mattd@Apple.COM (Matt Deatherage) (02/02/90)
In article <3784@hub.UUCP> 6600pete@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Pete Gontier) writes: >I need to know if the IIgs kit for MPW is useful for the IIe. > In general, yes, especially if you're a high-powered developer. >I understand that the IIgs toolbox has a lot of calls in common with the >Mac, and I know how _d e v e l o p_ (c.f., the article on the assembly >environment for the II series) lists it, but I can't seem to get >apda@applelink.apple.com to tell me one way or another on the following >stuff (or answer my mail at all...): > APDA does not do product support on the items they sell, and last time I looked they didn't even pretend to. If you ask them for data sheets they should send them, but more often than not they can't answer questions. > for the IIe environment, does the kit do: > o Pascal? C? No. The MPW IIgs C and Pascal compilers only produce 65816 code. > o native code stand-alones? Yes. Although the tools by default produce Apple IIgs OMF, the assembler can be instructed to only accept 6502 or 65C02 instructions, and a tool known as "MakeBinIIgs" is provided which takes an OMF file and turns it into a straight binary file. > o nice safe TTY output? > o passable graphics? If you're developing for a IIe, you're limited to the target machine. You can, of course, write code that uses the 80-column firmware, hi-res or double hi-res graphics just as you would on a native development system. The assembler does not provide graphics or TTY output libraries to link in, if that is what you are asking. Powerful IIe graphics packages (like ESS's "Pizzazz" package, which is targeted exclusively for eight-bit development) are available for such things. > and, importantly, > o can I write and debug on a Mac and run binaries on a IIe? > It depends on what you mean by "debug". You do not run IIe code under MPW or on the Mac in general. You use a tool called "duplicateIIgs", a program called "Apple File Exchange" or AppleShare file servers to get your program from the Macintosh onto a ProDOS disk (or onto a server that the IIe target machine can access). There is no cross-debugger included. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Pete Gontier | InterNet: 6600pete@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu, BitNet: 6600pete@ucsbuxa >Editor, Macker | Online Macintosh Programming Journal; mail for subscription >Hire this kid | Mac, DOS, C, Pascal, asm, excellent communication skills -- ============================================================================ Matt Deatherage, Apple Computer, Inc. | "The opinions represented here are Developer Technical Support, Apple II | not necessarily those of Apple Group. Personal mail only, please. | Computer, Inc. Remember that." ============================================================================
greyelf@wpi.wpi.edu (Michael J Pender) (02/02/90)
In article <38267@apple.Apple.COM> mattd@Apple.COM (Matt Deatherage) writes: >In article <3784@hub.UUCP> 6600pete@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Pete Gontier) writes: >>I need to know if the IIgs kit for MPW is useful for the IIe. >> >In general, yes, especially if you're a high-powered developer. I went to the apple ftp site to see if anything I could use was there, but it looked like the MPW environment runs on the Macintosh, and the APW environment runs on the IIgs. Can any part of the tools placed at the apple ftp site be run on a IIe? Or must the software be developed on a Mac/IIgs then sent to the IIe to test? >>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>Pete Gontier | InterNet: 6600pete@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu, BitNet: 6600pete@ucsbuxa >>Editor, Macker | Online Macintosh Programming Journal; mail for subscription >>Hire this kid | Mac, DOS, C, Pascal, asm, excellent communication skills >-- >============================================================================ >Matt Deatherage, Apple Computer, Inc. | "The opinions represented here are >Developer Technical Support, Apple II | not necessarily those of Apple >Group. Personal mail only, please. | Computer, Inc. Remember that." >============================================================================ and my sig-- --- Michael J Pender Jr Box 1942 c/o W.P.I. ... (Mankind) has already greyelf@wpi.bitnet 100 Institute Rd. used its last chance. greyelf@wpi.wpi.edu Worcester, Ma 01609 - Gen. MacArthur
pem@cadnetix.COM (Paul Meyer) (02/09/90)
In article <3784@hub.UUCP> 6600pete@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Pete Gontier) writes: >I need to know if the IIgs kit for MPW is useful for the IIe. > As far as I've heard, and the descriptions in the APDAlog say, no. This is not surprising because the //gs is set up to be very (and with every system release grows to be even more) similar to a Mac; earlier //'s aren't. According to the _Develop_ sample copy I was sent, however, there is a very nice all-//'s cross-ASSEMBLER that runs under the MPW //gs tools environment. For a Mac programmer, there just isn't support for anything like an easy port; you still must use ProDOS (8) calls and conventions for memory use, etc. Paul Meyer pem@cadnetix.COM Daisy/Cadnetix Inc. (DAZIX) {uunet,boulder}!cadnetix!pem 5775 Flatirons Pkwy. GEnie P.MEYER CI$ 73627,1274 AoL LordKorath Boulder, CO 80301 (303)444-8075x277
wombat@claris.com (Scott Lindsey) (02/10/90)
In article <11364@cadnetix.COM> pem@cadnetix.COM (Paul Meyer) writes: > In article <3784@hub.UUCP> 6600pete@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Pete Gontier) writes: > >I need to know if the IIgs kit for MPW is useful for the IIe. > As far as I've heard, and the descriptions in the APDAlog say, > no. This is not surprising because the //gs is set up to be very > (and with every system release grows to be even more) similar > to a Mac; earlier //'s aren't. Excuse me, but what are you talking about? The similarities between interface have nothing to do with the robustness and usability of the development environment. By the way, whether or not MPWIIgs is useful for other II development is a matter of opinion. I'd have to say "yes," since AppleWorks 3.0 was built that way. Scott Lindsey | I dig iguana in their outer space duds Claris Corp. | saying, "Aren't you glad we only eat bugs?" ames!claris!wombat| DISCLAIMER: These are not the opinions of Claris, Apple, wombat@claris.com | StyleWare, the author, or anyone else living or Dead.