CS656@OUACCVMB.BITNET (12/20/88)
>A mathematics teacher in the Ithaca School District (Ithaca, NY) has asked me >to inquire whether the Apple Educational Discount Program for Public School >Teachers still exists. If it does, how does he proceed to make contact with >it? In this area the educational discount is handled within a department of the university. Our local dealer cannot give the discount. Obviously the subject of educational discounts does not come up very often at the most logical place to check, which would be the local dealer. I would suggest that the teacher check with Cornell to see if they can put him in touch with the right person. If this doesn't work send me a note and I will ask the person who handles it locally to try to find out where the teacher should go for the discount.
rkh@mtune.ATT.COM (Robert Halloran) (12/21/88)
In article <8812200101.aa15387@SMOKE.BRL.MIL> CS656@OUACCVMB.BITNET writes: >A mathematics teacher in the Ithaca School District (Ithaca, NY) has asked me >to inquire whether the Apple Educational Discount Program for Public School >Teachers still exists. If it does, how does he proceed to make contact with >it? The program in question is called, I believe, 'Apple for the Teacher'. You need to contact a dealer, preferably one used to dealing with schools and inquire about it. Basically, you get a selection of packaged Apple ][ and Mac systems (example: ][GS 512K, 1 each 3.5" & 5.25" drives, RGB monitor) at roughly 40% off retail. You can also get an Imagewriter as part of the deal. You can only use this once, and your school has to provide some note on school letterhead saying you really are a teacher/principal/etc. The dealer's role is strictly to provide a drop point for Apple to ship to; the order form with payment goes directly to the Apple regional center (Charlotte NC for the east, I think; ours went there). We bought a GS package last summer through this program shortly after it began, and the turnaround was roughly 3 weeks. Hope this helps. Bob Halloran ========================================================================= UUCP: att!mtune!rkh Internet: rkh@mtune.ATT.COM USPS: 17 Lakeland Dr, Port Monmouth NJ 07758 DDD: 201-495-6621 eve ET Disclaimer: If you think AT&T would have ME as a spokesman, you're crazed. Quote: "History is made at night. Character is what you are in the dark!" - Dr. Lizardo, "Buckaroo Banzai"
erast1@cisunx.UUCP (Evan Ron Aussenberg) (12/22/88)
In article <7887@mtune.ATT.COM> rkh@mtune.UUCP (Robert Halloran) writes: >In article <8812200101.aa15387@SMOKE.BRL.MIL> CS656@OUACCVMB.BITNET writes: >>A mathematics teacher in the Ithaca School District (Ithaca, NY) has asked me >>to inquire whether the Apple Educational Discount Program for Public School >>Teachers still exists. If it does, how does he proceed to make contact with >>it? > >The program in question is called, I believe, 'Apple for the Teacher'. >You need to contact a dealer, preferably one used to dealing with schools >and inquire about it.... I bought my IIgs via this program. I'd ask the principal of the school for the Dealer's name. At my dealer there is a person who is the 'Educational Consultant.' And, she knows her stuff. The dealer will have all the proper forms for you fill out and get filled out by your principal. >Uou can only use this once... Not true any longer. The new policy I believe is that you may make use of the program every 2 years providing that each purchase is a different system. >the turnaround was roughly 3 weeks. True enough. I received mine in 2 weeds and 2 days. Good luck, Evan erast1@unix.cis.pittsburgh.edu erast1@cisunx.UUCP
halp@TCGOULD.TN.CORNELL.EDU ("Bruce P. Halpern") (12/22/88)
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JCKASPER@MTUS5.BITNET ("John C. Kasperski ", Otherwise known as Jc) (11/15/89)
Matt Deatherage writes: > Ahem...Apple *does* have educational prices for all its products. Most people > just don't happen to be schools. I have a question for you then... How does a college student purchase an Apple IIGS? The college bookstore on campus sells plenty of Mac's for a small discount (less than other bookstores), but refuses to even consider selling an Apple IIGS. Several of my friends are interested in the GS, but refuse to pay the overpriced retail cost. IF the bookstore sold the IIGS with an educational discount I'm sure they'd probably buy it. WHY isn't the Apple IIGS included in college bookstores? The demand *IS* there... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- John C. Kasperski, "Jc" Bitnet: JCKASPER @ MTUS5 Disclaimer: The only foolish question, is the one that goes unasked.
mattd@Apple.COM (Matt Deatherage) (11/15/89)
As Rick Fleischman has already pointed out, but bears repetition: I was merely trying to state that Apple has *educational* prices. If you're a school, you can buy Apple products at a discount. So then everyone says "so tell me why I can't buy a such-and-such at my school, huh?" Well, you're not a school. You're a student. Subtle though it may be, there is a difference. As to why Apple II products are not available at such-and-such a school (or most schools, or any schools) to students or faculty at a discount, I don't know. If I have a chance, I might try to find out. Everyone needs to calm down. I'm smiling through all this, but it's not easy sometimes. Take a deep breath. Type the names of ProDOS calls in rot13 mode. Count the memory used by AppleWorks GS if bytes were 7 bits long. Write your own version of GS/OS in AppleSoft. But try to relax. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Deatherage, Apple Computer, Inc. | "The opinions expressed in this tome Send PERSONAL mail ONLY (please) to: | should not be construed to imply that Amer. Online: Matt DTS | Apple Computer, Inc., or any of its ThisNet: mattd@apple.com | subsidiaries, in whole or in part, ThatNet: (stuff)!ames!apple!mattd | have any opinion on any subject." Other mail by request only, please. | "So there." -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
gwyn@smoke.BRL.MIL (Doug Gwyn) (11/16/89)
In article <8911141459.aa13231@SMOKE.BRL.MIL> JCKASPER@MTUS5.BITNET ("John C. Kasperski ", Otherwise known as Jc) writes: >WHY isn't the Apple IIGS included in college bookstores? Have you asked your bookstore WHY? What was their answer? I suspect there is a problem, but I don't know if it's Apple's, the bookstore's, yours, or what.
jm7e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jeremy G. Mereness) (11/16/89)
mattd@Apple.COM (Matt Deatherage) writes: > As Rick Fleischman has already pointed out, but bears repetition: > >So then everyone says "so tell me why I can't buy a such-and-such at my school > huh?" Well, you're not a school. You're a student. Subtle though it may > be, there is a difference. > > As to why Apple II products are not available at such-and-such a school (or > most schools, or any schools) to students or faculty at a discount, I don't > know. If I have a chance, I might try to find out. Please do. I am the President of the Apple // User's Group here at CMU. We have rather ambitious projects in various stages of seeing reality, most notably a TCP/IP program that would run through Appletalk/Kinetics fastpath gateways (If an Amiga and PC can do it....) The Local Apple Computer Representatives were impressed by our ambition enough to try and get us a machine for development. But this fell through, because the Pittsburgh Division did not have a machine (they are a small operation) and could not carry enough weight to pull any strings. It was a major disappointment. They DID explain that Apple signs a Contract with University Computer Stores in the Apple University Consortium program. In short, No Non Mac Products (hey.... what is the one Apple product that's Non Mac?) The Irony of all this is that these same stores sell IBM stuff... seems counterproductive to me. I will NOT let this issue go. This is a deliberate moveby Apple. I want an explanation from those who imposed it. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | Jeremy Mereness | Support | Disclaimer: | | jm7e+@andrew.cmu.edu (internet) | Free | The above represent my | | r746jm7e@cmccvb (Vax... bitnet) | Software | opinions, alone. | | a student at Carnegie Mellon U. | | Void where prohibited. | -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
lmb7421@ultb.UUCP (Les Barstow: Phoenix) (11/17/89)
Matt, Although we may not be schools ourselves, our campus bookstore can sell Macs for the standard discount (with the notes that you can't re-sell the computer for two years, etc...). However, when I asked them about buying a GS, they said 'We can't get them...they're not in the deal'. I find that kind of one-sided...I would probably have bought my computer from the campus bookstore if I'd been able to...as is, I went to Frederick Computer (Frederick, MD), as they have the volume sales to offer the lowest price...BTW, I recommend them to anyone that's in the area. -- Les Barstow | Your best flamage could be here! ...rochester!rit!ultb!lmb7421.UUCP | Contact /dev/null for details. lmb7421@ultb.isc.rit.edu | Announcement! - This has been a LMB7421@RITVAX.BITNET | public service.
gwyn@smoke.BRL.MIL (Doug Gwyn) (11/18/89)
In article <1623@ultb.UUCP> lmb7421@ultb.UUCP (Les Barstow: Phoenix) writes: >...as is, I went to Frederick Computer (Frederick, MD), as they have the >volume sales to offer the lowest price...BTW, I recommend them to anyone >that's in the area. I wouldn't -- several years ago they refused to service an Apple //e that they hadn't sold, despite advertising themselves as an authorized Apple dealer. (I brought the computer with me when I moved from across the country.) Every time I drop in there the selection of Apple II software is much sparser than elsewhere. I think they're another dealer who jumped on the IBM bandwagon but will be happy to take your money so long as they don't have to earn it.
rankins@zaire.crd.ge.com (raymond r rankins) (11/18/89)
In article <11640@smoke.BRL.MIL> gwyn@brl.arpa (Doug Gwyn) writes: >In article <1623@ultb.UUCP> lmb7421@ultb.UUCP (Les Barstow: Phoenix) writes: >>volume sales to offer the lowest price...BTW, I recommend them to anyone >>that's in the area. > >I wouldn't -- several years ago they refused to service an Apple //e >that they hadn't sold, despite advertising themselves as an authorized >Apple dealer.... Well, maybe there service isn't the greatest, but how many Apple dealers do you know that do provide good service for Apple II's? However, if you're looking for the best price, they usually have it. I got my IIGS there for less than mail order prices, and most their other hardware is priced likewise (like an Apple SCSI card for $104). Plus, unlike mail order, you can walk out with your purchase that day. For service, find a dealer with good service (if you can :^). Well, this is probably enough on this thread. Sorry to have continued it. Ray --- Ray Rankins | (518) 387-7340 | INTERNET: rankins@zaire.crd.ge.com 2 Moonglow Rd. | (518) 583-3320 | COMPUSERVE: 71131,3236 Gansevoort, NY 12831 | | AmericaOnline: RayRankins <insert standard disclaimer here>
mikes@shumv1.uucp (Michael Steele) (11/18/89)
In article <EZMZg1G00XohE2prY_@andrew.cmu.edu> jm7e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jeremy G. Mereness) writes: >mattd@Apple.COM (Matt Deatherage) writes: >> As to why Apple II products are not available at such-and-such a school (or >> most schools, or any schools) to students or faculty at a discount, I don't >> know. If I have a chance, I might try to find out. > >Please do. YES!!!!! PLEASE DO!!!!! Once again I would like to thank the Apple folks who are on the network and responding to our questions...we are NOT flaming at you!!! We are complaining about your marketing department. If you know anyone there, foward this discussion to them so that they might understand our displeasure. >They DID explain that Apple signs a Contract with University Computer >Stores in the Apple University Consortium program. In short, No Non Mac >Products (hey.... what is the one Apple product that's Non Mac?) > Jeremy Mereness Yes the schools have the "option" of selling GS's. BUT the people who are selling them the contracts aren't suggesting that they purchase GS's, only Macs. That's why there aren't more that 4 or 5 colleges in the country that offer GS's in the same way they offer Macs. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Steele mikes@shumv1.ncsu.edu mikes@ccvr1.ncsu.edu ALINK: MikeSteele mikes@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu BITNET: netoprms@ncsuvm.bitnet
cyliao@wam.UMD.EDU (11/19/89)
Les Barstow recommanded the Frederick Computer to people live in that area. I think people also like to know the address and phone # of the place. I'd like to see if someone can post their addr and phone # for people who don't know where the Frederick Computer is. Thanks in advance to whoever will do it. -- _____________________________________________________________________________ | "When is a revolution legal? When it |Chun Yao Liao +++ cyliao@wam.umd.edu| | succeeds." -August Strindberg | The Oriental from Argentina! | |___________Don't we need a revolution on the computer technology?____________|
prl3546@tahoma.UUCP (Philip R. Lindberg) (11/23/89)
From article <36493@apple.Apple.COM>, by mattd@Apple.COM (Matt Deatherage): > As Rick Fleischman has already pointed out, but bears repetition: > > I was merely trying to state that Apple has *educational* prices. If you're > a school, you can buy Apple products at a discount. Matt, I realize you aren't "marketing" so you don't have any control here. But I think this should be said. The *educational* setup is very limited. I am "not a school" personally, but I am on the computer committee at my daughter's school. We tried to get some Apple's for our school. We wanted to start small, (only five) and add more each year. We were told that since we were a private (K to 7) school we didn't "qualify" for any discount. This didn't make sense to me. So we are small (only 250 students), but we are still part of the market. Why would Apple have these limitations? Being a private school, 90% of our kids will go on to college, the majority will become professionals and will buy computers for themselves and possibly effect their business' purchases. Why exclude a group that is so ripe for future sales? (Especially when Tandy Corp. was thrilled to give us a discount and provide systems for us.) > As to why Apple II products are not available at such-and-such a school (or > most schools, or any schools) to students or faculty at a discount, I don't > know. If I have a chance, I might try to find out. I would appriciate it if you could ask my question too, then I could have an answer for our school's parents as well. Thanks. > Everyone needs to calm down. [...] But try to relax. So far I've tried to stay out of this because I feel the discussion is counter-productive to the advise and help we are getting (for free) from Apple DTS (since there is little you can do about it.) But I decided to set the record straight on the schools issue. Incidentally, I managed to convince the committee to buy 10 Laser 128's instead of the Radio Shack PC compat. because of the s/w base out there for the Apple II line. Some people were unhappy though. They said that the IBM was the new cpu standard and kids should learn on it from the beginning. I'll get back off my horse and not say another word. Thanks for trying to tackle these issues. Phil > Matt Deatherage, +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | Grampa says when he was a kid they did math with a trig. book| | Phil Lindberg snail mail: 13845 S.E. 131 ST | | UUCP: ..!uunet!bcstec!tahoma!prl3546 Renton, WA 98056 | | Disclaimer: I don't speak for my employer (and I not | | sure they even know I exist....) | +--------------------------------------------------------------+
abc@BRL.MIL (Brinton Cooper) (12/01/89)
I don't know who told you that your school doesn't "qualify" for an educational discount. Did you speak to a genuine Apple Factory-Authorized dealer? (Any teacher is eligible to buy ONE Apple computer on the "educational discount." He/she documents his/her official standing as a teacher to the dealer at the time of purchase. If your state authorities recognize your school, I believe Apple will also.) (It is my impression that these teacher discounts are given in recognition of the large, unreimbursed, out-of-pocket expenses which teachers make every year. Also, I'm sure that they make good business sense.) I'm sure that Tandy Corp would love to take a deep loss in order to get some of their machines into your or any schools--public or private. They had their chance years ago and simply wouldn't help out the schools. Apple stepped in and has become the de facto elementary school standard in many districts. You said, " I am on the computer committee at my daughter's school. We tried to get some Apple's for our school...." I believe that "appearance" is as important as reality here. If the "computer committee" was talking to the dealer or to Apple, you might well have not appeared sufficiently "official." When my wife's PTA wants to buy the school a couple of machines, I believe that they always operate through the offices of the school system, making the latter the official customer. As a "computer committee," I'd bet that you really have no *official* relationship to the school. Conversely, I'd bet that if the school's principal or other headperson showed up at the dealer with a Purchase Order in hand, discounts would be found all over the place. We've found that Apple is very careful about this; having exercised her "teacher's discount," my wife is prevented from buying another machine at that discount for some number (five??) of years. They don't want her being an unofficial dealer! "Incidentally, I managed to convince the committee to buy 10 Laser 128's" I think that you moved too fast; I'll just bet that there's a discount waiting for you. Good luck! _Brint
gsf@ulysses.homer.nj.att.com (Glenn Fowler[drew]) (12/01/89)
In article <8911302148.aa18241@SMOKE.BRL.MIL>, abc@BRL.MIL (Brinton Cooper) writes: > I don't know who told you that your school doesn't "qualify" for an > educational discount. Did you speak to a genuine Apple > Factory-Authorized dealer? my wife is a nursery school teacher - we attempted to use the apple educational discount but were disqualified by apple in NC the fine print print requires an `accredited' school, where `accredited' is stronger than `licensed' -- Glenn Fowler (201)-582-2195 AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ uucp: {att,decvax,ucbvax}!ulysses!gsf internet: gsf@ulysses.att.com
prl3546@tahoma.UUCP (Philip R. Lindberg) (12/08/89)
From article <12449@ulysses.homer.nj.att.com>, by gsf@ulysses.homer.nj.att.com (Glenn Fowler[drew]): > In article <8911302148.aa18241@SMOKE.BRL.MIL>, abc@BRL.MIL (Brinton Cooper) writes: >> I don't know who told you that your school doesn't "qualify" for an >> educational discount. Did you speak to a genuine Apple >> Factory-Authorized dealer? > > the fine print print requires an `accredited' school, where > `accredited' is stronger than `licensed' > Glenn Fowler Yes it was an Factory-Authorized dealer (with full MAC support ;) and yes our school is accredited. However, we are a private school and don't have a "district office" to go through with a purchase order. As far as "official enough" is concerned Brinton may be right. "I know" that I have the power to spend any and all funds in the "Computer" budget and that I would use the school office and school stationary to do so, but they may not have believed that. I'll ask the school principal to contact the dealer next time. +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | Grampa says when he was a kid they did math with a trig. book| | Phil Lindberg snail mail: 13845 S.E. 131 ST | | UUCP: ..!uunet!bcstec!tahoma!prl3546 Renton, WA 98056 | | Disclaimer: I don't speak for my employer (and I not | | sure they even know I exist....) | +--------------------------------------------------------------+