ksf@security.UUCP (Kieth S. Fung) (09/27/83)
This question has been bugging me ever since I saw Mad Max starring Mel Gibson. The same car that he drove at the end of MM he drove in the sequel The Road Warrior. But what the hell is it? It must have been based on an existing car ( the "stripped down" versions were driven by all the other cops in MM), not just made for the movies. All I noticed that the caar was a right hand drive one, and there are damn few automobile makers in the world that still make right hand drive models. BTW I don't want to know what the movie characters say either (the last of the police 2?9 intercepters). I want to know what the car it was based on is. Keith Fung Mitre Bedford, Mass
allan@qusavx.UUCP (09/29/83)
Not many car manufacturers make right hand drive cars eh? Hmmm, what about
General Motors
Ford
Volvo
British Layland
Saab
BMW
Porsche
Rolls Royce
Bentley
Datsun
Toyota
Honda
Jeep
Renault
VW
Citroen
Fiat
Mercedes
Morgan
Plus quite a few others. The world doesn't end at the East coast You know.
Allan {decvax,cbosgd,vax135}!qusavx!allansammut@uiuccsb.UUCP (09/30/83)
#R:security:-55300:uiuccsb:10000013:000:255 uiuccsb!sammut Sep 29 19:21:00 1983 The car in Mad Max was a Ford Falcon (now superceded) designed and built in Australia. Australians drive on the left as in England. The car was GREATLY modified for the movie. I don't think you could buy something like that! Claude Sammut U. of Illinois
jeh@ritcv.UUCP (James E Heliotis) (10/01/83)
Thanks, Allan, for setting that guy straight about right-hand drive cars.
Let me add that, not only do they drive on the left in Australia, but Japan,
too.
Jim Heliotis
{allegra,seismo}!rochester!ritcv!jeh
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ritcv!jeh@Rochesterm1b@rayssd.UUCP (04/25/85)
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The movie, Mad Max, as shown on cable, seems to be dubbed into
'American'. I've seen it on both HBO and the Movie Channel with this
dubbing. To confirm this, just listen to Mel Gibson's voice in Mad
Max. Does the movie exist in the US without this dubbing, i.e. with
the original 'Australian' language? Watching the dubbed Mad Max is
rather grating on the nerves! They must use the same voices that are
used to dub spaghetti westerns! Thanks.
Joe Barone, {allegra, decvax!brunix, linus, ccice5}!rayssd!m1b
Raytheon Co, Submarine Signal Div., Box 330, Portsmouth, RI 02871cherson@fsleng.DEC (04/29/85)
To answer Joe Barone's question regarding the dubbing of MAD MAX, I saw it in a movie theater, not on cable, and it contained the same idiotic dubbing. Maybe the distributor thought that American audiences couldn't understand "Austrailian English"? In any event it destroyed the movie 100%, but at least we know why Max got mad. David Cherson
daveb@rtech.ARPA (Dave Brower) (04/30/85)
> Does the movie exist in the US without this dubbing...
No. It's a reflection on both vagaries of international distribution and
on clout George Miller had at the time of the original release. Perhaps
you should call Qantas...
G'Day!
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> To answer Joe Barone's question regarding the dubbing of MAD MAX, I saw it in > a movie theater, not on cable, and it contained the same idiotic dubbing. > > Maybe the distributor thought that American audiences couldn't understand > "Austrailian English"? In any event it destroyed the movie 100%, but at > least we know why Max got mad. > David Cherson I saw `Mad Max' a couple years back with what I believe was the original soundtrack. While "ausie" isn't all that hard to decipher under good circumstances, I remember the sound as being very bad in this film. It probably had a signal-to-noise ratio of maybe 3 dB in spots. I haven't seen (or heard) the dubbed version, but I wouldn't blame someone re-recording the dialog in order to make it audible. You don't make much money from a film you can't understand. Michael Esco Boeing Aerospace
grl@charm.UUCP (George Lake) (05/01/85)
Do you realize that Mad Max was the first film of a surgeon made on a shoestring (as I recall less in real dollars than Stranger Than Paradise). I think the sound that you "see" is the sound that there was.
wong@rtech.ARPA (J. Wong) (05/01/85)
> ... regarding the dubbing of MAD MAX ...
A bit of trivia, Mel Gibson was born and raised in the US, moving down under
when he was ~12. Having seen him in several movies, I can't say that he
has much of an Australian accent at all.
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> From: dec-fsleng!cherson (David Cherson) > To answer Joe Barone's question regarding the dubbing of MAD MAX, I saw it in > a movie theater, not on cable, and it contained the same idiotic dubbing. > > Maybe the distributor thought that American audiences couldn't understand > "Austrailian English"? In any event it destroyed the movie 100%, but at > least we know why Max got mad. I wouldn't agree that "it destroyed the movie 100%", but it certainly was annoying. They didn't even overdub it completely. There are times when I was sure that I was hearing Mel Gibson's real voice, and other times when I was sure I wasn't. It all seems so ironic, too, considering that Gibson was born in the U.S. The first U.S. distributor for MAD MAX was American International, a firm that wouldn't know a class act if it came up and bit them on the nose. After Orion Pictures picked up THE ROAD WARRIOR for distribution, they bought MAD MAX away from AI. I had hoped beyond hope that Orion would've gotten fresh prints of MM to distribute, but they apparently just bought up all of the prints that AI had in its possession and re-circulated those. Of course, there *is* a way around this mess for anyone who is not adverse to a great expenditure of effort (let alone money), and really cares enough. If a videocassette of MAD MAX exists in Japan (which uses NTSC, like us; I don't know for sure, but Australia *probably* uses PAL) that is subtitled rather than dubbed into Japanese, it might be possible to get an unadulter- ated version of the movie. I have no idea how to go about inquiring about it, but its possible that someone on the net does know. I've heard of some folks who are fans of Japanese animation and trade material with people in Japan. That's a possible route. --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, Maynard, MA) UUCP: {decvax|ihnp4|allegra|ucbvax|...}!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-akov68!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%akov68.DEC@DECWRL.ARPA
myers@utcsri.UUCP (Brad A. Myers) (06/24/85)
I managed to miss all the earlier Mel Gibson movies, but want to go back and "prepare" for the new one: Questions: Is MAD MAX just a remake of Road Warrior? I.e. is it important to see Road Warrior first? Is Road Warrior worth seeing even in the dubbed American versions? Is the original version available on videotape for rental? How can I tell the difference from the box? Thanks, Brad Myers
giw@allegra.UUCP (Jerry Weil) (06/26/85)
You've got it backwards - Mad Max came first. It's a much more "human" drama, and I highly recommend it.
terryl@tekcrl.UUCP () (06/27/85)
>I managed to miss all the earlier Mel Gibson movies, but want to go back >and "prepare" for the new one: >Questions: Is MAD MAX just a remake of Road Warrior? I.e. is it important > to see Road Warrior first? > > Is Road Warrior worth seeing even in the dubbed American > versions? Is the original version available on videotape for > rental? How can I tell the difference from the box? Your questions are all backwards. MAD MAX was made first, and it is the movie with the dubbed American version. I don't know which version is on video- tape(if any). You really don't need to see MAD MAX at all; the first two or three minutes of ROAD WARRIOR has clips from MAD MAX that sums up MAD MAX pretty much. But if you really want to see both, you should see MAD MAX first.
lonetto@phri.UUCP (Michael Lonetto) (06/27/85)
> Is Road Warrior worth seeing even in the dubbed American > versions? ^^^^^^ ??????? I always thought Australians spoke something similar enough to English to allow us to understand their movies without dubbing :-) -- ____________________ Michael Lonetto PHRI NYC (allegra!phri!lonetto) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LIFE IS A TRIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
rs55611@ihuxk.UUCP (Robert E. Schleicher) (06/27/85)
> I managed to miss all the earlier Mel Gibson movies, but want to go back > and "prepare" for the new one: > > Questions: Is MAD MAX just a remake of Road Warrior? I.e. is it important > to see Road Warrior first? > > Is Road Warrior worth seeing even in the dubbed American > versions? Is the original version available on videotape for > rental? How can I tell the difference from the box? > Thanks, > Brad Myers *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE *** Mad Max is the earlier film. You should see it before seeing the Road Warrior as it provides much more in the way of characterization (of Max), and also explains a little more about the state of society in the films. Mad Max takes place in an environment that is much more similar to the present day than is the Road Warrior. In Mad Max, it seems that the nuclear war was fairly recent, as there was still some semblance of order (ie., the decay to barbarism was just starting).. The Road Warrior takes place after society has degenerated to barbarism. I found Mad Max to be much more gripping, emotionally, due to the very personal attacks made on Max and his family. The desire for revenge is very strong in this film. The Road Warrior, on the other hand, is a much more stylish and well-crafted film, but the there is less emotion involved. Bob Schleicher ihuxk!rs55611 PS. I wasn't aware there was a dubbed version of the Road Warrior, since it is Australian. Are you suggesting that the Australian accents were deemed to be too hard to understand? .
csdf@mit-vax.UUCP (Charles Forsythe) (06/29/85)
In article <1202@utcsri.UUCP> myers@utcsri.UUCP (Brad A. Myers) writes: >Questions: Is MAD MAX just a remake of Road Warrior? I.e. is it important > to see Road Warrior first? > Is Road Warrior worth seeing even in the dubbed American > versions? Is the original version available on videotape for > rental? How can I tell the difference from the box? Just to clear up what seems to be common confusion: MAD MAX came first. ROAD WARRIOR is the sequal. After ROAD WARRIOR did well, they rereleased MAD MAX with American accents dubbed in (this was a bad idea.) It is still worth seeing, although it lacks something. MAD MAX was released years ago, so most people forgot about it until ROAD WARRIOR came out. -- Charles Forsythe CSDF@MIT-VAX "The Church of Fred has yet to come under attack. No one knows about it." -Rev. Wang Zeep
lauren@vortex.UUCP (Lauren Weinstein) (06/29/85)
The next "Mad Max" movie is opening in the L.A. area on 7/14. Promos have already begun. Now, will it be in the original language or redubbed? That's the question. (One of the stars is Tina Turner. Bizarre.) --Lauren--
kre@ucbvax.ARPA (Robert Elz) (07/02/85)
In article <286@phri.UUCP>, lonetto@phri.UUCP (Michael Lonetto) writes: > > ??????? I always thought Australians spoke something similar enough to > English to allow us to understand their movies without dubbing :-) > You're right, Australians do speak something reasonably similar to English. Your conclusion that no dubbing should then be needed presumes that Americans speak something related to English in some obscure fashion. Nothing in my experience would justify that assumption...
leeper@mtgzz.UUCP (m.r.leeper) (07/03/85)
>I managed to miss all the earlier Mel Gibson movies, but >want to go back and "prepare" for the new one: > >Questions: Is MAD MAX just a remake of Road Warrior? You are asking valid questions but you have the titles reversed. MAD MAX came first and was dubbed. ROAD WARRIOR is the sequel. As a start I rate (on a -4 to +4 scale) MAD MAX a -3 and ROAD WARRIOR a +2. George Miller seemed to learn a heck of a lot about film making between the two films. MM was about the cops and the criminals (it is hard to tell which is which by the way they act) trying to ride each other down on the roads. The story is poor. The baddies, including someone called Toecutter, killed Max's partner, his son, his wife, and his little puppy dog. Then Max got mad. The film is for the most part vehicle from column A hitting vehicle from column B. I saw it at a sneak preview (with SATURN 3 which looked good by comparison) and I couldn't believe anyone would ever release the film. A month later they did. I couldn't believe when ROAD WARRIOR was getting good reviews and went in very skeptical. Miller had told a somewhat different story with wit and style. It is a solid action film with genuine characters. The copter pilot and the feral child are remarkable portraits. Also really impressive is the opening done on a narrow screen. Then you see a view of speed down a road from about a foot above the road. All of a sudden Miller goes to wide-screen. It is an impressive effect unfortunately lost on the tv screen. >I.e. is it important to see Road Warrior [MAD MAX] first? It might be important not to see MAD MAX at all!m :-) >Is Road Warrior [MAD MAX] >worth seeing even in the dubbed American versions? Hard to believe it would make much difference. >Is the original version available on videotape for rental? No idea, but I doubt it. >How can I tell the difference from the box? You probably can't, but I doubt the undubbed version is available here at all. It probably has very thick accents us Americans wouldn't understand. Mark Leeper ...ihnp4!mtgzz!leeper
cramer@kontron.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) (07/04/85)
> > > Is Road Warrior worth seeing even in the dubbed American > > versions? ^^^^^^ > > ??????? I always thought Australians spoke something similar enough to > English to allow us to understand their movies without dubbing :-) > > Michael Lonetto PHRI NYC (allegra!phri!lonetto) > Heck, I can't even understand some New Yorkers without an interpreter.