billk@crash.CTS.COM (Bill Kelly) (07/16/87)
Hello. I was just curious as to how many people read comp.lang.forth?
One? Two? How about a head-count?
Thanks,
Bill
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Well, count me for one.
randy@athena.mit.edu (Randall Winchester) (07/16/87)
I always read it when there is something to read. There were two messages today, so I had my hopes up.
toma@tekgvs.TEK.COM (Tom Almy) (07/17/87)
In article <1392@crash.CTS.COM> billk@crash.CTS.COM (Bill Kelly) writes: > >Hello. I was just curious as to how many people read comp.lang.forth? >One? Two? At least two, and maybe more. > How about a head-count? Count me in. (I think the problem is that UNIX and Forth are exact oposite environments). Tom Almy
liebman@xrxns.UUCP (Chris Liebman) (07/17/87)
You should count me to! -- Chris
lord+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tom Lord) (07/17/87)
1 comp-lang-forth-readers +! I'm sure there are lots of folks who read this group and whose hopes will be raised by the presence of messages here. Rather than disappoint them, lemme ask a couple of questions to start some discussion. 1) What work has been done on garbage collectible forth systems (systems in which words can be deleted in any order, and the space they take reclaimed)? 2) What work has been done on `crash proof' forth systems? At what cost to execution speed? 3) Does there exist an object oriented forth or forth extension? Thomas Lord lord+@andrew.cmu.edu
tbg@apollo.uucp (Tom Gross) (07/17/87)
Yes, I read comp.lang.forth. I used to read misc.test too,
but there was too much traffic.
Next question:
Do you think Forth is the
1.) Anglo-saxon
2.) Latin
3.) Greek
4.) Sanskrit
of computer languages?
/tomcbbrowne@watmath.UUCP (07/17/87)
Well, here's one subscriber. I'm not sure whether this should be a follow-up
message, or a reply to the author, so I'll just add a little to the traffic on
this extremely busy :-) newsgroup. I am basically interested in the
language (I haven't implemented any real-time operating systems or built any
hard-wired Forth processors) and want to keep up with any developments that
might get mentioned here. I'm afraid that I haven't seen too many recently.
I guess that things have slowed down a bit for the summer.
If anyone has a VAX UNIX Forth available, please let me know (post on the
net, or reply to me by e-mail).
Christopher Browne
University of Waterloo
Faculty of Mathematics
cbbrowne@watmath
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Christopher Browne
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cbbrowne@watmathkarl@haddock.ISC.COM (Karl Heuer) (07/18/87)
In article <2460@tekgvs.TEK.COM> toma@tekgvs.UUCP (Tom Almy) writes: >In article <1392@crash.CTS.COM> billk@crash.CTS.COM (Bill Kelly) writes: >>Hello. I was just curious as to how many people read comp.lang.forth? >>How about a head-count? > >Count me in. Please, folks; polls should always be conducted by e-mail, not by followups. If you want to announce that you read this newsgroup, mail that statement to Bill and let him post the results. Otherwise we're just wasting so much bandwidth. >(I think the problem is that UNIX and Forth are exact oposite environments). That didn't stop me from writing a Forth semicompiler% in C under UNIX. I found it really convenient for executing system calls without having to wrap a C program around them. Karl W. Z. Heuer (ima!haddock!karl or karl@haddock.isc.com), The Walking Lint % "semicompiler" because it's somewhere between a compiler and interpretne w
oster@dewey.soe.berkeley.edu (David Phillip Oster) (07/18/87)
In article <sUzP8Vy00Us=wNM0-x@andrew.cmu.edu> lord+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tom Lord) writes: >3) Does there exist an object oriented forth or forth extension? I have previously posted to this group a record sturcture package for forth. If you store forth words in fields of a a record, you can easily build a dispatcher that does a DUP .method_foo @ EXECUTE this is equivalent to calling the foo method of the object on the top of stack and passing it itself as an argument. Inheritance is equally easy to do. Type checking, and compile time type checking, are also possible, but more difficult. The macintosh product NEON already does a good deal of this. --- David Phillip Oster --My Good News: "I'm a perfectionist." Arpa: oster@dewey.soe.berkeley.edu --My Bad News: "I don't charge by the hour." Uucp: {seismo,decvax,...}!ucbvax!oster%dewey.soe.berkeley.edu
oltz@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (Michael Oltz) (07/18/87)
In article <361df8fc.d5c4@apollo.uucp>, tbg@apollo.uucp (Tom Gross) writes: > Do you think Forth is the > 1.) Anglo-saxon > 2.) Latin > 3.) Greek > 4.) Sanskrit > of computer languages? I always thought it was (reverse) Polish. :-) (Were you baiting people to say that?) -- Mike Oltz oltz@tcgould.tn.cornell.UUCP
mef@aplvax.UUCP (Martin E. Fraeman) (07/18/87)
Hello, I read this group too! In article <sUzP8Vy00Us=wNM0-x@andrew.cmu.edu>, lord+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tom Lord) writes: > 3) Does there exist an object oriented forth or forth extension? > > Thomas Lord > lord+@andrew.cmu.edu Bob Davis just gave a very interesting talk at the Maryland FIG meeting about his object oriented Forth based on F83. Its supposed to be posted on the East Coast Forth bulletin board. If there's interest, I ought to (if I can figure out an IBM PC) be able to post it. Marty Fraeman US Mail: Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory Johns Hopkins Road Laurel, Md. 20707 301-953-5000 x8360 Usenet: {...allegra,seismo}!umcp-cs!aplcen!aplvax!mef Arpanet: mef@aplvax.arpa
elg@killer.UUCP (Eric Green) (07/18/87)
in article <1392@crash.CTS.COM>, billk@crash.CTS.COM (Bill Kelly) says: > Hello. I was just curious as to how many people read comp.lang.forth? > One? Two? How about a head-count? Probably more than you think. Alas, people don't ever seem to have anything to POST to comp.lang.forth, even when given something to respond to. For example, I posted a request for the address of the Forth Interest Group. To the sound of null silence. I eventually found it in the back of a FORTH book in the library. I guess it's because Forth is a dying language except on microwave controller chips... after all, who would want to write unreadable FORTH programs, when they can write unreadable "C" programs instead?! -- Eric Green elg%usl.CSNET Ron Headrest: A President {cbosgd,ihnp4}!killer!elg for the Electronic Age! Snail Mail P.O. Box 92191 Lafayette, LA 70509 BBS phone #: 318-984-3854 300/1200 baud
rex@otto.COM (Rex Jolliff) (07/18/87)
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Count me also. I read it whenever there stuff in here.
Are there any existing oerating systems written in forth? Industrial or
otherwise?
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What happened to our superior space program?aglew@ccvaxa.UUCP (07/18/87)
Another comp.lang.forth reader. I was a FORTH user for a while. Now (fortunately/unfortunately? I'm not sure) I'm working on UNIX, so don't have much to say, but am ready to listen. Particularly if anybody can tell me anything about the NOVIX chip...
ken@rochester.arpa (Ken Yap) (07/20/87)
|Particularly if anybody can tell me anything |about the NOVIX chip... Disclaimer: I am not a Forth user although I have a liking for "strange" languages that make me think about algorithms in a different way. Besides Forth, my list includes APL, Prolog, Icon, and Lisp. (Of course I use garden variety languages too.) My recollections may therefore be incorrect so take this with a grain of salt. I took a look at the vendor displays at the recent Forth conference in Rochester. The Novix chip was there and being used by an OEM, so it's real. You can buy a starter kit (connect a terminal and you're off and running) for $495. It currently runs at 10M instruction/sec. The techie I talked to said that is *at least* 10 million Forth primitives per second. Presumably this means the internal clock rate is higher. Faster chips (16M?) are projected. Sorry, all my brochures are at the office so I have no addresses. If I got any of this wrong and you know better, please correct me. Ken
afoster@ogcvax.UUCP (Allan Foster) (07/20/87)
I do. I read this news group. Please will you publish the count when you have counted the many thousands of responses that you are going to get!!!! Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from MAGIC Arthur C. Clarke. Allan Foster afoster@ogcvax
bill@westpt.usma.edu (Bill Gunshannon) (07/20/87)
In article <1392@crash.CTS.COM>, billk@crash.CTS.COM (Bill Kelly) writes: > Hello. I was just curious as to how many people read comp.lang.forth? > One? Two? How about a head-count? You can count me in!!! bill gunshannon UUCP: {philabs,phri}!westpt!bill PHONE: (914)446-7747 US SNAIL: Martin Marietta Data Systems RADIO: KB3YV USMA, Bldg 600, Room 26 AX.25 KB3YV @ WA2RKN West Point, NY 10996
peter@sugar.UUCP (Peter da Silva) (07/22/87)
In article <361df8fc.d5c4@apollo.uucp>, tbg@apollo.uucp (Tom Gross) writes: > Do you think Forth is the <list of languages> of computer languages? Japanese. Or Chinese. Something with atomic words and postfix grammar. -- -- Peter da Silva `-_-' ...!seismo!soma!uhnix1!sugar!peter (I said, NO PHOTOS!)
dickow@ui3.UUCP (07/23/87)
In comp.lang.forth / lord+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tom Lord) asks: >1) (...are there any systems in) >which words can be deleted in any order, and the space they take reclaimed)? > I use Delta Research's 'JForth' on the Amiga. They will have a way to eliminate unused words in a finished application. >2) What work has been done on `crash proof' forth systems? At what cost to >execution speed? I am working on a crash-proof programmer...myself. And failing. >3) Does there exist an object oriented forth or forth extension? Again, JForth has 'obe', an obj oriented environment based on smalltalk that takes, I think, about 23k of dictionary space. It's nifty. Finally, concerning this newsgroup, I do check it out. Curiously, not too many folks contribute to it. I for one would like to see more discussion and even examples of source code. Hows about it folks?! Bob Dickow (...egg-id!ui3!dickow)
alastair@geovision.UUCP (Alastair Mayer) (07/28/87)
In article <sUzP8Vy00Us=wNM0-x@andrew.cmu.edu> lord+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tom Lord) writes: > >3) Does there exist an object oriented forth or forth extension? > If I remember right (its been a couple years, I may not) Dave Forsey developed a language 'Faf' (or 'Fafhrd') which is an object-oriented forth-like language. This was a couple years back at U of Guelph, Dave since moved on to Waterloo U. (Dave, are you out there?) Anyway the language has (or had) a small but enthusiastic local following, if you're seriously interested you might try to track it down. -- Alastair JW Mayer BIX: al UUCP: ...!utzoo!dciem!nrcaer!cognos!geovision!alastair (Why do they call it a signature file if I can't actually *sign* anything?)