jlfox@cisunx.UUCP (05/13/88)
I've seen FORTH implementations for the Apple ][ GS but not for the //+, //e, or //c. Can anybody point me at a "6502 FORTH?" --Jim Fox jlfox@unix.cis.pittsburgh.edu jlfox@pittvms.bitnet
galew@hpsmtc1.HP.COM (Gale Wolfenbarger) (05/13/88)
Sure, there have been a couple of them around. Naturally you can get fig forth if you are really into pain. Or there is graph-forth which does a very nice job with graphics. And there is another one that the name escapes me right now. Seems like it was Dr. somebodies forth. It probably isn't around any more and wasn't real great any way. Sorry I really can't tell you who sells these. I know that they were being distributed out of Mountain View, California. I believe the company was the Mountain View Press. Their phone number is 415-961-4103. Sorry I couldn't be more help. Good luck in your search. A lot of these packages just aren't available any more.
thomson@utah-cs.UUCP (Richard A Thomson) (05/14/88)
In article <9689@cisunx.UUCP> jlfox@cisunx.UUCP (James L Fox) writes: >I've seen FORTH implementations for the Apple ][ GS but not >for the //+, //e, or //c. Can anybody point me at a >"6502 FORTH?" I have documentation for "Metacrafts FORTH for Apple II". Their address is: Metacrafts, Ltd. 144 Crewe Road Shavington Crewe CW2 5AJ England Here's the table of contents for the manual: I Intallation Guide II Development Tools 1. COPY 2. DOCUMENT 3. DECODE and DUMP 4. Screen Editor 5. DEBUG III System Description 1. Word Sets 2. Internal Details 3. Vocabulary Mechanism 4. Execution Vectors 5. Overlays 6. Buffer and Heap Management 7. Language Card 8. Local Variables 9. 6502 Assembler 10. Strings, Graphics and Game Controllers IV Glossary "Metacrafts FORTH is a high performance implementation of the FORTH language and operating system for the Apple II/IIe computers. It is fully compatible with the 1979 definition of the language as documented by the FORTH standards team." -- Rich USnail: Richard Thomson, Design Engineer, Oasis Technologies, 3190 MEB, University of Utah, Salt Lake City, Utah 84112 FONE: (801) 584-4555: Talk to a machine; they're lonely. ARPA: thomson@cs.utah.edu UUCP: {bellcore, ihnp4, ut-sally}!utah-cs!thomson Science: the modern mythology
mdg@smegma.UUCP (Marc de Groot) (05/15/88)
I recommend Lyon's Forth for the Apple ][. IT is reasonably robust, has a
decent editor, disk utilities, and is based on fig-Forth. It was written
by George Lyons, who (I believe) started the New Jersey chapter of fig.
I have a copy, but no machine to copy it on...
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"Look, he's mounting a tape!" "Quick, throw cold water on him!"mackay@dalcsug.UUCP (Daniel MacKay) (05/15/88)
Two guys here in Halifax, Tom Bushell and George Matthews, have written a pretty good Forth and connected it to ProDOS (respectively), called Telekinetics Forth. I use it occasionally and really like the OS interface. George claims that his system has segmented memory swapping but I've never quite been able to figure out how to use it.(he swaps the editor in and out when he's doing development). George's Forth system runs his house's security system, the greenhouse, the heating system, and the solar collector, and is connected to a voice synthesizer and a dialler which sends him messages on his pager when anything unusual happens. It's a bit weird to work with George.... "BEEP BEEP BEEP Propagation bed is overheating!" - the sun was shining on the propagation bed. The machine thought the thermostat had malfunctioned. "BEEP BEEP BEEP Propagation bed is under control" - these two messages repeated about 10 times in one partially-clouded afternoon. "BEEP BEEP BEEP Somebody's home" - not a particularly helpful message since the house doesn't know WHO's home. "BEEP BEEP BEEP Home Control system four point five is on the air" - power had gone off and machine had rebooted. The main control loop for the program ticks the //e's speaker about every second. There's a separate box that listens for the tics and shuts the power off to the //e for about 15 seconds if the heartbeat fails (because of a power glitch, for instance, nuking memory). It's neat to be in George's basement when the system's off, in total silence (except for a slow crackle from the woodstove with all its dampers shut) and have the system come back up. Fans come on, circulators in the open solar system gurgle, dampers flap, relays and solenoids clatter and the house comes alive again. In the winter, kids tease the house by throwing snowballs into the airspace around the house. It switches on the lights in the relevant area for a few minutes, then switches them back off again. --- +---------+ Dalhousie University | _ | From the Halifax, Nova Scotia | (_)===| Disk of ... Canada | | Daniel mackay@dalcsug.UUCP +---------+ ...{utai,uunet}!dalcs!dalcsug!mackay
ZMLEB@SCFVM.BITNET (Lee Brotzman) (05/17/88)
Another Forth system for the Apple //e and //c is distributed by Unified Software Systems. There are two versions, both operate under ProDOS only. The Uniforth Apple Professional Software Development System is a complete, commercial system, including 500+ pages of documentation, software floating point with a separate floating point stack, full-screen block editor, strings using a separate string stack, decompiler, debugger, hi-res and low-res plotting, Forth words for all ProDOS calls, and more. All source code, except the kernel, is provided. The Professional uses all available memory by storing the kernel in the alternate memory at $D000, headers in the alternate 48K memory, and code and data in the main 48K memory. List price around $175. The Uniforth Apple Sampler is a freely-redistributable, and less powerful, version of the Professional. It uses only the main 48K memory bank, has somewhat less optimized floating point routines, and a full screen editor. The Sampler is available for downloading on the GEnie Forth Round Table and the East Coast Forth Board. Since I am the author of both software packages I shouldn't to go into the features any further here. E-mail me if you want more details, or you can contact: Unified Software Systems P.O. Box 21294 Columbus, OH 43221-0294 (614) 459-7736 Lee E. Brotzman (FIGIL Moderator) BITNET: ZMLEB@SCFVM.BITNET GEnie: L.BROTZMAN