pmeese@shearson.com (Philip Meese) (07/27/90)
OK APL'ers: try this: I am using STSC's APL on the Sun (and quite happy with it) but I need to create hard copy function listings. STSC sez that they have no method for doing this on a postscript printer. After reviewing my Abdobe "Blue Book", it is obvious to me that one could create an APL postscript font for this purpose with relative ease althought it would take a lot of work. The question is: Has anyone already created a Postscript APL font that they would be willing to share ?? Please respond to me directly, thanks. I'll be happy (of course) to summarize responses should others express interest. -- Philip David Meese -----------------------------|-------------------- On Assignment: | Home Office: Shearson Lehman Hutton | PM Projects, Inc.
stripes@eng.umd.edu (Joshua Osborne) (07/27/90)
In article <1990Jul26.171513.6428@shearson.com> pmeese@shearson.com (Philip Meese) writes: >OK APL'ers: try this: > >I am using STSC's APL on the Sun (and quite happy with it) >but I need to create hard copy function listings. STSC sez that >they have no method for doing this on a postscript printer. Then whoever you talked to is wrong. They have a way of doing it on the Mac. They even have a Mac PostScript font that they designed (prob. at great expense given how long I had to read pre-release APL*PLUS/Mac documantion with the stuff written in APLFont sticking out like a sore thumb, then one day [shortly after I fond out that we *were* working on a PS font] I started seeing nice looking stuff written in Armonk (a APL type face, see below). which graduly got nicer until we shiped the release then work on it (and basicly APL on the Mac, 'tho they may well have started up again; they have *lot's* of Mac's now, used for DTP'ing manuals for other software)]). >After reviewing my Abdobe "Blue Book", it is obvious to me that one >could create an APL postscript font for this purpose with relative >ease althought it would take a lot of work. It has been done, and last I know it was being give to anyone who owned any APL*PLUS (i.e. any STSC APL), and *was* given to someone running on a Sun. Now the font is *not* in *any* APL*PLUS's Quad-AV order (why would they do such a silly thing? Well it was ordered so it could be used in MacWrite and MS-Word for writing documantion, the places it had to go to fit the "standard" APL keyboard placement [not the super-cool Unifyed] was radicly diffrent from all QuadAV's, bummer). There is no software avail for printing with this font. Call STSC back up and tell them all this and that you can live with it, and you understand that the HotLine (do they still call it that?) has no obligation to support it, and that you swear never to even mention it to them again (as long as it arives and can be read off the media), and you won't give it to anyone who doesn't own any STSC products unless STSC says that's Ok, and that if they don't give you the font named "Armonk" (pronounced "Are-Monk", look at the city name on the back of most IBM products, incl all 3270 capable terminals I have ever seen for the proper spelling, I prob. got it wrong) which *has* to exist because they most definitly use it to produce the really nice loking docs that all say they were done on a LaserWriter (and may even mention the name of the font, you may wanna look at the first & last few pages). If after you tell them that they refuse to send you the font (even if you SASE your own 3.5" Mac disk), switch to attack mode. You will attempt to return their product. You will tell everyone you know who uses APL not to buy STSC's APL because they are disks. You will put it on a place that has a confirmed readership of <insert arbatrion number fo c.l.apl here>, a estimated readership of <insert arbatrion number for c.l.apl here>, and a max readership of over 2Million, all former potental customers. All because of one silly little mastake. If you think you will have to get nasty please don't use my name, some people I like work there & they might get mad at me... Also if the call doesn't work let me know, I will see if I can (legaly) attain it from someone I know. >The question is: Has anyone already created a Postscript APL font >that they would be willing to share ?? Last I checked STSC had. Sorry I rambled on so & had so many conjunctions & so many levels of nested parens! (this is APL, not LISP!) Disclaimer: I havn't worked at STSC for years, I am unlikely to do so for years. STSC still employs people I like, if they don't give you the font don't lie to people who want to buy from them, tell them what happened & let them decide. As normal for people who work for, or worked for <foo> my opinions may be biased, pleas ask someone else for some too (I don't think that applyes). In case STSC trys to sue UofM (where I am posting from, but I doubt they will sue anyone): I do not speak for the University of Maryland's Collage Park Campus nor any other UM campus. I do not speak for any department, collage or group of people at the UofM, in particular I do not speak for the Collage of Engineering (whose computer I am using to post), or for the Department of Eletrical Engineering. If this part staves off legal responsibleity: I do not speak for myself, I speak only for the BORG who have taken over my mind and cause me to perform possably illegal acts agenst my knolage and will, I require medical treatment, not incarceration. (Well, hay it's worth a shot!) -- stripes@eng.umd.edu "Security for Unix is like Josh_Osborne@Real_World,The Mutitasking for MS-DOS" "The dyslexic porgramer" - Kevin Lockwood "Don't try to change C into some nice, safe, portable programming language with all sharp edges removed, pick another language." - John Limpert
sam@ss_csi.jpl.nasa.gov (Sam Sirlin) (07/28/90)
In article <1990Jul26.171513.6428@shearson.com> pmeese@shearson.com (Philip Meese) writes: >OK APL'ers: try this: > >I am using STSC's APL on the Sun (and quite happy with it) >but I need to create hard copy function listings. STSC sez that >they have no method for doing this on a postscript printer. > An APL font for TeX exists and is freely available. I got the metafont definition, the original tugboat article, and various .tex files from power.eee.ndsu.nodak.edu (134.129.123.1), ftp anonymous login. You use the metafont to produce fonts in whatever size you want. This allows APL on just about any (laser) printer, not just postscript printers. Sam Sirlin sam@jpl-gnc-gw.jpl.nasa.gov Sam Sirlin Jet Propulsion Laboratory sam@csi.jpl.nasa.gov sam@kalessin.jpl.nasa.gov
mjab@pozzo.think.com (Michael J. A. Berry) (07/31/90)
In article <1990Jul26.171513.6428@shearson.com> pmeese@shearson.com (Philip Meese) writes:
Users of the unix version of Sharp APL get a very nice APL postscript font
(very nice in the APL characters that is, I don't like the "standard"
characters which are italic). This font says it is copyright Joey K.
Tuttle. I don't know how he feels about sharing it, but last I heard, Joey
Tuttle worked for Reuters in Palo Alto so you might be able to ask him.
-Michael
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=============================================stripes@eng.umd.edu (Joshua Osborne) (07/31/90)
In article <1990Jul27.035207.20289@eng.umd.edu> I wrote:
[Flameish message deleted]
I would like to apoligise for that message, it was uncalled for. Anything
that I ask people not to attach my name to should not be posted to USEnet.
When I left STSC the support people were trying really really hard to be a
world-class support staff. There is no reason for me to assume anything is
diffrent now that I am gone (after all I wasn't a manager or anything).
Whatever happened there was most likely some sort of mastake or oversight.
Not malice.
Oh, and for the record nobody (at STSC, or anyplace else) asked me to post
this (or even suggested that I do so). I am doing this because I treated
them wrongly and they deserve better.
--
stripes@eng.umd.edu "Security for Unix is like
Josh_Osborne@Real_World,The Mutitasking for MS-DOS"
"The dyslexic porgramer" - Kevin Lockwood
"Don't try to change C into some nice, safe, portable programming language
with all sharp edges removed, pick another language." - John Limpertr_pandy@rpandy.Eng.Sun.COM (Rajev Pandy) (08/01/90)
Also available as far as APL Postscript fonts go are the METAFONT ones
designed by Hohti and Kanerva (described in an ACM APL Quote Quad article
a year or two ago). The fonts are available via anonymous ftp from
sun.soe.clarkson.edu, I believe. Several people I contacted couldn't
get METAFONT to run on them, however. If that is a problem, I can supply
the necessary .pk/.pxl etc. files......
(I'm writing my MS thesis using LaTeX and need APL characters, so I use
these fonts and dvi2ps to get the desired result.)
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