[comp.sys.apple] need info on Apple assemblers/compilers

WEC100@PSUVM.BITNET (12/08/89)

Hi. I need some information on assemblers or compilers for the Apple IIe. I
expect to be doing some programming in which i need the speed (I may be writing
a terminal emulator). I've heard about Merlin and Orca, but can find very
little about them or any other compiler (except basic and pascal, which i would
think would be too slow). Could anyone help? (please excuse me if this is
rehash of old stuff. i don't read netnews much). Thanks.


Wayne Carson

huang@husc4.HARVARD.EDU (Howard Huang) (12/09/89)

>Hi. I need some information on assemblers or compilers for the Apple IIe. 
>... I've heard about Merlin and Orca, but can find very
>little about them 
>
>Wayne Carson

The Merlin system I used with my //e was very nice.  I first bought the
program when Roger Wagner was still Southwestern Data Systems (I think
that was the name), and later got Merlin Pro.

Merlin Pro used a nice full-screen editor, had a bunch of macros (like
printing a row of ****s for commenting), was fast, didn't take up too
much memory, plus it came with a disassembler.  I'm not sure if Merlin
Pro did, but the original Merlin also generated a commented listing of
Applesoft BASIC ROM.

I haven't done much with assembly language recently, so I don't know
how the newer versions of Merlin stack up against ORCA.  MicroSPARC
(Nibble Magazine) may still sell their assembler package, and Call
-APPLE had a Big Mac assembler which later became Merlin.

Incidentally, Merlin is written by Glen Bredon, who also wrote
ProSEL which you hear about frequently on USENET.



Howard C. Huang
huang@husc4.harvard.edu

ericmcg@pro-generic.cts.com (Eric Mcgillicuddy) (12/10/89)

In-Reply-To: message from WEC100@PSUVM.BITNET

I went for ORCA/M because of its extensive libraries and excellent macros.
It's thin on communication libraries though, so it may not fit your specific
needs. The separate DEBUG utility needs a bit of work particularly the fact
that it scrolls the screen. (very annoying when debugging interactive input)

This is an unsolicited endorsement for Byte Works products. If you would like
an unsolicited endorsement for your product from me.... make it the best
possible product of its kind.
or bribe me, I need the cash.

mmunz@pro-beagle.cts.COM (Mark Munz) (12/11/89)

In-Reply-To: message from huang@husc4.HARVARD.EDU


>Merlin Pro used a nice full-screen editor, had a bunch of macros (like
>printing a row of ****s for commenting), was fast, didn't take up too
>much memory, plus it came with a disassembler.  I'm not sure if Merlin
>Pro did, but the original Merlin also generated a commented listing of
>Applesoft BASIC ROM.

o|I still use Merlin 16 to do all my 8-bit assembly programming,
but I HATE the full-screen editor... the editor is awkward and is
still confusing.  Merlin 16+'s editor hasn't improved much either.

Now the assembler itself is great. It's fast!! I just wish it
had a decent editor.

For 8-bit programming, I wouldn't even consider ORCA/M. Too much
hassle getting code out.

--Mark Munz