carlb@pro-avalon.cts.COM (Carl Boernecke) (03/06/88)
If anyone would like me to, I can upload a file that describes most of the popular packing/squeezing/etc programs, and gives a slight description of where to get them, and what they do. All who would like me to upload this file, just raise your hand(s)...
SASQUATCH@ALBION.BITNET (05/14/88)
Does anyone know there is any interaction between GEnie and bitnet? I know that pro-line has a bitnet feed. I wondered if GEnie had the same kind of thing. E-mail responses directly to me. Thanks in advance Kevin Lepard Bitnet: SASQUATCH@ALBION
kermie@pro-lep.cts.com (Prince Kermie) (06/14/89)
I've heard rumors about 2 new MAC fsts, am MSDOS fsts and an official disk format GS.OS FSTS to be released with the final version of 5.0 when it becomes available..is there any truth to these rumors?
farrier@Apple.COM (Cary Farrier) (06/14/89)
In article <8906132356.AA22785@crash.cts.com> pnet01!pro-nsfmat!pro-lep!kermie@nosc.mil writes: >I've heard rumors about 2 new MAC fsts, am MSDOS fsts and an official disk >format GS.OS FSTS to be released with the final version of 5.0 when it becomes >available..is there any truth to these rumors? The only new FST on System Disk 5.0 will be the AppleShare FST. What do you mean by "an official disk format GS.OS FSTS"? Cary Farrier +------------------------------------+ | #include "All.Standard.Disclaimers"| +------------------------------------+
lmb7421@ultb.UUCP (L.M. Barstow) (06/15/89)
In article <32419@apple.Apple.COM> farrier@Apple.COM (Cary Farrier) writes: >In article <8906132356.AA22785@crash.cts.com> pnet01!pro-nsfmat!pro-lep!kermie@nosc.mil writes: >>MSDOS fsts and an official disk >>format GS.OS FSTS to be released with the final version of 5.0 > The only new FST on System Disk 5.0 will be the AppleShare FST. > What do you mean by "an official disk format GS.OS FSTS"? I haven't heard about any plans to release either of these products, but I would like to comment... 1) we can't read MSDOS disks with the drives we have for the GS, and so, an MSDOS FST is not likely until there is a working MSDOS drive which works sans PC-Transporter (R), and a driver to support it. 2) It would be nice to see a native-mode FST (something akin to Mac HFS but taking advantage of what the GS needs are and what GS/OS is capable of... For example... a) GS/OS can handle any length (within reasonable limits) filename, with any characters possible (as opposed to ProDOS, which is, IMHO, Extremely limited.) b) GS/OS can handle volumes of large size (2 TBlocks!?), which, could conceivably come in handy with the advent of larger hard drives and more importantly, CD-read/write drives (due this winter to the public market?), whereas the current volume restrictions are 32 Meg I could go on here, but instead of taking up more bandwidth, I think you get the point. GS/OS is capable of much more than the ProDOS FST allows it. -- Les Barstow LMB7421@RITVAX.BITNET ...rutgers!rochester!ritcv!ultb!lmb7421.UUCP "I know you think you know what you thought I said, but you don't realize that what you thought I said was not what I meant"
jason@madnix.UUCP (Jason Blochowiak) (06/17/89)
In article <32419@apple.Apple.COM> farrier@Apple.COM (Cary Farrier) writes: >In an article pnet01!pro-nsfmat!pro-lep!kermie@nosc.mil writes: >> [Some stuff about rumored FSTs on SysDisk 5.0] > > The only new FST on System Disk 5.0 will be the AppleShare FST. Doesn't AppleShare effectively "interpret" HFS? If this is the case, then it would seem that a MFS/HFS FST (or FSTs) wouldn't be a whole lot different, with the major exception being where the lower level info comes from (AppleTalk vs. a disk). > What do you mean by "an official disk format GS.OS FSTS"? I think there are still a number of people who can't quite make a clean break between an OS and a File System and, as such, really expect there to be a specific "GS/OS" disk format of some sort. I think that this is becoming a bit more confusing because of the ProDOS 8 incompatibilities introduced - namely forked files. So, is it REALLY ProDOS, or is it a "GS/OS specific ProDOS"? It seems a bit more like the latter to me... I personally would have preferred leaving the ProDOS filesystem alone, and using HFS for partitions, but then again, I'm not in control of this stuff :) >Cary Farrier -- --------8<------------------------------------------------------------8<-------- jason@madnix.UUCP "I am opposed 180 degrees" - George Bush, master mixer of metaphors. (Is the IInix mailing group still out there?)
dlyons@Apple.COM (David Lyons) (06/20/89)
In article <691@madnix.UUCP> jason@madnix.UUCP (Jason Blochowiak) writes: >Doesn't AppleShare effectively "interpret" HFS? If this is the case, >then it would seem that a MFS/HFS FST (or FSTs) wouldn't be a whole lot >different, with the major exception being where the lower level info comes >from (AppleTalk vs. a disk). > jason@madnix.UUCP No, the interpretatin of HFS is done *on the AppleShare server*, not in your GS. There's no way to do a block read or block write of an AppleShare volume. The AppleShare FST uses high-level network protocols to talk to the server. --Dave Lyons, Apple Computer, Inc. | DAL Systems AppleLink--Apple Edition: DAVE.LYONS | P.O. Box 875 AppleLink--Personal Edition: Dave Lyons | Cupertino, CA 95015-0875 GEnie: D.LYONS2 or DAVE.LYONS CompuServe: 72177,3233 Internet/BITNET: dlyons@apple.com UUCP: ...!ames!apple!dlyons My opinions are my own, not Apple's.
farrier@Apple.COM (Cary Farrier) (06/20/89)
In article <691@madnix.UUCP> jason@madnix.UUCP (Jason Blochowiak) writes: > Doesn't AppleShare effectively "interpret" HFS? If this is the case, >then it would seem that a MFS/HFS FST (or FSTs) wouldn't be a whole lot >different, with the major exception being where the lower level info comes >from (AppleTalk vs. a disk). Indirectly, yes. It will also indirectly interpret any Sun file servers (I've never seen one, just saw it mentioned here before), or anybody that registers themselves on the network as an AFP server, and follows the AFP protocol. There actually would be a very large difference between the two FST's (AppleShare and HFS), because the FST *is* the low level interface (well, actually the driver is...), and has to interpret all the raw data, and make sense of it. >So, is it REALLY ProDOS, or is it a >"GS/OS specific ProDOS"? It seems a bit more like the latter to me... It really is ProDOS, but with added features. The ProDOS FST adds the "Extended" file storage type, and automatically sparses files on writing. Just like the IIGS is an Apple II, but a IIe can't run GS Specific programs. Cary Farrier +------------------------------------+ | #include "All.Standard.Disclaimers"| +------------------------------------+
mattd@Apple.COM (Matt Deatherage) (06/20/89)
In article <691@madnix.UUCP> jason@madnix.UUCP (Jason Blochowiak) writes: > > Doesn't AppleShare effectively "interpret" HFS? If this is the case, >then it would seem that a MFS/HFS FST (or FSTs) wouldn't be a whole lot >different, with the major exception being where the lower level info comes >from (AppleTalk vs. a disk). > >--------8<------------------------------------------------------------8<-------- > jason@madnix.UUCP > "I am opposed 180 degrees" - George Bush, master mixer of metaphors. > (Is the IInix mailing group still out there?) Well, no. Not really. AppleShare is it's own file system which is more or less largely closely related not quite to HFS. Dates are interpreted differently, for one thing, and there are others that make AppleShare a file system that is compatible with HFS but not identical. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Deatherage, Apple Computer, Inc. | "The opinions expressed in this tome Send PERSONAL mail ONLY (please) to: | should not be construed to imply that AppleLink PE: Matt DTS GEnie: AIIDTS | Apple Computer, Inc., or any of its CompuServe: 76703,3030 | subsidiaries, in whole or in part, Usenet: mattd@apple.com | have any opinion on any subject." UUCP: (other stuff)!ames!apple!mattd | "So there." -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
gt0t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Gregory Ross Thompson) (12/02/89)
I've got 1.25 megs right now, and I'm hiting the limits of my memory. Is there an economical way for me to upgrade? If I get a large memory card, then my card AND chips will be useless. What's my best deal? -Greg T.