duane@anasazi.UUCP (Duane Morse) (08/02/85)
Toward the end of the movie, when the kid's parents-to-be finally kiss, the kid shows Doc the picture of himself with his brother and sister to prove that things are going to work out ok. After the movie was over, it dawned on me that Doc looked puzzled when he saw the picture, and he said something to himself such as "I was afraid of that." Did the picture show the family as the kid found them when he returned to his "present"? -- Duane Morse ...!noao!terak!anasazi!duane (602) 275-0302
mangoe@umcp-cs.UUCP (Charley Wingate) (08/05/85)
In article <249@anasazi.UUCP> duane@anasazi.UUCP (Duane Morse) writes: >Toward the end of the movie, when the kid's parents-to-be finally kiss, >the kid shows Doc the picture of himself with his brother and sister >to prove that things are going to work out ok. After the movie was >over, it dawned on me that Doc looked puzzled when he saw the >picture, and he said something to himself such as "I was afraid >of that." Did the picture show the family as the kid found them >when he returned to his "present"? I thought he was reacting to Marty's statements that his father had just decked Biff and that his father had "never stood up to Biff in his life." The future had been changed; hence the comment. C Wingate
larsen@utah-gr.UUCP (Mark Larsen) (08/06/85)
The moment you are refering to is just before Marty returns to the future. Marty had just told Doc how his father had really come through and stood up to Biff. Doc is amazed and suspects that this will cause some changes to the future since George McFly had never stood up to Biff in his life. He asks to see the picture wondering if it will now reflect the change in the future. It doesn't but Doc still isn't convinced. However, he doesn't have time to worry about it and so brushes off Marty with an "Oh never mind". I suspect that the picture couldn't change since it was with Marty in the past although one might argue that since it showed the dissappearance of his brother and sister earlier, it should now show the current state of things. Maybe they messed up and really intended to show a modified picture. -lml -- ----------- Ma faute! Comment cela? L. Mark Larsen UUCP: {decvax|ihnp4|hplabs|seismo}!utah-gr!larsen ARPA: oper.larsen@utah-20 USnail: 4602 So. 600 E. Salt Lake City, UT 84107
kwc@cvl.UUCP (Kenneth W. Crist Jr.) (08/09/85)
> I suspect that the picture couldn't change since it was with Marty > in the past although one might argue that since it showed the > dissappearance of his brother and sister earlier, it should now > show the current state of things. Maybe they messed up and really > intended to show a modified picture. > I think that if the picture showed the new future that Marty had created, it would have given away that Doc was probably alive. Until we see the Lone Pine Mall sign, we are never quite sure that he will end up in the new future or his old one. Kenneth Crist kwc@cvl Computer Vision Lab University of Maryland
brad@looking.UUCP (Brad Templeton) (08/11/85)
In article <1544@utah-gr.UUCP> larsen@utah-gr.UUCP (Mark Larsen) writes: > >I suspect that the picture couldn't change since it was with Marty >in the past although one might argue that since it showed the >dissappearance of his brother and sister earlier, it should now >show the current state of things. Maybe they messed up and really >intended to show a modified picture. I don't know what you are talking about. The picture DOES change. His siblings aren't nerds in the new picture. Here's something to look for if you go back to the movie. Marty writes a note to Doc on the stationary of the coffee shop. Now this makes no sense to me, but when we see the 30 year old taped-together letter, the letterhead is different! (Or my memory went bad, which is also possible) This is either: a) A continuity error or b) A hint that even more time travel is going on here that isn't shown. -- Brad Templeton, Looking Glass Software Ltd. - Waterloo, Ontario 519/884-7473
larsen@utah-gr.UUCP (Mark Larsen) (08/14/85)
The point was raised that having a modified picture would have given away the fact that Doc survives in the new future. I don't see how this follows. Considering that any changes in the future were caused by Marty's presence and influence in the past, whether Doc survives or not is irrelevant. Besides, the picture only shows Marty and his brother and sister and if changed, would only prove Doc's theory that Marty's shinanigans during his week-long stay had rippled into the future. I guess I generally suscribe to the single timeline view of history although it doesn't explain how Marty can see himself upon his return. -lml -- ----------- Ma faute! Comment cela? L. Mark Larsen UUCP: {decvax|ihnp4|hplabs|seismo}!utah-gr!larsen ARPA: oper.larsen@utah-20 USnail: 4602 So. 600 E. Salt Lake City, UT 84107
kwc@cvl.UUCP (Kenneth W. Crist Jr.) (08/14/85)
> I don't know what you are talking about. The picture DOES change. > His siblings aren't nerds in the new picture. > > Brad Templeton, Looking Glass Software Ltd. - Waterloo, Ontario 519/884-7473 I just saw the movie again Saturday night with some friends who had never seen it. I looked very closely at the picture when Doc looks at it after Marty gives his speech about his Dad decking Biff. The three figures are the same as they were before. Dave still has the Mickey Mouse shirt on and his sister still has the sweatshirt on. Kenneth Crist Computer Vision Lab University of Maryland Vuja de: The incredible feeling that something like this has never happened before.