roller@procyon.cis.ohio-state.edu (jonny c. roller) (03/01/89)
Beagle Bros are still alive and well, but they've shifted their production
from general programming aids to AppleWorks utilities. These include pop-up
calculators, spelling checkers and notepads. Another powerful and profit-
able AppleWorks add-on is a macro package that allows for pre-programmed
sequences to be executed along with some neat 'if-then-else' logic and 'peek-
ing', 'poking' and 'calling'.
I had heard that they were trying to create a similar type of software for
AppleWorks GS, but they found it too slow and buggy for it to be worthwhile.
But I wouldn't hold my breath for new software similar to what they used to
write. They're busy writing accounting and telecommunication packages for
AppleWorks, I believe.
Jonny Roller roller@cis.ohio-state.edurich@pro-exchange.cts.COM (Rich Sims) (11/25/89)
If the following doesn't apply to you, just skip it... -- FLAME ON -- You people are absolutely amazing! Beagle Bros (a well respected company with a record of providing customer satisfaction that's as good as any in the industry) decides to make certain of it's software products available for free, and places a few minor conditions on the offer. How do you respond? By bitching about the way they're making them available, trying to figure out ways around the conditions, and even demanding that BB do "more" by sending the software to someplace where it's more easily accessible to you (or more cheaply!) They have neither a legal nor a moral obligation to do any of this, and the griping really provides a lot of incentive for them to continue, or for other companies to follow suit. Nice going! When somebody offers you something for free, why is is so hard to just accept it and say "Thanks!"... rather than demanding that they must do it "your way"? Who =CARES= what conditions they may impose? If they only want you to run the software when the moon is full and the stars are right, so what? That's their prerogative! It's not like they're asking you to =PAY= for the software. If you think the conditions are excessively restrictive, feel free to register your discontent by refusing to accept or use the things that have been offered to you. That'll show 'em! What a wonderfully reasonable bunch of folks we have in the Apple world! -- FLAME OFF -- Rich Sims UUCP: crash!pro-exchange!rich ARPA: crash!pro-exchange!rich@nosc.mil INET: rich@pro-exchange.cts.com
krb20699@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (11/27/89)
setenv FLAME = on
Unless you believe suggestions are direct implications that Beagle Bros
is screwing up, your argument is not quite right. I was making a suggestion
of what I felt would be more beneficial to the Apple II community. If my
words were perceived to be whines to Beagle Bros, they weren't meant that
way. I said several times I wasn't complaining, and I also said several
times that I think Beagle is doing a great thing. What gives?
Beagle could start making doggie-doo scoopers for all I care: I don't
have direct control over them, nor did I have the faintest intention of
putting them down! If Beagle Bros has this attitude of crushing any
suggestions, they won't see any more of my money.
As for your thoughts that the Apple II community was DEMANDING their
own terms for their software, you're full of it. I don't see one "I demand"
or anything nearly similar! The software is not free, as you say. Even though
the LD phone call would only be a couple bucks per program, it is _not_ free.
Period. I was suggesting (look it up, make sure you know what it means) that
more people could see Beagle's great programs (no sarcasm) if it was put
on a wider board. If Beagle is so numb to suggestions, I don't see why they
are the good company that they are!!!
What would also be a good idea is that this discussion be dropped.
Obviously anyone making suggestions are going to be ignored or just outright
bitched out.
I'm speaking for me and me alone. If someone did make an unusual demand
of Beagle Bros under your guidelines, fine, I'll agree with you. But I
haven't seen one YET. Don't dare blame the entire Apple II community for what
one person says out of line.
If you want the software, call Pro-Beagle. It's very nice of them to
do it. Just don't ask any questions; you'll be guillotined.
setenv FLAME = off
Nothing personal to anyone, really. This subject finally got under my
skin. I think a lot of recent topics are going too far, including the subject
of this note. Alright so I'm hypocritical: finals are coming up. :-(
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In article <8911260920.AA11839@trout.nosc.mil> rich@pro-exchange.cts.COM (Rich Sims) writes: >If the following doesn't apply to you, just skip it... > >-- FLAME ON -- > >You people are absolutely amazing! Beagle Bros (a well respected company >with a record of providing customer satisfaction that's as good as any in >the industry) decides to make certain of it's software products available >for free, and places a few minor conditions on the offer. > What conditions are you talking about? Not distributing the software they are currently still selling? Nobody has mentioned that. C'mon get real... It is clearly stated that they are allowing the programs that are on Pro-Beagle to be "freely distributed". It clearly says that and no other information has yet contradicted that. (Whoever posted that letter from A+/Incider misquoted the letter. Nowhere does it say that you cannot upload the old software to BBS, it merely says not to upload the stuff that is not currently on Pro-Beagle. When it gets on Pro-Beagle, then it is fair game for uploading. Now, I'm not trying to make Beagle Bros' policy for them, I'm simply restating what it CLEARLY says in their 1989 catalog and what Tom Weishaar said in his letter. Unless, we hear differently from Beagle Bros, I don't see why this distribution policy would change. >How do you respond? By bitching about the way they're making them >available, trying to figure out ways around the conditions, and blah blah blah blah... (ad nauseum...) >-- FLAME OFF -- >Rich Sims > Give it a rest, Rich. I really don't believe that your soapboxing contributed to the discussion whatsoever.
TSEMM@ALASKA.BITNET ("Ed 'Apple Guru' Moore") (11/30/89)
I've been following the discussion on the restrictions on the freeware and I think that begle brothers is wrong. From alaska the lower 48 is well in excess of 25 cents per minute. If it is freeware, why should I pay the phone company for the program insted. You must remember that it would take some time to find the program too, and get familar with the system. For the people in that area, good for them. But for the people outside local, paticually far away, it would be cheeper to buy the programs outright! Just a few comments................Ed
bsherman@mthvax.cs.miami.edu (Bob Sherman) (11/30/89)
In article <8911300223.AA04048@apple.com> TSEMM@ALASKA.BITNET ("Ed 'Apple Guru' Moore") writes: >I've been following the discussion on the restrictions on the freeware >and I think that begle brothers is wrong. From alaska the lower 48 is well >in excess of 25 cents per minute. If it is freeware, why should I pay the >phone company for the program insted. You must remember that it would >take some time to find the program too, and get familar with the system. >For the people in that area, good for them. But for the people outside >local, paticually far away, it would be cheeper to buy the programs outright! >Just a few comments................Ed Ah, but you fail to notice one very important aspect of their restrictions.. They say you may GIVE IT AWAY TO YOUR FRIENDS, and once that network gets going, and friends give it to friends, it should rather quickly make it's way around, even to the beautiful lands of Alaska since the US Mail still makes it's way around on appointed rounds there.. That should take care of those who find it too costly to get the programs by phone, but do check the per min rates for late night, I am in Florida and can call Alaska for less than 25 cents per min late at night, so I would think the west coast might be even cheaper... Perhaps if it were requested, Beagle might even make special provisions for those out of the "48" and overseas to get the programs on disk via mail for a reasonable service charge.. as they seem like very reasonable folks there, and no doubt realize that a phone transfer would be out of the question in those cases... -- bsherman@mthvax.cs.miami.edu | bsherman@pro-exchange | MCI MAIL: BSHERMAN >> Miami's Big Apple - 305-948-8000 - 24 hours - 300/1200 - PCP'able << >> Oldest Apple support board in Southeast. Now in it's ninth year. <<
sschneider@pro-exchange.cts.com (The RainForest BBS) (12/04/89)
In-Reply-To: message from TSEMM@ALASKA.BITNET Beagle is not =FORCING= anyone to take advantage of the damned programs.. geez! Don't call if it's such a hassle. Frankly I think it was a very nice gesture on their part and while I haven't called to take advantage of their generousity I see nothing wrong with the offer. /steve