oz@yunexus.UUCP (Ozan Yigit) (02/13/88)
I have, earlier on comp.sources.d, mentioned that I picked up the sources for UNSW prolog from a recent RSX-11 DECUS tape, and that I indend to post it to usenet. Aside from "please post" type of mail, one person did remind me that this prolog was available directly from its author years ago, and at that time some paperwork was required to get it. A readme file in the DECUS submission indicated that this software was "picked off the net", where "net" is probably the Australian leg of usenet, or some other network. This is what was in READ.ME: | This is UNSW Prolog off the net. It is PD distributable but not for | profit. These sources will run on VMS or Unix. | So, if somebody who knows the situation could clarify for me, it would be much appreciated. Especially if somebody knows the e-mail address for Claude Sammut, please do tell. I will make an effort to contact him, if he is reachable. Failing that, I will try to trace the submitter to the RSX tape and the U. of New South Wales. Failing both, I will assume that the readme is correct, and I will post the sources. oz -- Those who lose the sight Usenet: [decvax|ihnp4]!utzoo!yunexus!oz of what is really important ......!seismo!mnetor!yunexus!oz are destined to become Bitnet: oz@[yusol|yulibra|yuyetti] irrelevant. - anon Phonet: +1 416 736-5257 x 3976
daveh@cheops.OZ (David Hume) (02/22/88)
> So, if somebody who knows the situation could clarify for me, it > would be much appreciated. Especially if somebody knows the e-mail > address for Claude Sammut, please do tell. I will make an effort to > contact him, if he is reachable. Failing that, I will try to trace > the submitter to the RSX tape and the U. of New South Wales. Failing > both, I will assume that the readme is correct, and I will post the > sources. Do not dare post UNSW-Prolog to the net, or you will face criminal prosecution! (Claude Sammut's net address currently is "claude@turing.ac.uk"). I am in charge of the distribution of UNSW-Prolog at the moment, and for your information EVERY distribution must have the following license agreement distributed with it:- Claude Sammut Department of Computer Science University of New South Wales P.O. Box 1 Kensington, N.S.W. 2033 Australia Dear Dr. Sammut, By this letter we agree to the following: o+ The use of the UNSW Prolog software will be limited to educa- tional and research purposes. o+ We will not distribute the UNSW Prolog software without the author's (Claude Sammut) prior written permission. o+ Copyright notices will be preserved in all the UNSW Prolog software o+ There are no warranties, express or implied, with regard to the material provided. Accordingly, the author assumes no ob- ligation to provide any assistance of any kind whatsoever, or to furnish any additional material. o+ The UNSW Prolog Programmer's Manual distributed with the software may be copied freely. Finally, it is understood that all ownership rights to the UNSW software lies with Claude Sammut and the University of New South Wales. SIGNED: DATE: COMPANY:
oz@yunexus.UUCP (Ozan Yigit) (02/29/88)
In article <749@cheops.OZ> daveh@cheops.OZ (David Hume) writes: >> So, if somebody who knows the situation could clarify for me, it >> would be much appreciated. > >Do not dare post UNSW-Prolog to the net, or you will face criminal >prosecution! I am sure you would want to re-word this sentence. There is no need to issue threats. [I have received a private e-mail copy of this "posting", and responded to it.] I have been in touch with the Dr. Sammut, and received a response from him. I have no interest in violating any copyrights or distribution restrictions, and that is why I tried (and eventually succeeded) to contact the author. At this point, Dr. Sammut does not wish the interpreter to be distributed through usenet, for a number of reasons. Fair enough. As for UNSW people, they should get in touch with DECUS US Library folks, and request that the prolog submission in the RSX87A tape be removed, as it appears to be an unauthorized submission. [It will probably be a bit too late to stop it from getting around though...] My apologies to those of you who were excited by the prospect of seeing a nice and tidy prolog interpreter posted to the net. I suggest that you obtain a copy the PD SB-Prolog system, an excellent prolog system (+ compiler for WAM) by Saumya Debray. For more information, write to: SB-Prolog Distribution Dept. of Computer Science University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721, USA SB-Prolog is available at the distribution cost from UofA ($20/$40). You also do not risk "criminal prosecution" if you pass it to a nearby site. oz ----- PS: I have no connection with the University of Arizona. I just like what they have been doing in their CS Department. -- ... and they will all Usenet: [decvax|ihnp4]!utzoo!yunexus!oz bite the dust ... ......!seismo!mnetor!yunexus!oz comprehensively. ... Bitnet: oz@[yusol|yulibra|yuyetti] Archbishop Tutu Phonet: +1 416 736-5257 x 3976
tvf@cci632.UUCP (Tom Frauenhofer) (10/05/89)
Hello. I have a copy of the source for UNSW prolog that I have spent a lot of time hacking. Anyway, I've modified it so that it uses the same syntax as C Prolog, plus added a few of the "niceties" to it. The one thing I am lacking is the code for the 'retract' clause. I am willing to hack this in, but I was curious if anyone else had already done this. After I have completed this, I will post my diffs to whatever bulletin board is considered appropriate, and I will make the source available via anonymous UUCP from my home system. Thank you for your help. Thomas V. Frauenhofer ...!rutgers!rochester!cci632!ccird7!tvf *or* ...!rochester!kodak!swamps!frau!tvf *or* ...!attctc!swamps!frau!tvf "The Earth? I'm going to blow it up. It obstructs my view of Venus" - Martin
ntm1169@dsac.UUCP (Mott Given) (10/09/89)
From article <31019@cci632.UUCP>, by tvf@cci632.UUCP (Tom Frauenhofer): > Hello. I have a copy of the source for UNSW prolog that I have spent a lot > ... , I will make the source available via anonymous UUCP from my home system What does UNSW in UNSW prolog stand for? How do you do anonymous UUCP to get the source code you offer? -- Mott Given @ Defense Logistics Agency Systems Automation Center, DSAC-TMP, Bldg. 27-1, P.O. Box 1605, Columbus, OH 43216-5002 INTERNET: mgiven@dsac.dla.mil UUCP: ntm1169@dsacg1.uucp Phone: 614-238-9431 AUTOVON: 850-9431 FAX: 614-238-3214 I speak for myself
ok@cs.mu.oz.au (Richard O'Keefe) (10/09/89)
In article <1549@dsac.UUCP>, ntm1169@dsac.UUCP (Mott Given) writes:
: From article <31019@cci632.UUCP>, by tvf@cci632.UUCP (Tom Frauenhofer):
: > Hello. I have a copy of the source for UNSW prolog that I have spent a lot
: > ... , I will make the source available via anonymous UUCP from my home system
: What does UNSW in UNSW prolog stand for?
: How do you do anonymous UUCP to get the source code you offer?
UNSW stands for "University of New South Wales" (in NSW, Australia).
The last time I checked, UNSW Prolog was *not* public domain and *not*
copylefted. It really might be a good idea to check with Claude Sammut
(claude@spectrum.eecs.unsw.oz) before shipping copies of UNSW Prolog around.
If it turns out that UNSW Prolog _can_ be copied freely these days, it
would be a good idea for someone to post a message to that effect.
There are at least two Prolog systems which _can_ be distributed:
(a) Stony Brook Prolog is reasonably Edinburgh-compatible, and is covered by
a GNU-style copyleft. It has extension tables and other nice things.
(b) Berkeley Prolog is covered by a Berkeley copyright but can be distributed;
I haven't tried it out yet, but it looks Edinburgh-ish and has a state-of-
the-art garbage collector.tvf@cci632.UUCP (Tom Frauenhofer) (10/09/89)
Okay, folks, there seems to be a problem with doing anything with UNSW Prolog. One person mentioned that Claude Sammut (the original author and copyright holder) is not happy about the availability of this package. Does anyone have an e-mail address so I can get in touch with him about my changes, and at least get his blessing to distributed my diffs to his software? By the way, if anyone has a retract for UNSW, I'm still interested. Thomas V. Frauenhofer ...!rutgers!rochester!cci632!ccird7!tvf *or* ...!rochester!kodak!swamps!frau!tvf *or* ...!attctc!swamps!frau!tvf "The Earth? I'm going to blow it up. It obstructs my view of Venus" - Martin
tvf@cci632.UUCP (Tom Frauenhofer) (10/10/89)
In article <1549@dsac.UUCP> ntm1169@dsac.UUCP (Mott Given) writes: >From article <31019@cci632.UUCP>, by tvf@cci632.UUCP (Tom Frauenhofer): >> Hello. I have a copy of the source for UNSW prolog that I have spent a lot >> ... , I will make the source available via anonymous UUCP from my home system > How do you do anonymous UUCP to get the source code you offer? As many people have pointed out, I do not have authorization to distribute the source code. Until such time as I do, I will not make it available. If I ever get such authorization, I will post the relevant details. Sorry. (I posted this rather than mailing it to make this point clear.) Thomas V. Frauenhofer ...!rutgers!rochester!cci632!ccird7!tvf *or* ...!rochester!kodak!swamps!frau!tvf *or* ...!attctc!swamps!frau!tvf "The Earth? I'm going to blow it up. It obstructs my view of Venus" - Martin
beser@tron.UUCP (Eric Beser) (10/19/89)
In article <2339@munnari.oz.au>, ok@cs.mu.oz.au (Richard O'Keefe) writes: > In article <1549@dsac.UUCP>, ntm1169@dsac.UUCP (Mott Given) writes: > : From article <31019@cci632.UUCP>, by tvf@cci632.UUCP (Tom Frauenhofer): > : > Hello. I have a copy of the source for UNSW prolog that I have spent a lot > : > ... , I will make the source available via anonymous UUCP from my home system > : What does UNSW in UNSW prolog stand for? > : How do you do anonymous UUCP to get the source code you offer? > > UNSW stands for "University of New South Wales" (in NSW, Australia). > The last time I checked, UNSW Prolog was *not* public domain and *not* > copylefted. It really might be a good idea to check with Claude Sammut > (claude@spectrum.eecs.unsw.oz) before shipping copies of UNSW Prolog around. The UNSW prolog compiler may be found on the arpanet (simtel20), on compuserve in the AIExpert forum, on Austin Tool Works BBS (in Texas) and on other BBS's. Ity was also distributed via the C users group. If it was not public domain, it has been so difused that it might as well be. In any case, all copies came minus the library file to be read in whenever the interpreter starts. I am working on a series of predicates that interface to Guido van Rostom's STDWIN package through Xwindows. I would be interested in posting those diffs as well, and acquiring via email the diffs to bring it up to C-prolog status. Eric Beser Westinghouse ESG Advanced Technology Group (301)-993-6205 ebeser@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu
ok@cs.mu.oz.au (Richard O'Keefe) (10/20/89)
In article <447@tron.UUCP>, beser@tron.UUCP (Eric Beser) writes: [I said, and still stand by:] > > It really might be a good idea to check with Claude Sammut > > (claude@spectrum.eecs.unsw.oz) before shipping copies of UNSW Prolog around. > I would be interested in posting those diffs > as well, and acquiring via email the diffs to bring it up to C-prolog > status. The status of C Prolog is "hopelessly obsolete" and has been for the last several years. For a "research" Prolog, try SICStus Prolog or NU Prolog. There is also the copylefted Stony Brook Prolog. I took the trouble to include Claude Sammut's E-mail address in my posting (and Eric Beser quoted it!) so that someone wanting a legitimate copy of the latest and greatest UNSW Prolog can ask the author how to do so. (You may have to write the address as claude@spectrum.eecs.unsw.oz.AU)