psmith@convex.UUCP (03/30/88)
For you information, the following is a summary of the comments received
from the public review period on the FORTRAN 8x. The Position column
is what I could glean by looking at them. If anyone has any corrections,
my fingers are fat...so send them to me. I'm sure there are mistakes...
Of the 396 total comments:
60% are negative
22% are positive
14% are comments with no real position
4% expressed concern as opposed to a strong
positive or negative position
Submitter Company Position
1. Patte Pyle Amway Corp Negative
2. William Kafig Harry Diamond Labs Negative
3. Robert Hall Science Appl International Positive
4. R.J. Hanson ADI Corp Positive
5. Joe Knipperburg Federal Communications Comm Negative
6. Rick Anderson Center for Lithospheric Studies Negative
7. John Babcock Professional Engineer Negative
8. Lila Chase Lawrence Livermore Natl Lab Comments
9. John Rahn School of Music, Univ of Wash. Negative
10. Tony Linthicum CONVEX Computer Corp Negative
11. Bonnie Hill CONVEX Computer Corp Negative
12. Ron Lieberman CONVEX Computer Corp Negative
13. Susan Linthicum Philadelphia Life Ins Negative
14. Randall Mercer CONVEX Computer Corp Negative
15. John Torkelson CONVEX Computer Corp Negative
16. Jan Boerhout CONVEX Computer Corp Negative
17. Gary Ramsey LTV Aerospace Negative
18. Jonathan Becher Duke University Negative
19. John P. Cole Self Negative
20. Nolan Davis University of Texas Negative
21. Cyrus D. Cantrell Univeristy of Texas Negative
22. Danny Chu University of Texas Negative
23. Chris Jahn Software Lexcography Negative
24. Mick Banter Syntech Negative
25. Patrick Christoffersen Wisconsin Public Service Negative
26. Earl Damewood INCO Alloys International Negative
27. Edgar Soulie Laboratorie de Reactivite... Comments
28. Jesse Black Self Negative
29. Burton Strauss Catalyst Group Negative
30. J.L. Schoenfelder University of Liverpool Negative
31. Renee Kellow CONVEX Computer Corp Negative
32. J.D. McDonald University of Illinois Negative
33. David Bailey Ames Research Center Positive
34. Phil Hooper Kennedy Space Center Comments
35. John Lynn Marshall Space Flight Center Positive
36. Fred Krogh, etc. (2) Jet Propulsion Laboratory Comments
37. James Matheny Self Positive
38. Neil Rickert Northern Illinois Univ Negative
39. George MeMechan University of Texas Negative
40. Bob Zoller TRW Valve Division Negative
41. Presley Smith CONVEX Computer Corp Negative
42. Ray Seyfarth Self Negative
43. John Swanson Swanson Analysis Systems Negative
44. E.T. Ford, etc. (4) Independent Broadcasing Auth. Negative
45. Stewart A Levin Mobil Research Positive
46. Edward Smith Self Negative
47. Mary Hovik Lehigh County Community Col. Negative
48. Michael G. Miller University of Georgia Negative
49. Brian Gray General Tire Positive
50. Jack Peterson Los Alamos, Comp Physics Negative
51. Loren Meissner University of San Francisco Positive
52. J. Wayne Gray Honeywell O.E.D. Negative
53. Suze Hym Southwestern Bell Negative
54. David Anderson Lawrence Livermore Lab Negative
55. Wayne Finke RF Monolithics, Inc. Negative
56. Carl Malec Boeing Advanced Systems Negative
57. James Beers Fluor Daniel Negative
58. Jim Armstrong CONVEX Computer Corp Negative
59. David Hill Northern Telecom Negative
60. Tisha Motley King Computer Search Negative
61. Sally King King Computer Search Negative
62. Sandy Davis King Computer Search Negative
63. Alan Wallcraft JAYCOR Positive
64. Dr. S. Morgan University of Liverpool Positive
65. James Rodgers International Power Machines Negative
66. David Atkinson King Computer Search Negative
67. L. Hatton Programming Research Ltd. Negative
68. William Leonard Harris Corp. Negative
69. Jeanne Martin Lawrence Livermore Natl Lab Comments
70. Debbie Vela Mobil Exploration Negative
71. David Wilson Self Comments
72. Loren Meissner (51 also) University of San Francisco Positive
73. Steven O. Siegfried Self Negative
74. M.D. Sisson LTV Missles and Electronics Negative
75. Bob Allison Microsoft Negative
76. Stuart Renes AT&T Technology Negative
77. Bob Malchie Los Alamos Natl Lab Positive
78. David Jones Jones Computer Consulting Negative
79. Michael Clover Los Alamos Negative
80. Jay Elewitz Self Negative
81. Joseph R. Zuiden LTV Aircraft Products Group Negative
82. Linda Yohe Texas Exchange Carrier Assoc Negative
83. Allen Wadle LTV Missle and Electronics Negative
84. (Signature Illegible) Southwestern Bell Negative
85. Scott Matthews Idaho National Engr Lab Positive
86. David Burrows Pennsylvania State Univ Negative
87. Sharon Clay TECA Negative
88. Robert Hench GE Information Services Negative
89. Charles Light Cincinnati Gas and Electric Comments
90. Jeanine McDermott Electrospace Systems Negative
91. Joe Nation University of Texas Negative
92. Lennart Begtsson European Centre for Weather... Positive
93. George Weekly Dept of Air Force Positive
94. Gary Bills Boeing Company Negative
95. Mark Hall Boeing Aerospace Negative
96. David Nokes Self Negative
97. David Plumley Boeing Company Negative
98. Steven Haertel CONVEX Computer Corp Negative
99. Steven Joachims Self Negative
100. Thomas Nishikawa CONVEX Computer Corp Negative
101. Mark D. Hall Boeing Aerospace Company Negative
102. Russell Swim John Deere Parts Dist. Center Negative
103. Dwight Rousu Self Negative
104. Matthew F. Smith Boeing Computer Services Negative
105. Guy Wormser, etc. (14) Stanford University Negative
106. Stewart Anderson Boeing Computer Services Negative
107. Michael Behrens Deutsches Elektronen Positive
108. David Wilson Self Comments
109. Bruce Walker Andante Software Negative
110. Stephen McGrogan ELXSI Negative
111. Thomas Grandine Boeing Computer Services Negative
112. Anthony Cummins Telex Computer Products Negative
113. David Dorfman CONVEX Computer Corp Negative
114. Mark Nicklaus Institute of Applied Physics Positve
115. Brian J. Christianson Self Negative
116. Joseph Hearst Lawrence Livermore Natl Lab Comments
117. Ken Starr Self Negative
118. Robert Johnson Penn State College of Bus. Adm. Negative
119. David Vallance, etc. (4) University of Salford Negative
120. Stephen Miyawaki System Software Services Negative
121. Seymour J. Metz Self Concern
122. Fred Krogh Jet Propulsion Lab Comments
123. John Rice Purdue University Positive
124. Jonathan Thornburg University of British Columbia Comments
125. Robert Greeves Department of Energy Negative
126. A.N. Richmond University of Liverpool Comments
127. Alan Hunt Voice Control Systems Negative
128. Richard Hicks Martin Marietta Energy Syst. Positive
129. Jack Perrine Self Comments
130. Howard Page CONVEX Computer Corp Negative
131. William Rinehuls General Services Administration Positive
132. M.C. Monson Deere & Company Negative
133. W. Van Snyder Jet Propulsion Lab Negative
134. William Hiteshew University of Maryland Negative
135. Adrian Melott University of Kansas Negative
136. N. Arunasalem SC SCICON Negative
137. John Moses Self Negative
138. Donald L. Lucas International Power Machines Negative
139. H.R. Child Oak Ridge Natl Lab Comments
140. Stephen Miyawaki McDonald Douglass Aerospace Positive
141. Michael Berry Think Machines Positive
142. A.L. Lopez, etc. (4) Amoco Corporation Systems Dev Negative
143. David Ford Exxon Central Services Negative
144. Gordon Hughes University of Edinburgh Positive
145. Richard Owen Lawrence Livermore Labs Concern
146. Jack Saba Science Applications Research Negative
147. John Miano Self Negative
148. Roger Ove University of Illinois Negative
149. Merle VanDyke Boeing Computer Services Negative
150. James Tocher Boeing Computer Services Negative
151. James Townsend NASA Langley Research Center Concern
152. Christopher Tanner Atomic Energy of Canada Limited Positive
153. John Ingebretsen Self Negative
154. Michael Young Sandia National Lab Comments
155. Fred Clare Natl Center for Atmospheric Res. Negative
156. Richard Albright University of Delaware Negative
157. W. Don Rolph Texas Instruments, MC Group Negative
158. Jonathan Coxhead Feg Limited Positive
159. Richard Harris Self Negative
160. Karl-Heinz Rotthauser GMD (Germany) Comments
161. Lee Busby, etc. (5) Lawrence Livermore Lab Positive
162. David Muxworthy Edinburgh University Positive
163. Ted Hansen Self Negative
164. Kolette Krauss Boeing Computing Services Negative
165. James Baltes General Research Corp Negative
166. Brian Ford, etc. (3) Numerical Algorithms Group Positive
167. Paul Sinclair Austec Negative
168. W.E. Hooper Boeing Vertol Negative
169. Kent Paul Dolan Tree House Computer Consulting Positive
170. Don Stevens New York University Negative
171. Louis Khazoyan Self Negative
172. Peter Matthews Charles Stark Draper Lab Negative
173. Charles Wirtz Self Negative
174. Russell Swim John Deere Parts Distribution Negative
175. Joseph Damico Ohio State University Negative
176. Richard Owen Lawrence Berkeley Labs Concern
177. Thomas Wittaker University of Wisconsin Negative
178. Bo Einarsson University of Linkoping Positive
179. K.H. Eagle Boeing Helicopter Negative
180. Carl Malec Boeing Advanced Systems Negative
181. Denise George Los Alamos Natl Lab Negative
182. J. Gillies British Aerospace Comments
183. Irene Cummings Edinburgh University Positive
184. G.W. Foster Royal Aircraft Positive
185. Paul White Meterological Office Positive
186. K.C. Moore Atomic Weapons Positive
187. P. Basnett Teh Electricity Council Positive
188. M. R. O'Donohoe Computer Lab Negative
189. P. T. Wallace Rutherford Appleton Lab Positive
190. David Tilley University of London Positive
191. Paul Sandy Exeter University Positive
192. Ken Peach University of Edinburgh Positive
193. Tony J. Ibbs Laser-Scan Labs Positive
194. M. G. Richardson Symbolic and Information Syst. Comments
195. Peter Jewell Bradford University Positive
196. Clive Page University of Leicester Positive
197. Tony Lynas-Gray University College London Positive
198. Stephen Hart Imperial College Positive
199. Michael Denby University of Leicester Positive
200. Clive Hall Edinburgh University Comments
201. G.N. Lance University of Bristol Positive
202. Paul Lamb University College London Positive
203. R. Wells Clarendon Lab Comments
204. J. B. Young Seismic Data Centre Negative
205. Andrew Harris Z & S Consultants Limited Negative
206. R. Wells Claredon Lab Positive
207. Thomas Dyott, etc. (8) Analytical & Computer Apl. Negative
208. Norman Turrill Boeing Computer Services Comments
209. Vaughn Gaither Boeing Airplane Co. Negative
210. Barry Schlesinger ST Systems Corp Negative
211. Rober Mercer Aerospace Corp Comments
212. Michael Kassay Sidney Barbanel Consl. Engr. Negative
213. Rochelle Lauer Yale University Negative
214. D. S. Wahl Boeing Computer Services Negative
215. Malcom Gray Self Negative
216. I. J. Clifton Daresbury Lab Positive
217. Brian Ford, etc. (3) Numerical Algorithms Group Positive
218. James P. Sharkey Self Negative
219. Donald Brown Self Negative
220. William Walster Lockheed MSC Comments
221. Ronald Bushyager General Electric Negative
222. Kristi Keith, etc. (2) GA Technologies, Inc. Negative
223. David Garfinkel University of Pennsylvania Negative
224. James Bishop University of Notre Dame Negative
225. Authur Ragosta Dept. of the Army Negative
226. I. Nakata Information Technology Standards Comments
227. Tony Warnock Cray Research Negative
228. Louis B Khazoyan Self Negative
229. Hugh O'Neil Posten Design Systems Negative
230. Multiple Lawrence Livermore Labs Negative
231. P. G. Saffman California Institute of Tech. Negative
232. Harold Naparst Self Negative
233. Lynn Marple Merit Technology, Inc. Comments
234. D. T. Muxworthy Edinburgh University Positive
235. J. R. Hass, etc. (5) M. W. Kellogg Co. Negative
236. James Balster General Research Corp Negative
237. William Goffe University of Texas Positive
238. John E. George Self Negative
239. Carole Sweeney Rheem Mfg Co. Negative
240. Edward Cragg George Mason University Positive
241. Frank W. Guy Los Alamos Negative
242. Arthur Salwin Self Negative
243. Walter Aiello University of Alberta Positive
244. Eric Holcomb Boeing Aerospace Negative
245. Guy Steele Thinking Machines Comments
246. Jaylee Mead NASA Space and Earth Sci... Negative
247. Frank Marshall CONVEX Computer Corp Negative
248. Paul White Meteorological Office Positive
249. Arthur Hu Mosaic Software Negative
250. David Williams Self Positive
251. Multiple National Nuclear Negative
252. Robert Stein Michigan State University Negative
253. Mark Israel University of Alberta Positive
254. J.P. Johnson, Tom Butler Texaco Comments
255. David Taylor Honeywell Negative
256. Richard Curnow Self Negative
257. Anne Gooding Air Products Limited Positive
258. J. J. Thresher Eur. Org. for Nuclear Res. Positive
259. T.M.R. Ellis Computing Teaching Centre Negative
260. Brian Ford, etc. (3) Numerical Algorithms Group Positive
261. Steven Rowan Self Negative
262. William Reeder, etc. (2) University of Texas Negative
263. Ferenc Brodey Computing Teaching Centre Comments
264. Swarn Kumar Boeing Computer Services Negative
265. Alfred Garcia Dept. of the Air Force Positive
266. R. W. Plaseski Enviroment Canada Comments
267. Mark Riordan Self Negative
268. Bob Harbort Southern College of Technology Positive
269. Ted Holmes Self Negative
270. Dennis DeMattia Self Negative
271. Robert Berkowitz Self Negative
272. Daniel Feenberg National Bureau of Economic Res. Negative
273. Carl Summersett Self Comments
274. Richard Chaplin Self Negative
275. Ron Brashear Mobil Exploration Negative
276. William Leonard Harris Corp Negative
277. Edmund Howard Project One Negative
278. Thomas Aird, etc. (6) IMSL Negative
279. Richard O'Shea Self Negative
280. Richard Ragan Control Data Comments
281. Anthony Wexler Dept. of ME, Caltech Positive
282. Paul Corbett ELXSI Negative
283. William DiCecca Self Comments
284. Thomas Tosch Self Negative
285. Michael Weinreich Self Positive
286. Paul White Meteorological Office Positive
287. Maurice LeBrun University of Texas Comments
288. John Burnett Self Negative
289. Jack Pizante Geophysical Service Inc Negative
290. J.C. Mitchell Self Negative
291. Ralph McMillan Arco Oil and Gas Negative
292. John Polson Self Negative
293. Gregory Fulton Self Negative
294. G. Manning Active Memory Technology Negative
295. John Demel, etc. (6) Ohio State Negative
296. Bob Allison (2nd let) Microsoft Negative
297. Nelson Bye Self Negative
298. Jack Balakirsky NASA, Goddard Negative
299. William Gula Los Alamos Comments
300. Michael Wolfe Kuck and Associates Negative
301. Alex Marusak, etc (40) Los Alamos Negative
302. Patricia Swift Computer Assistance Comments
303. Fred Fritsch Lawrence Livermore Natl Lab Comments
304. F.W. Nagle Department of Commerce Comments
305. James Felty Prime Computer Negative
306. Thomas Lahey Lahey Computer Systems Negative
307. John Romero Los Alamos Negative
308. Frederick Klein Boeing Computer Services Negative
309. William Smith US Dept of Commerce Comments
310. James Balster General Research Corp Negative
311. Robert Mercer Aerospace Corporation Comments
312. James Bishop University of Notre Dame Negative
313. Eric Holcomb Boeing Aerospace Negative
314. Vaughn Gaither Flight Systems Lab Negative
315. ============= Don't have +============
316. R.M. Rangayyan University of Calgary Concern
317. Ivor Philips Boeing Computer Services Negative
318. John Johnson Boeing Computer Services Negative
319. David Mattoon Association of American Railroads Comments
320. Edward Reid Self Positive
321. Scott Lamson General Electric Positive
322. Wolfgang Walter, etc. (2) Universitat Karlsruhe Comments
323. John Duncanson University of Texas Concern
324. Walter Brainerd Unicomp Positive
325. A.J. Lyons Winfrith Atomic Energy Comments
326. Sharon J. Howard Boeing Computer Services Negative
327. Alan Miller CSIRO Div of Math and Statistics Positive
328. James Giles Los Alamos Concern
329. Andrew Johnson Prime Positive
330. Mary Anne Gray IBM Negative
331. Dean L. Irwin TASC-McLean Negative
332. J.D. Wilson British Computer Society Positive
333. Robert Bernstein Southern Illinois Univ Positive
334. Eric Zellin Self Concern
335. Gerald Sommer Self Positive
336. Jonathan Gispan, etc (4) GE, Federal and Elec Syst Div Comments
337. Michael Frazier Self Negative
338. Jerry Berkman Self Negative
339. Robert Knighten Self Concerns
340. D.W. Bonnell NBS-IMSE Negative
341. Philip Sweetenham Hartwell Lab Positive
342. John Reid IFIP wg 2.5 Positive
343. John Reid Harwell Comments
344. Peter Kirby, etc. (7) UK Atomic Energy Authority Concern
345. Theodore Sweetser JPL Concern
346. Anthony Campassano Self Negative
347. Tommaso Russo Self Concern
348. Graham Warren Canadian Standards Assoc Comments
349. Ken Kennedy Rice Negative
350. Steward Wilder The Wyatt Company Positive
351. Joel Clinkenbeard (2) Digital Equipment Corp. Negative
352. Jay G. Scott Self Negative
353. Andrew Tait Amdahl Comments
354. Therese Barts Los Alamos Positive
355. Leonard Moss Stanford University Negative
356. William Long University of Wisconsin Positive
357. Steven Rogers Whole Systems Support Negative
358. David Hamaker The Wollongong Group Positive
359. Tom McDavid Boeing Negative
360. David Kanter TWA Concern
361. Steven Berman Northrop Corp Negative
362. Stuart Nelan Self Negative
363. Alan MacArthur Self Negative
364. Bruce Martin Self Comments
365. Joel Gilliland Self Positive
366. Glenn Yoshioka Self Negative
367. Tony Johnson Stanford University Positive
368. Henry Todd Brigham Young University Comments
369. Ala Lester Self Negative
370. James Almond University of Texas Positive
371. Richard Hendrickson Self Positive
372. Bill DeForeest Self Negative
373. Leon Hill Boeing Negative
374. John McCalpin Control Data Corp Negative
375. Mark Kiefer (3) Sandia National Labs Negative
376. Ehud Reiter Harvard University Negative
377. Alex Marusak Los Alamos Concern
378. Mark Blubaugh Boeing Negative
379. Daniele Pelessone GA Technologies Comments
380. A.D. Kennedy Supercomputer Comp Res Inst. Concern
381. James Carr Supercomputer Comp Res Inst. Concern
382. John Brown, etc. (13) Amdahl Comments
383. Daniel Davison Self Negative
384. Christopher Collins Self Negative
385. M.S. Benson, etc. (3) Air Products Positive
386. Jerold Wagener AMOCO Positive
387. E. Jones Chevron Oil Field Res. Co. Negative
388. David Hough Self Comments
389. Julius Archibald Plattsburgh State Univ Positive
390. Geoff Croes National Research Council Comments
391. Nils Sjolund AB Foretagssimulering Negative
392. Edouard Lagache Self Negative
393. Declan Rieb Sandia Comments
394. Stuart Nelan Self Negative
395. Tommaso Russo Self Comments
396. Charles Hodge Boyle Engineering Corp Positivejlg@a.UUCP (Jim Giles) (03/31/88)
Gee, the list correctly identifies my comments as 'concern'. At least they're getting some things right. J. Giles Los Alamos
bobal@microsoft.UUCP (Bob Allison) (03/31/88)
In article <551@a.UUCP> jlg@a.UUCP (Jim Giles) writes: > >Gee, the list correctly identifies my comments as 'concern'. >At least they're getting some things right. > >J. Giles >Los Alamos Except that Mr. Smith is not on the committee (was once, though, I believe). A very succinct and informative list. I've copied it and am going to take it to the next meeting if that is okay. I only hope the committee views the letters in approximately the same light. "<click><click> There's no place like home...There's no place like home..." (If only I could wake up back in Kansas right now) Bob Allison
hirchert@uxe.cso.uiuc.edu (04/01/88)
A few preliminary comments on the summary of the Fortran 8x public comment: 1. How did you get this info so fast? I'm a member of X3J3, and I've only received about 3/4 of them. 2. How many of those negative letters were form letters? In the letters received before the last X3J3 meeting (about 90), more than half of the negative comments (about 35) were form letters. 3. Some of the letters characterized as negative are from people I know to be generally in favor of 8x (although they have specific concerns about the current draft). 4. What did CBEMA do with my 42 page comment? I wonder how many others are unaccounted for? Kurt W. Hirchert National Center for Supercomputing Applications
bobal@microsoft.UUCP (Bob Allison) (04/12/88)
In article <50500042@uxe.cso.uiuc.edu> hirchert@uxe.cso.uiuc.edu writes: > >A few preliminary comments on the summary of the Fortran 8x public comment: >1. How did you get this info so fast? I'm a member of X3J3, and I've only > received about 3/4 of them. X3 members got them before we did: I assume he got his from them. >2. How many of those negative letters were form letters? In the letters > received before the last X3J3 meeting (about 90), more than half of the > negative comments (about 35) were form letters. Well, we're going to have this debate in the committee, but I'm willing to debate it in public too. First off, I challenge you to produce the form letters. If you include the ones which apparently were organized by Convex, I doubt you would include #115, by Brian J. Christianson, which has as a quote "Are these folks really in the ball game here or have they spent too much time programming in COBOL?" (In other words, while a lot of letters have the same general form, but many of them have very individual comments) And besides, I do not believe many of the other letters which were signed by more than one person (and therefore a "form letter") were illegitimate in any way. We can argue whether the people who signed the letters were given slanted presentations of the standard, but that is a whole new ball game. >3. Some of the letters characterized as negative are from people I know to be > generally in favor of 8x (although they have specific concerns about the > current draft). I agree. I'm trying to compile a list of specific examples, which I will send to Presley Smith along with a request to re-publish. How about you? In the mean time, let's avoid generalizations. >4. What did CBEMA do with my 42 page comment? I wonder how many others are > unaccounted for? > From what I've heard it is a real mess. There are 396 which made it before the deadline, but Jeanne Adams (the chairperson of X3J3) has about a hundred more which we should consider as well. Potentially, yours could be one of those hundred. >Kurt W. Hirchert National Center for Supercomputing Applications (who, by the way, is hosting the next meeting. It will be at the University of Illinois, from May 9 to May 13, somewhere on campus. I'm sure observers are welcome as long as they don't flood the place). Bob Allison
psmith@convex.UUCP (04/14/88)
Here is a correction that I have received:
I am sorry to impose on you again, but two of the UK entries (183 and 200) are
incorrectly ascribed to Edinburgh University. The correct entries are below. I
don't know how official the list is, but there are several inadequacies of
identification in the batch I forwarded from BSI (principally 182-206) and
corrected versions are shown below in case they are of use. Note the balance of
positive and negative in this lot!
David
182. J. Gillies British Aerospace Comments
183. Irene Cummings Royal Aircraft Est, Farnborough Positive
184. G.W. Foster Royal Aircraft Est, Bedford Positive
185. Paul White Meterological Office Positive
186. K.C. Moore Atomic Weapons Est, Aldermaston Positive
187. P. Basnett The Electricity Council Positive
188. M. R. O'Donohoe Computer Lab, Cambridge Univ Negative
189. P. T. Wallace Rutherford Appleton Lab Positive
190. David Tilley University of London Positive
191. Paul Sandy Exeter University Positive
192. Ken Peach University of Edinburgh Positive
193. Tony J. Ibbs Laser-Scan Labs Positive
194. M. G. Richardson NAG Ltd. Comments
195. Peter Jewell Bradford University Positive
196. Clive Page University of Leicester Positive
197. Tony Lynas-Gray University College London Positive
198. Stephen Hart Imperial College Positive
199. Michael Denby University of Leicester Positive
200. Clive Hall National Physical Laboratory Comments
201. G.N. Lance University of Bristol Positive
202. Paul Lamb University College London Positive
203. R. Wells Clarendon Lab, Oxford University Positive
204. J. B. Young Seismic Data Centre Negative
205. Andrew Harris Z & S Consultants Limited Negative
206. R. Wells Clarendon Lab, Oxford University Positive
++++
In fact the ANSI transmittal form is wrong from #183 and my fingers
got messed up on #200.
Please send any other corrections you may have. This list is certainly
NOT perfect...psmith@convex.UUCP (04/14/88)
Since this debate is going on the net, I will add my 2 cents worth. In article <50500042@uxe.cso.uiuc.edu> hirchert@uxe.cso.uiuc.edu writes: > >A few preliminary comments on the summary of the Fortran 8x public comment: >1. How did you get this info so fast? I'm a member of X3J3, and I've only > received about 3/4 of them. I do in fact receive my input from the X3 organization. As Bob Allison states, they tend to get the information before the X3J3 organization does. >2. How many of those negative letters were form letters? In the letters > received before the last X3J3 meeting (about 90), more than half of the > negative comments (about 35) were form letters. I'm afraid that ANSI rules don't distinguish between "form" letters and any other letter. Each comment received must be treated as an individual comment. IBM certainly only has one vote on X3J3 just as a person on the committee who represents only himself and his interests has one vote. In a similar way, a letter from a group with many signatures only counts as ONE comment. Each comment is given a transmittal number by the X3 Secretariat and the committee must write exactly one response to each transmittal. Just as IBM gets one vote, each letter, no matter how many signers, must get equal treatment as one comment by the committee. There are no procedures in the ANSI process for petitions, letters, etc. signed by many people. Several groups held seminars on the subject. Boeing, CONVEX, CERN, etc. In our seminar, we point out positive aspects of the proposed standard and the negative aspects. We also summarize the comments from IBM and others. At the end, we encourage people to write to the committee but we didn't control their comments. We did in fact provide a summary of things that we believed to be positive and things that we believed to be negative. Some of the "form" letters you see is a result of people using those lists to write their individual letter. Each individual wrote their own letter. (I was disappointed that more individuals who said they would write didn't!) Over two thousand letters were received from the COBOL 8x public review in 1981. There was in fact a FORM letter and many of the responses were exactly this form letter. May people just copied the form letter on the copier and typed in their name and company name...they didn't even bother to retype it on their own letterhead or remove the top line which was "MODEL..." shown below. Here's what that letter said: MODEL LETTER FOR GENERAL OBJECTIONS Chairman X3J4 etc. "We are opposed to the subject dpANS, primarily because it is not upward compatible with x3.23-1974 COBOL. Programs that have been written in the current American National Standard should not have to be rewritten simply to comply with a new COBOL Standard. We reserve the right to comment at a later date on other techinical matters regarding dpANS x3.23-198X COBOL" Very truly yours _________________________ Now, that's a form letter... The English wasn't even good in it... The committee had to answer all of them anyway... >3. Some of the letters characterized as negative are from people I know to be > generally in favor of 8x (although they have specific concerns about the > current draft). In my original note, I stated that I would take corrections. I have just issued corrections received from one person. Please have the individual that wrote the comment send me the correction. I don't want it second hand because then someone else's opinion gets added and might be wrong just as my opinion might be wrong. Again, I WILL RE-PUBLISH ANY LEGITIMATE CORRECTIONS... >4. What did CBEMA do with my 42 page comment? I wonder how many others are > unaccounted for? > Officially, the committee does NOT have to look at any comment that came in after the cutoff date. Bob is right, that could be a real mess. After the cutoff, letters can be considered as any other letter that comes directly to the committee. But, the committee is certainly not bound in that case to follow the public review comment reply rules... I'm sure this will be debated...