rc3h+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ross Ward Comer) (11/15/89)
Does anyone have any info on II in a Mac? I've called them, and they say it works with practically all unprotected software. The problem is that it seems a touch slow and can not access 5 1/4" disks. Anyone have more details? Thanks, ross ------------------------------------------------- rc3h+@andrew.cmu.edu
halp@TCGOULD.TN.CORNELL.EDU ("Bruce P. Halpern") (11/15/89)
II in a Mac is VERY slow. That's not its most serious problem. It fails to reliably produce the open apple-character, closed-apple-character, and open-apple-esc commands that are needed for AppleWorks and Timeout Appleworks. Consequently, stay away from II in a Mac if AppleWorks is what you want to use. In addition, DOS3.3 software can't be accessed from disk, since 5.25" disks can't be used. It's possible that something like AMDOS, the system that allows use of DOS3.3 on 3.5" disks, might help. ****DISCLAMER: My comments, etc., are my own shakey opinions ******** | Bruce P. Halpern Psychology & Neurobiology & Behavior Cornell Ithaca | | INTERNET:halp@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu BITNET:D57J@CORNELLA D57J@CRNLVAX5| | UUCP:{vax135,rochester,decvax}!cornell!batcomputer!halp | | PHONE: 607-255-6433 Uris Hall, Cornell U., Ithaca, NY 14853-7601 USA |
rich@pro-exchange.cts.com (Rich Sims) (11/16/89)
Comment to message from: rc3h+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ross Ward Comer) I have used version 2.5 of II in a Mac, and both points mentioned are conditionally correct. It's slow on a Mac +, but given the number of accelerators available for Macs, I suspect it's possible to come up with a configuration where it's actually faster than a standard 1 mHz Apple. An 8 mHz Mac gives ~40% of Apple II speed. It can't access 5 1/4" disks - well, that's not a fundamental problem of the program, but of the hardware. It seems there are neither many 5 1/4" drives nor much demand for them in the Mac world. The package came with both DOS 3.3 and ProDOS systems, and a communications package for transferring files from the Apple II to the Mac, as well as a pretty good set of documentation. The version I have worked quite well. It did everything it claimed to do, and I found no incompatibilities with any of the software I tried to run. I have heard that newer versions have added some additional capabilities, but I'm not sure what they are, or even if that info is correct. II in a Mac (version 2.5, at least) provides you with emulation of a 64k Apple II with a 6502 processor. It will not turn your Mac into a TransWarped GS running GS/OS. Of course, it doesn't claim to, either. :-) Rich Sims UUCP: crash!pro-exchange!rich ARPA: crash!pro-exchange!rich@nosc.mil INET: rich@pro-exchange.cts.com
joseph@elbereth.rutgers.edu (Seymour Joseph) (11/16/89)
Dos 3.3 software cannot be accessed from 5.25" disks, true. But the software comes with a program to allow you to transfer 5.25" disks to mac files (and back) via the serial ports. It is VERY fast. I also wonder if UNIDOS or DOS.MASTER or one of the other DOS 3.3 on 3.5" disk programs would run under II in a mac. Seymour
uncacj@uncecs.edu (Charles G. James Jr.) (12/13/89)
The use of DOS3.3 files needs a 51/4 disk. But what if you manage to get a DOS 3.3 file onto a MAC disk? I was thinking of using KERMIT to transfer an Apple II program file as a binary file to then be started with 'II in a MAC'. -- Charles G. James, Jr. Department of Chemistry, University of North Carolina at Asheville 2 Asheville NC 28804 BITNET: uncacj@ecsvax
ST802148@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (Evan) (12/14/89)
I have seen Apple's new ad for the FTDT drive that can read MS/DOS, PS2, Prodos , and Mac. SO WHAT!?! Just because the disk can read them, it doesn't mean tha t the Macintosh can use the programs! There is no Prodos operating system to ru n these Apple wares. I believe it was created for the ability of reading textfi les from other wordprocessors. if you can use a prodos software on a Macintosh , please tell me.... and pinch me...
halp@TCGOULD.TN.CORNELL.EDU (Bruce P. Halpern) (12/14/89)
All current Macintosh 3.5" drives, whether they are HDFD or not, can, in combination with the Apple File Exchange Utility that comes with all Macs, read ProDos text files. The files can be automatically translated into files that are useable by, for example, Microsoft Word for Mac. If the text files are written to disk on the Apple // using the Beagle Bros. Timeout utility AWP to Text (or reasable equivalent), the files don't have unfortunate items at the ends of lines, and do retain blank lines, etc. (but not underline, super/subscript, bold, or stuff like that). Procedures are available to convert AppleWorks Database and Spreadsheet files into Microsoft Works for Macintosh files (using AFE as above) and a few more steps. Nothing in the Apple literature suggests that ProDOS or IBM PROGRAMS will execute. You are quite correct in stating that they won't without special software or hardware added to the Mac. Sorry that this sounds like an ad for Microsoft and Apple, but ... ****DISCLAMER: My comments, etc., are my own shakey opinions ******** | Bruce P. Halpern Psychology & Neurobiology & Behavior Cornell Ithaca | | INTERNET:halp@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu BITNET:D57J@CORNELLA D57J@CRNLVAX5| | UUCP:{vax135,rochester,decvax}!cornell!batcomputer!halp | | PHONE: 607-255-6433 Uris Hall, Cornell U., Ithaca, NY 14853-7601 USA |
orcus@pro-lep.cts.com (Brian Greenstone) (12/17/89)
In-Reply-To: message from ST802148@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU II in a Mac will effectivly run ProDos software, and even do graphics. It wont work for IIgs software, but just about all of the IIe and II+ stuff will work. _____ UUCP: crash!pro-lep!orcus ARPA: crash!pro-lep!orcus@nosc.mil INET: orcus@pro-lep.cts.com