ForthNet@willett.UUCP (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (06/29/90)
Date: 06-25-90 (14:05) Number: 668 (Echo) To: TED GOSSTYLA Refer#: 665 From: JOHN SOMERVILLE Read: NO Subj: URABUN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE That's very good of you. Yes I would like the disk. I will send you a replacement ( 1.2 megs ) if you leave your address. Mine is: 5174 Winskill Dr. Delta, B.C. Canada V4M 2C8 I spoke to Roedy last Friday and told him about URABUN; I will send him a copy. No doubt he will be interested. From the files I did get downloaded from LMI, I gather that one needs to read Roedy's documents, that is there is little or no documentation with your disk. As I recall the only useful things in Roedy's stuff was a little file on what order to attack things and a few sample files such as Canuck. Anyway look forward to getting the disk. P.S. I presume that you gave up the idea of writing URABUN in C, seeing as you are moving it up to 1.1 regards j NET/Mail : British Columbia Forth Board - Burnaby BC - (604)434-5886 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: uunet!willett!dwp or willett!dwp@hobbes.cert.sei.cmu.edu
ForthNet@willett.UUCP (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (06/30/90)
Date: 06-27-90 (16:55) Number: 677 (Echo) To: JOHN SOMERVILLE Refer#: 668 From: TED GOSSTYLA Read: NO Subj: URABUN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Sure, please give Roedy a copy if he wants one. I haven't corresponded with him since the early days of work with Abundance. Of course, to run the new URABUN he will need UR/Forth 1.1. Over the years URABUN has become less and less compatible with Abundance, but I would be interested in Roedy's opinion of my transformation of his child. No documentation? I believe at least half of the several MBytes of files in Abundance were documentation. In addition Roedy heavily comments his source code. URABUN has a 160K file which is an adaptation of Roedy's reference manual. My source has far fewer comments than Roedy's but I try to write "self documenting" code. It works for me, but others probably won't consider the code so self evident. I personally didn't find the sample applications provided with Abundance very helpful. I relied on the documentation, source code, and trial and error. It was an interesting way to learn Forth. Port Abundance to C? You misunderstood me. I never considered rewriting Abundance for C. My decision was whether to use C or Forth for application development. Having Abundance in Forth help me rationalize going with Forth. Rewriting for UR/Forth 1.1 is an interim step. In the future I plan to use OS/2 2.0 and for the moment intend to use LMI's UR/Forth for that OS when it becomes available. I thought moving to UR/Forth 1.1 first would minimize the disruption in my firms operation. Unfortunately I haven't completely resolved the language question. I just order Borland's Turbo C++ to review. NET/Mail : LMI Forth Board, Los Angeles, CA (213) 306-3530 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: uunet!willett!dwp or willett!dwp@hobbes.cert.sei.cmu.edu
ForthNet@willett.UUCP (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (07/04/90)
Date: 07-01-90 (19:43) Number: 685 (Echo) To: TED GOSSTYLA Refer#: 677 From: GORDON GANDERTON Read: NO Subj: URABUN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE I am still a novice to Forth and I am not a programmer by trade. I keep see-sawing back and forth between FPC and Abundance. Both have advantages. The favouritism seems to be towards FPC but I am drawn back to Abundance because of its blocks and the sophisticated Ned editor. Maybe as a novice I can see things clearer by sticking to blocks. I dont want to open up the war again between seq and block files because I see advantages in both. The biggest problem I had in Abundance was its ABORT function. Roede suggested I tailor make it to my ABORT but I havent had success with it yet. These are just comments from someone else who has looked at Abundance. Rgds. --- ~ EZ 1.27 ~ NET/Mail : British Columbia Forth Board - Burnaby BC - (604)434-5886 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: uunet!willett!dwp or willett!dwp@hobbes.cert.sei.cmu.edu
ForthNet@willett.UUCP (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (07/06/90)
Date: 07-04-90 (03:42) Number: 690 (Echo) To: TED GOSSTYLA Refer#: 653 From: GENE LEFAVE Read: NO Subj: URABUN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE TG>I started the port in early 1987, by the 2nd quarter of 1988 we TG>started our in house conversion to UR/Abundance. UR/Abundance TG>continues to evolve. I've played with BBL/ABUN but was never quite happy with it. I implemented some of it in my own database words. I always felt that Roedy's user interface was a bit to rigid for my needs. I'd like to see something mor along the lines of a spreadsheet where you can cursor or mouse all over the screen in any order. I seem to remember that he was working along those lines but I haven't seen his latest version. Were you able to port all of the jaunting, and control structures? Gene --- ~ EZ-Reader 1.13 ~ ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: uunet!willett!dwp or willett!dwp@hobbes.cert.sei.cmu.edu
ForthNet@willett.UUCP (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (07/06/90)
Date: 07-03-90 (17:12) Number: 696 (Echo) To: GORDON GANDERTON Refer#: 685 From: TED GOSSTYLA Read: NO Subj: URABUN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE I have not used FPC so I can't comment. I guess I am old fashion to the extent that I prefer Screens and Forth editors to using text files. However, since all my applications are for MS-DOS, and soon for OS/2, machines I do rely on the OS's file system. ABORT is defined in BBL not Abundance. I have found Abundance very useful for my purposes, but not BBL. UR/Forth seems to meet my requirements much better. NET/Mail : LMI Forth Board, Los Angeles, CA (213) 306-3530 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: uunet!willett!dwp or willett!dwp@hobbes.cert.sei.cmu.edu
ForthNet@willett.UUCP (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (07/12/90)
Date: 07-09-90 (16:52) Number: 699 (Echo) To: GENE LEFAVE Refer#: 690 From: TED GOSSTYLA Read: NO Subj: URABUN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Jaunting was ported and is fully operational. Most control structures were also ported, however those which I thought didn't add anything of substance were not ported. For example, <<<FOR, <<<RFOR, <<<RUN, and <<<RRUN were not ported. NET/Mail : LMI Forth Board, Los Angeles, CA (213) 306-3530 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: uunet!willett!dwp or willett!dwp@hobbes.cert.sei.cmu.edu
ForthNet@willett.UUCP (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (07/26/90)
Date: 07-23-90 (17:12) Number: 726 (Echo) To: JOHN SOMERVILLE Refer#: 722 From: TED GOSSTYLA Read: NO Subj: THANKS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Drop me a note before you start getting into UR/Abundance and I will give you a list of bugs found todate. We are now using it in production in house so will probably find a few over the new couple of weeks. The cost was minimal so don't worry about it - maybe you can return the favor someday. NET/Mail : LMI Forth Board, Los Angeles, CA (213) 306-3530 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: uunet!willett!dwp or willett!dwp@hobbes.cert.sei.cmu.edu
ForthNet@willett.UUCP (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (08/01/90)
Date: 07-29-90 (09:04) Number: 736 (Echo)
To: JOHN SOMERVILLE Refer#: 729
From: TED GOSSTYLA Read: NO
Subj: THANKS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
UR/Abundance is in public domain, however it requires UR/Forth 1.1 .
To use UR/Abundance you have to recompile your UR/Forth 1.1 nucleus
using the modified START word provided with UR/Abundance. Then you
can compile UR/Abundance using your slightly modified UR/Forth 1.1.
By all means up load to BC-Forth.
Current Bug list:
1. ABUN.SCR Screen # 70
Items in QuanStructure MenuCtrl should be defined in A instead of
D segment, see QuanStructures defined in Screens 68, 69, & 71.
2. ABASM.SCR Screen # 142
NUMLENGTH had problems when F>D results in out of range. Following
is a temporary fix.
: NUMLENGTH
AS0@ V-Low G@L>D DABS AS0@ V-High G@L>D DABS 2DUP D0<
IF 4DROP
ELSE DMAX DLOG
THEN DUP V-#Decimal - 1- 3 / +
AS0@ V-Low G@L>D D0<
IF 1+
THEN V-#Decimal
IF 1+
THEN DUP IS WIDTH IS V-KeyLength ;
3. ABASM.SCR Screen # 152
Remove 4th line of word Y/N, ( V-ITEM V-Length ERASEL )
<<<DEFINEd items must be initialized after their memory is
allocated.
They can no longer be initialized by the defining word.
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Date: 08-01-90 (08:13) Number: 740 (Echo) To: JOHN SOMERVILLE Refer#: 739 From: ZAFAR ESSAK Read: 08-01-90 (12:30) Subj: UR/ABUNDANCE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Just out of curiosity, how come UR/ABUNDANCE is 260k while BBL/ABUNDANCE is 7 meg? Are these things related or what? Or is the extra special tools etc. --- * Via Qwikmail 2.01 NET/Mail : British Columbia Forth Board - Burnaby BC - (604)434-5886 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: uunet!willett!dwp or willett!dwp@hobbes.cert.sei.cmu.edu
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Date: 08-01-90 (12:30) Number: 741 (Echo) To: ZAFAR ESSAK Refer#: 493 From: JOHN SOMERVILLE Read: NO Subj: UR/ABUNDANCE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Actually the arc version was about 350 K as I recall. Would zipping an arc do that much? I can't really answer your question right now for I haven't looked at UR/ABUNDANCE all that closely. The 7 Megs as produced by Roedy contains a lot of supplementary utilities e.g. QDos 2 is bundled ( sans docs ) plus a lot of DOS stuff that Roedy wrote, ( I believe he rewrote RECOVER, plus some other goodies ). Roedy also include a fair amount of text files. As I recall I had to clear about 11 megs of my drive to get Abundance up and running. . I guess the short answer is to leave a question for Ted Gosstyla on this conference. Note you do need UR FORTH. regards j NET/Mail : British Columbia Forth Board - Burnaby BC - (604)434-5886 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: uunet!willett!dwp or willett!dwp@hobbes.cert.sei.cmu.edu
ForthNet@willett.pgh.pa.us (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (08/13/90)
Date: 08-04-90 (14:55) Number: 744 (Echo)
To: JOHN SOMERVILLE Refer#: 741
From: ZAFAR ESSAK Read: NO
Subj: UR/ABUNDANCE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Thanks John.
With the total size of BBL-Forth/Abundance/++ I've never been quite
clear on sizes of each component or the interdependence of them.
Seeing these messages referencing one component only, in use with
another Forth helps to shed some light on this. As for "You will need
UR Forth" I assume you mean to compile and run as is. Hopefully, that
is not a requirement for reading and understanding the source.
Zafar.
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Date: 08-09-90 (21:40) Number: 745 (Echo) To: ZAFAR ESSAK Refer#: 744 From: JOHN SOMERVILLE Read: NO Subj: UR/ABUNDANCE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE I am sure that you will be able to read the source with little trouble. If you have NG then I have a file ( the Board has it also ) that you could use to understand the LMI specific words. Yes, I was speaking of compiling it only. regards j NET/Mail : British Columbia Forth Board - Burnaby BC - (604)434-5886 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: uunet!willett!dwp or dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us