someone at Apple, you could always send it email or mail it the old fashioned way. But that would probably require a little more effort. BTW: I volunteered to collect complaints to send to Apple a couple of days ago, and so far, only one person has sent me anything. Kind of hard to compile a list of complaints from only one. Come on people, if you want to see some changes at Apple, you have to take some action. Ray --- Ray Rankins | (518) 387-7340 | INTERNET: rankins@zaire.crd.ge.com 2 Moonglow Rd. | (518) 583-3320 | COMPUSERVE: 71131,3236 Gansevoort, NY 12831 | | AmericaOnline: RayRankins <insert standard disclaimer here>
cwilson@NISC.SRI.COM (Chan Wilson) (11/12/89)
In article <13396.apple.net@pro-sol> lbotez@pro-sol.cts.com (Lynda Botez) writes: >In-Reply-To: message from UNESTJ%UNCVX1.BITNET@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu > >I personally think the apple2.tech forum is a cop-out for the people from >Apple who don't want to hear any kind of criticism from the established user >base. > >However, if the posts keep multiplying like they seem to be doing these days, >I suppose it could be useful to separate the stuff. > >Lynda Argh. Look, take a gander at what has happened over in comp.sys.mac. They have split off comp.sys.mac into *four* other groups, mac.digest, mac.hypercard mac.programmer, and most recently, mac.hardware. These splits took place because there was too much traffic for the people to sift through. I've seen the number of articles on comp.sys.apple skyrocket in the past couple months; it *is* getting harder to sift through all the other articles, whether they be "I can't get KERMIT to work," or bitching and moaning about Apple Co. non-activity. There is a precedent for this; so what's the problem? Sure, the traffic may not be great, but that's far better than sifting through 100+ articles to find the answer to your question, eh? --Chan Wilson ................ Computer Operator, SRI International Genius has limits, stupidity is boundless, just look around you. I've grown weary of imbeciles on the net. cwilson@nisc.sri.com or cwilson@nic.ddn.mil ................ -- --Chan Wilson `and now for something completely different.' Flamingo coloured penguins and banana coloured grapes. cwilson@nisc.sri.com or cwilson@nic.ddn.mil
jasona@pro-houston.cts.com (Jason Asbahr) (11/13/89)
A newsfeed devoted totally to Apple technical stuff? I'd love it! Pure
(relatively) Apple hacker fun. So how do I official vote YES?
-Jason Asbahr, clattering away at pro-houstonjb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jawaid Bazyar) (11/13/89)
I think splitting the newsgroups would be a good idea, with the apple2
in the name an even better idea (even with their own newsfiles, Mac people
still occasionally post here).
But we really should be figuring out what we're going to do to help our
BITNET friends. Brint Cooper- what is involved in handling a distribution
link such as info-apple? There are several machines here at the U of I that
don't do much besides handle staff accounts (i.e. not much at all) that might
be okay for the job. If the task is not a difficult one, it might be possible
to convince my SysAdmin to do this.
But you'll have to help. Send me mail on this.
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Why do their shadows bow in fear?philip@pro-generic.cts.com (Philip McDunnough) (11/13/89)
In-Reply-To: message from crdgw1!zaire!rankins@uunet.uu.net
The group can presumably provide emotional support between members,can't it?
This has nothing to do with the Apple people here. Maybe you only received one
reply because people are more or less happy with their GS's. Everyone in the
computer world is aware that things are changing rapidly.I really can't
believe that the people in a position to decide are unaware as to what
direction the GS should head in terms of improved technology.Consequently I
don't see the point in sending "bagfulls" of letters to the Apple management.
Philip McDunnough ->philip@utstat.toronto.edu
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: [my opinions.]farrier@Apple.COM (Cary Farrier) (11/14/89)
In article <2503.cortland.info-apple@pro-houston> jasona@pro-houston.cts.com (Jason Asbahr) writes: >A newsfeed devoted totally to Apple technical stuff? I'd love it! Pure >(relatively) Apple hacker fun. So how do I official vote YES? > > -Jason Asbahr, clattering away at pro-houston Sorry, I should have made that clear in my call for discussion. These are the tentative dates I have scheduled : 11/09/89 - 12/09/89 Discussion of the creation of the new newsgroup. (30 days) 12/09/89 - 12/30/89 Voting session. (21 days) 01/05/89 Creation (hopefully) of new newsgroup Please note that these dates are tentative, they will change as needed to accomodate an extended discussion period, if required. Cary Farrier -- +--------------+-------------------------+ | Cary Farrier | farrier@apple.com | +--------------+-------------------------+
bsherman@mthvax.cs.miami.edu (Bob Sherman) (11/14/89)
I am in full agreement with the need for a seperate comp.sys.apple2.tech
group. The need is certainly there. The only thing open in my mind is
the name of the group.. Four words seems like a lot to me, do we need
the sys in the name? and do we need a 2 or a II or a ii to signify
appleII or appleii?
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>> Oldest Apple support board in Southeast. Now in it's ninth year. <<tomk@pro-grouch.cts.com (Tom Kelly) (11/16/89)
In-Reply-To: message from jasona@pro-houston.cts.com I'd love to see a technical only newsfeed. Most of my interest is of a technical nature. I feel why bore people who are not interested. Also if it were seperate, sysops who didn't want to carry technical stuff would not get stuck paying phone bills for stuff they don't even want. UUCP: crash!pro-grouch!tomk ARPA: crash!pro-grouch!tomk@nosc.mil
steven@.ucalgary.ca (Steven Leikeim) (11/22/89)
In article <5159@internal.Apple.COM> farrier@Apple.COM (Cary Farrier) writes: >These are the tentative dates I have scheduled : > > 11/09/89 - 12/09/89 Discussion of the creation of the > new newsgroup. (30 days) > 12/09/89 - 12/30/89 Voting session. (21 days) > 01/05/89 Creation (hopefully) of new newsgroup ^^^^^^^^ Are you using a new product that we don't know about yet. You know, the new Apple IIGSx++e with builtin time warp generator!!!! Of course, to run the time warp generator you need a 512MHz 65864 with 37 Gb of memory and 5,000 Gb of hard disk. But the important question here is when will this system be available and will I be able to upgrade my present IIGS (at minimal cost, of course). Just in case .... :-) :-) :-) Steven Leikeim | University of Calgary | There are lies, damned lies, Department of Electrical Engineering | and statistics. .uunet!{ubc-cs,utai,alberta}!calgary!enel!steven
farrier@Apple.COM (Cary Farrier) (11/23/89)
In article <2132@cs-spool.calgary.UUCP> steven@enel.UCalgary.ca (Steven Leikeim) writes: >Are you using a new product that we don't know about yet. You know, the new >Apple IIGSx++e with builtin time warp generator!!!! Of course, to run the >time warp generator you need a 512MHz 65864 with 37 Gb of memory and >5,000 Gb of hard disk. > >But the important question here is when will this system be available and will >I be able to upgrade my present IIGS (at minimal cost, of course). Sorry, but we can't comment on any new products we may or may not be working on :-). > >Just in case .... :-) :-) :-) > >Steven Leikeim | >University of Calgary | There are lies, damned lies, >Department of Electrical Engineering | and statistics. >.uunet!{ubc-cs,utai,alberta}!calgary!enel!steven Cary Farrier -- +---------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Cary Farrier | Internet : farrier@apple.com | | Apple II Systems Software Engineering | UUCP : apple!farrier | | Apple Computer, Inc. | Fax : (408) 974-1704 | | 20525 Mariani Ave. | AppleLink : FARRIER | | Cupertino, CA 95014 | or farrier@applelink.apple.com | +---------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | I don't speak for Apple Computer, our products do. | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+