[comp.lang.fortran] Where are the fortran jobs?

wjones@andromeda.rutgers.edu.rutgers.edu (Wendell E Jones) (05/12/89)

	I was wondering .. Do companys out there in the real world still
	use fortran.
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jlg@lanl.gov (Jim Giles) (05/12/89)

From article <May.11.21.46.14.1989.11269@galaxy.rutgers.edu>, by wjones@andromeda.rutgers.edu.rutgers.edu (Wendell E Jones):
> 
> 	I was wondering .. Do companys out there in the real world still
> 	use fortran.

By a recent survey in ComputerWorld (or some such newsprint style mag)
Fortran is the third most common language on mainframes (second to 
COBOL and to RPG II).  All other languages were clumped under the label
"others" which represented a smaller share than any of the first three
by itself.

spl@mcnc.org (Steve Lamont) (05/12/89)

In article <May.11.21.46.14.1989.11269@galaxy.rutgers.edu> wjones@andromeda (the ronin) writes:
>
>	I was wondering .. Do companys out there in the real world still
>	use fortran.

I don't know about companies, but most of the scientists that I work
with use it regularly.  Most of the heavyweight engineering codes I know
of are written in FORTRAN, as well.  ANSYS, NASTRAN, GAUSSIAN 8x, are
all written in FORTRAN.  Anything having to do with supercomputers is
likely written in FORTRAN (hell, I know of one supercomputer *operating
system* which is written in a dialect of FORTRAN).

I'm not sure whether this is responsive to your question or not but
FORTRAN is still quite alive and kicking out in the "real" (or perhaps
double precision :-) world!

khb%chiba@Sun.COM (Keith Bierman - SPD Languages Marketing -- MTS) (05/16/89)

In article <May.11.21.46.14.1989.11269@galaxy.rutgers.edu> wjones@andromeda (the ronin) writes:
>
>	I was wondering .. Do companys out there in the real world still
>	use fortran.
>*  W.E.Jones A.K.A. The Ronin                          |"I'm a certified nut *
>*  U.S.Mail 91 Ackerson St. Hackensack New Jersey 07601| with a history of   *
>* "Nan ja desu karma ka?  Karma desu karma. Neh?"      | violence!!!"        *
>* "Lesson #1: Never no never underestimate your own stupitity"|    M. Keaton *


Well, we (Sun) are selling lots of Fortran compilers ... so there is
serious interest in compiling codes :>

From the questions we get asked by customers, it would appear that
there is serious development work going on.

Having been on the customer side until the last couple of years, I
know that we did all development in Fortran for a variety of reasons:

1)	always available on target system
2)	most portable (if used in a disiplined fashion)
3)	best quality of optimization on sophisticated systems.

Now that I am a vendor, I fully appreciate why #3 is not likely to
change in my lifetime.

The next rev of X3.9 (the ISO token for Fortran) provides a nice
growth path for the language, all things considered.

When the start of the public review period is known, it will be posted
here (with instructions in how to get a copy).

If you don't mind learning about the OLD proposal, Metcalf and Reid's
book "Fortran 8x Explained" is much better reading. The standard
itself is not meant for humans :>

M&R will have a revised edition; but it is not likely to come out
before public review is over.

My personal recomendation is to get the book now; get the standard
later and then comment as required.

Cheerio.
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