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Date: 01-09-90 (11:05) Number: 232
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: MICHAEL HAM Read: (N/A)
Subj: BOOK RECOMMENDATIONS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Three books I recently bought and highly recommend:
Designing User Interfaces for Software, by Joseph S. Dumas
Prentice-Hall ISBN 0-13-201971-X
Applying Cognitive Psychology to User-Interface Design,
edited by Margaret M Gardiner and Bruce Christie
John Wiley & Sons ISBN 0-471-91184-4
Handbook of Screen Format Design (third edition)
by Wilbert O. Galitz
QED Information Sciences, Inc. ISBN 0-89435-258-X
All of them are good. I guess I would recommend them in the
order listed. The first is paperback, the others hardbound.
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Date: 01-15-90 (13:40) Number: 2783
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: MICHAEL HAM Read: (N/A)
Subj: NEW FORTH BOOK Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
A new book, Programming for the Utter Beginner Who Has an MS-DOS
Computer, will be published in early February. I wrote it,
Laboratory Microsystems will publish it. The initial version
will, for a time, be supplied with version 1.1 of LMI's UR/FORTH,
which also has an early February publication date.
The book's goal is to teach programming (not Forth) to the utter
beginner. Forth is indeed the language used, but it is viewed as
the means, not the goal. This gives the book a somewhat
different slant than other introductory Forth books.
The reader learns by working through examples and revising tools
provided with the book. Several screen files are provided:
File Size (bytes)
ADDRESS.SCR 53248
ANSWERS.SCR 158720
ARRAYS.SCR 18432
FOR.SCR 9216
MENUS.SCR 23552
NUMBERS.SCR 52224
PROBLEM.SCR 14336
SORT.SCR 11264
SORTCODE.SCR 4096
STRINGS.SCR 15360
==== ========
Total 10 360448
The next message contains the table of contents of the book.
Let me know if you have questions or want additional information.
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Date: 01-15-90 (13:42) Number: 2784
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: MICHAEL HAM Read: (N/A)
Subj: TOC OF NEW FORTH BOOK Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Here is the book's table of contents:
Table of Contents
Introduction
1. How to Read This Book
Part I: First steps
2. Your First Program
3. Polishing the Program
4. Saving Your Program
Part II: Controlling the screen and basic structures
5. A Title Screen and Other Display Magic
6. Loops Within Loops: An Example
Part III: Building a menu (and learning a lot)
7. Moving Toward a Menu
8. Characters from the Keyboard
9. Making a Choice
10. Return to Loops
11. Closer to the Menu
12. Making the Menu At Last
Part IV: Your own database of mailing addresses
13. The Printer and the Disk
14. Collecting Strings
15. Building the Record: the Plan
16. Building the Record: the Program
17. Making a Real Live Program
Part V: Some useful tools
18. Out of Sorts? Here's One You'll Like
19. Double the Precision, Double the Fun
20. Converting Numbers into Strings
21. Double-Precision at Work
22. Collecting Numbers from the Keyboard
Part VI: Harnessing the powers of DOS
23. DOS Filenames: Correction versus Prevention
24. DOS and Forth
25. From BLOCK to File
Part VII: The special powers of Forth
26. Inside Forth
27. Defining Words
Part VIII: Floating point, graphics, and final remarks
28. Just When You Thought You Were Safe from Numbers
29. Return to the Screen
30. Remarks on Design
Bibliography
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Date: 01-16-90 (07:11) Number: 279 To: MICHAEL HAM Refer#: NONE From: BOB JENNER Read: 01-16-90 (10:28) Subj: BOOK Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Hi, Guys - This discussion is near and dear to my heart. Here's two cents' worth. - It's two cents because I'm of two minds: "give 'em an easy start" vs "separate the wheat from the chaff early, it can be rough out there". But on both sides, intentional is probably better than accidental. - In my experience, new users are indeed very fragile. I suppose it's a very human sort of thing to be cautious in unknown and potentially dangerous territory, and for many this territory is fraught with dangers which are no less problematical for being unfounded. They don't yet know that it's hard to blow up the machine. - I've recently spent considerable time with very new computer users, and they are indeed put off by things that are quite transparent to me in my normal working persona. To offer a good introduction I need to be very careful to see with their eyes and mine at the same time. - But that's _users_, not programmers. If this is a book for programmers, Forth programmers in particular, then the question is more interesting. Programming in general, and programming Forth applications in particular, tends to take one out beyond the streetlights. And at risk of overstating the case, if they can't handle the difference between horizontal and vertical .S, will they be happy / good in the real world? Working with prototype hardware? With the average documentation? - Well, it's easy to wax philosophical and ramble on along the lines of scouts vs settlers vs those who never left home; it's harder to come up with a solid basis for doing the book one way or another, to get it out the door in satisfying and saleable shape. - I think the immediate answer is to keep it scrupulously consistent. It's good pedagogy and good business. The best- selling textbook author trades at least in part on his ability to maintain the confidence and relative peace of mind of his student. We're not talking fire-breathing flight instructors here. - But the other question, of how to teach or foster the ability to deal with life's little surprises, and _real_ bugs, well maybe it's a real market opportunity! Some of this, perhaps most of it, is not teachable. Some people are somehow bolder than others, and some are simply better equipped to handle it. - Intentionally putting errors in a text seems very risky, especially a beginner's text and without warning. - But I think some sort of warning is very much in order, a warning about the real world. Maybe just a list of the "normal" problems that have cost us so much. Like reversed lines in the new hardware, flaky chips, bad documentation, skinny estimates and deadlines, not even suspecting DOS could be the culprit; not to mention software things like not initializing variables and not testing for / preventing unintended stack growth. Not just the big hairy bugs, but also the little stupid time wasters. And I think they mostly don't need solutions, just a hint about the existence of the threat. - I think a newcomer would be pleased to pay cash for a book that included such a list, especially if told how valuable it is, maybe via a war story or two. Me, too! - How I do ramble on sometimes. Cheers - NET/Mail : LMI Forth Board, Los Angeles, CA (213) 306-3530 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: 'uunet!willett!dwp' or 'willett!dwp@gateway.sei.cmu.edu'
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Date: 01-16-90 (10:28) Number: 281 To: BOB JENNER Refer#: NONE From: MICHAEL HAM Read: 01-16-90 (15:01) Subj: NEW PROGRAMMERS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE I understand the need for programmers who are strong-minded and able to function in a world of imperfect documentation and subtle bugs. The question is then how to reach that goal. It is not unlike child-rearing, and in that parallel it is clear that a nuturing, supportive, and caring start produces people who become true adults, able to deal effectively with a complex and not always caring world. Despite the common wisdom that slum children learn street smarts and become tough people, few (even those who take that position) send their children into slum conditions for their early education. My own book tries to help the new programmer (note the "new"-- the book is, as the title says, for the "utter beginner") learn in a safe and comfortable environment, building toward the time when she or he can work independently. Indeed, the first thing I have the user do is crash the system to a permanent halt by executing the phrase 4 EXECUTE. By seeing things go bad and learning how to get out of it, they take the first step to being able to deal with that on their own. And I do have bugs in various examples--but I tell them the bugs are there, and ask them to find and fix the bugs. And I provide some tools and then have them revise the tools in specific directions. My hope is that by the end of the book, the reader can be the kind of tough-minded, independent programmer that we want. In my own experience, the teachers who came on tough, separating the wheat from the chaff in the introductory classes, were either sadists working out their own problems, or were simply not very good teachers looking for a rationale to escape the hard work that good teaching demands. NET/Mail : LMI Forth Board, Los Angeles, CA (213) 306-3530 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: 'uunet!willett!dwp' or 'willett!dwp@gateway.sei.cmu.edu'
ForthNet@willett.UUCP (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (01/18/90)
Date: 01-16-90 (12:47) Number: 2785 (Echo) To: MICHAEL HAM Refer#: 2783 From: STEVE PALINCSAR Read: NO Subj: NEW FORTH BOOK Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Mike, is this something that could be of interest to a total novice who neither had access to, nor interest in, forth? Could I, for example, use your structure profitably in doing a workshop for total novices in programming Crosstalk scripts? ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: 'uunet!willett!dwp' or 'willett!dwp@gateway.sei.cmu.edu'
ForthNet@willett.UUCP (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (01/18/90)
Date: 01-16-90 (22:30) Number: 2786 (Echo) To: MICHAEL HAM Refer#: 2783 From: JERRY SHIFRIN Read: NO Subj: NEW FORTH BOOK Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE MH>A new book, Programming for the Utter Beginner Who Has an MS-DOS MH>Computer, will be published in early February. I wrote it, MH>Laboratory Microsystems will publish it. The initial version MH>will, for a time, be supplied with version 1.1 of LMI's UR/FORTH, Can you explain this, Mike? Isn't UR/Forth around $300? How much will your book cost? Or is this a subset of UR/F? Or do you mean that it'll be included with all new purchases of UR/F? --- * QDeLuxe 1.10 #214s ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: 'uunet!willett!dwp' or 'willett!dwp@gateway.sei.cmu.edu'
ForthNet@willett.UUCP (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (01/20/90)
Date: 01-17-90 (08:36) Number: 2794 To: JERRY SHIFRIN Refer#: NONE From: RAY DUNCAN Read: NO Subj: NEW FORTH BOOK Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE The UR/FORTH system is $350, but the book will come in two versions. The first will be a tutorial to accompany UR/FORTH. The second will be a combined book/software package, with a subset of UR/FORTH, that will sell for around $75. Our objective is to provide a high performance beginner Forth system similar to the kind of system provided in the Microsoft Press "Learn C Now" and "Learn Basic Now" packages. NET/Mail : LMI Forth Board, Los Angeles, CA (213) 306-3530 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: 'uunet!willett!dwp' or 'willett!dwp@gateway.sei.cmu.edu'
ForthNet@willett.UUCP (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (01/20/90)
Date: 01-17-90 (17:34) Number: 2795 To: STEVE PALINCSAR Refer#: NONE From: MICHAEL HAM Read: NO Subj: NEW FORTH BOOK Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE I aimed the book directly at total novices who have no experience in any programming context. The book will be packaged with a Forth, however, so the reader will have access to a Forth. I believe that programming can be learned (really) only by doing. So the reader is led through various development efforts, from the very small to the relatively ambitious, with guided tours of bugs and revisions along the way. I don't think, however, that it would be useful in doing Crosstalk scripts. They would have to learn the commands available there, and the book takes them carefully through structured experiences that would have little direct application to Crosstalk. NET/Mail : LMI Forth Board, Los Angeles, CA (213) 306-3530 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: 'uunet!willett!dwp' or 'willett!dwp@gateway.sei.cmu.edu'
ForthNet@willett.UUCP (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (01/21/90)
Date: 01-19-90 (07:31) Number: 2797 To: GORDON GANDERTON Refer#: 2789 From: MICHAEL HAM Read: NO Subj: NEW FORTH BOOK Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Version 1.1 of UR/FORTH will be $350. The book, however, will be available separately with a subset of UR/FORTH, for about $75 (according to a note earlier posted by Ray). The subset is ample for programming many applications and does include TURNKEY so that you can save the programs as executable files. NET/Mail : LMI Forth Board, Los Angeles, CA (213) 306-3530 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: 'uunet!willett!dwp' or 'willett!dwp@gateway.sei.cmu.edu'
dwp@willett.UUCP (Doug Philips) (01/23/90)
Date: 01-20-90 (15:27) Number: 2807 (Echo)
To: MICHAEL HAM Refer#: NONE
From: DAVID FOX Read: NO
Subj: TOC OF NEW FORTH BOOK Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
It looks to me that the table of contents describe a book that IMHO
looks like it has a unique approach to programming (and Forth). Many
programming books (even the extant Forth books) attempt to teach
programming through examples that aren't really real-world applications.
Very few of the programs I wrote for college programming courses were
useful applications that I would use after I wrote them. The majority
were read-a-file and produce a report, with the report getting more
difficult to produce as the course progressed.
You seem to do it differently. Even though I have just seen the table
of contents of your book in the last message, the programs shown in the
book (such as the name-address book program used for showing file
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Date: 01-22-90 (10:17) Number: 2812 To: DAVID FOX Refer#: 2807 From: MICHAEL HAM Read: NO Subj: TOC OF NEW FORTH BOOK Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE The address-book example is relatively complete, though it is limited to 200 addresses (more than enough for most personal address books)--has a title screen and a menu from which the user can pick Add addresses; Review/revise addresses; Print address book; Exit to DOS. As the book works through the development, I reveal the inner workings of design and development by describing the sorts of mistakes that I made in thinking about the program and warning the reader when some smooth and simple approach was actually the result of much thinking and some trial and error. I hope the reader will feel able to tackle reasonably large projects without panic after working through this example. NET/Mail : LMI Forth Board, Los Angeles, CA (213) 306-3530 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: 'uunet!willett!dwp' or 'willett!dwp@gateway.sei.cmu.edu'
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Date: 01-22-90 (11:59) Number: 104 (Echo) To: MARTIN ROWLAND Refer#: NONE From: JACK WOEHR Read: NO Subj: SEEING FORTH Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE >Jack, >I read the article in Forth Dim. . I am looking forward to "Seeing >Forth". What exactly will this be ? A history of forth? An advanced >forth Tutorial? My model is Richard Re'ti's _Modern Ideas In Chess_. It's kinda both of those. >When do you publish? As soon as it's whipped into a shape that won't prove a total embarrasment to auther & publisher. I have the book all written, probably six more months editing? >thanks >Martin >ps How do you find time to keep up with all >thistuff and write a book? I sit in front of computers 16 hours a day. Not for long, bub! Enough of this! :-) =jax= ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: 'uunet!willett!dwp' or 'willett!dwp@gateway.sei.cmu.edu'
ForthNet@willett.UUCP (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (02/07/90)
Date: 02-02-90 (12:26) Number: 2853 (Echo) To: JERRY SHIFRIN Refer#: NONE From: JACK WOEHR Read: NO Subj: EMBEDEDDED SYSTEMS PROG Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE >Tyler, if you're listening, perhaps you can let us know how it's >progressing. FWIW, until the freebie form showed up, I had >decided to let my subscription lapse -- marginal interest for me, >and I'm already overwhelmed with computer mags, free and not. Talked to Tyler today. He says ESP is doing fine, that Miller Freeman considers it their most successful startup to date. Tyler explains that it ends up being more economical to give the magazine away to a target population than to mail out all the usual BS soliciting subscriptions. =jax= NET/Mail : RCFB Golden, CO (303) 278-0364 VESTA & Denver FIG for Forth! ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: 'uunet!willett!dwp' or 'willett!dwp@gateway.sei.cmu.edu'
ForthNet@willett.UUCP (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (02/24/90)
Date: 02-23-90 (00:51) Number: 2944 (Echo) To: JACK WOEHR Refer#: 2853 From: JERRY SHIFRIN Read: NO Subj: EMBEDEDDED SYSTEMS PROG Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE JW> Tyler explains that it ends up being more economical to give JW>the magazine away to a target population than to mail out all the JW>usual BS soliciting subscriptions. Interesting. How does that affect you as an occasional contributor? Same amount of dough? --- * QDeLuxe 1.10 #214s ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: 'uunet!willett!dwp' or 'willett!dwp@gateway.sei.cmu.edu'
ForthNet@willett.UUCP (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (02/25/90)
Date: 02-23-90 (08:30) Number: 2953 (Echo) To: JERRY SHIFRIN Refer#: NONE From: JACK WOEHR Read: NO Subj: EMBEDEDDED SYSTEMS PROG Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE >JW> Tyler explains that it ends up being more economical to give >JW>the magazine away to a target population than to mail out all the >JW>usual BS soliciting subscriptions. > >Interesting. How does that affect you as an occasional >contributor? Same amount of dough? The dough is just fine so far! You might wish to write an article or two :-) =jax= NET/Mail : RCFB Golden, CO (303) 278-0364 VESTA & Denver FIG for Forth! ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: 'uunet!willett!dwp' or 'willett!dwp@gateway.sei.cmu.edu'
ForthNet@willett.UUCP (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (03/11/90)
Date: 03-09-90 (22:40) Number: 304 (Echo)
To: JACK BROWN Refer#: 300
From: JERRY SHIFRIN Read: NO
Subj: Dewdney's Newsletter Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
JB>Algorithm is a programmers newsletter Edited by A. K. Dewdney.
Funny, I came across a reference to this (from another network)
I'd been meaning to post here. It sounds wonderful!
==============================================================================
Date: 03-02-90 (04:47) Number: 3396 The Running Boar
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: NIGEL ALLEN Read: YES
Subj: Programming Newsletter Conf: (1) SYSOP
------------------------------------------------------------------------
A.K. Dewdney, Computer Recreations columnist with Scientific
American magazine, has launched a personal programming newsletter,
Algorithm. The new publication is aimed at amateur and professional
programmers alike. It extends the Computer Recreations tradition of
recreational and educational programming projects: the Mandelbrot set,
cellular automata, chaos and dynamics, weird machines, stellar
simulation, puzzles and many other topics.
The new publication carries seven features and will expand to
include more columns. Currently, it includes Algoletter, advice from
professionals; Easy Pieces, fascinating projects for beginning
programmers by Michael Ecker of Creative Computing fame; Personal
Programs, exercises for more advanced programmers by Cliff Pickover,
IBM's computer graphics wizard; Algopuzzles, computer mind-benders by
Dennis Shasha, author of The Puzzling Adventures of Dr. Ecco; Algofact
and Algofiction, invited articles and stories from well-known
scientists and authors. A Bulletin Board advertises hosts of
recreational products by individuals and small companies.
Algorithm puts the "personal" back in "personal computing" by
encouraging you to develop your programming skills while pursuing high
adventure on the frontiers of science and computing. Order a free
examination copy by writing Algorithm at P.O. Box 29237, Westmount
Postal Outlet, 785 Wonderland Road, London, Ontario, Canada N6K 1M6.
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Date: 05-02-90 (20:13) Number: 3192 (Echo) To: MICHAEL HAM Refer#: 3172 From: JACK BROWN Read: NO Subj: FORTH BOOK Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE >Jack, I explained in the earlier message that my suggestion was simply >to increase the efficiency of transmission for the user, not an attempt >to make you quit. My attempt to upload a file didn't work, so perhaps Boy.... at least we've got some message traffic going in this conference that seemed to be dying. Would you be willing to send me a copy of your book for review? I am currently teaching a Forth course at BCIT so you could consider it a legit request for a review copy! NET/Mail : British Columbia Forth Board - Burnaby BC - (604)434-5886 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: 'uunet!willett!dwp' or 'willett!dwp@gateway.sei.cmu.edu'
ForthNet@willett.UUCP (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (05/06/90)
Date: 05-03-90 (06:43) Number: 3203 (Echo) To: JACK BROWN Refer#: 3192 From: MICHAEL HAM Read: NO Subj: FORTH BOOK Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE I see no problem. Ray Duncan (LMI) will be publishing the book and does plan to have an UR/FORTH version completed very soon. I will ask him to respond to your request. (I imagine he'll see this note anyway, since I am posting it on the LMI board.) I'm not sure when the standalone version of the book is scheduled, but there are very few differences between it and the UR/FORTH version. NET/Mail : LMI Forth Board, Los Angeles, CA (213) 306-3530 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: 'uunet!willett!dwp' or 'willett!dwp@gateway.sei.cmu.edu'
ForthNet@willett.UUCP (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (05/26/90)
Date: 05-23-90 (06:45) Number: 598 (Echo) To: RAY DUNCAN Refer#: NONE From: MICHAEL HAM Read: 05-23-90 (20:35) Subj: EMBEDDED SYSTEMS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Could you post the address at which to contact Embedded Systems for subscription information? Thanks. NET/Mail : LMI Forth Board, Los Angeles, CA (213) 306-3530 Date: 05-23-90 (20:35) Number: 599 (Echo) To: MICHAEL HAM Refer#: 1257 From: RAY DUNCAN Read: 05-23-90 (20:50) Subj: EMBEDDED SYSTEMS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE It's a Miller Freeman Publication, so use the same address as you find in Computer Language (500 Howard St. San Francisco) NET/Mail : LMI Forth Board, Los Angeles, CA (213) 306-3530 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: uunet!willett!dwp or willett!dwp@hobbes.cert.sei.cmu.edu
ForthNet@willett.UUCP (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (05/27/90)
Date: 05-24-90 (18:12) Number: 602 (Echo) To: JOE HANSEN Refer#: NONE From: RAY DUNCAN Read: NO Subj: ADVANCED MSDOS BOOK Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE The 2nd edition of my book does cover DOS 4.0x, but it doesn't cover it at the level you are talking about. Are you looking at all Int 16H calls or only the old XT Int 16H calls? It might be that DOS 4 is smart enough to call Int 16H Functions 10H and 11H if it finds itself on a AT, rather than the older functions. NET/Mail : LMI Forth Board, Los Angeles, CA (213) 306-3530 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: uunet!willett!dwp or willett!dwp@hobbes.cert.sei.cmu.edu
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Date: 06-09-90 (14:15) Number: 3338 (Echo) To: ALL Refer#: NONE From: MICHAEL HAM Read: (N/A) Subj: SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE For those who work in programming departments in organizations, I heartily recommend the book Managing the Software Process, by Watts S. Humphrey of the Software Engineering Institute of Carnegie Mellon; the book is published b y Addison-Wesley. As the title suggests, the book's focus is on the >process< by which software is developed (in formal organizations). Humphrey offers a model of increasingly effective processes, from the almost chaotic "Initial State" through 4 increasingly more effective stages of development; for each process, the highest priority action steps are identified to improve the process to the next level. Very interesting and, so far as my experience shows, very much on target. ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: uunet!willett!dwp or willett!dwp@hobbes.cert.sei.cmu.edu
ForthNet@willett.UUCP (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (07/01/90)
Category 4, Topic 7 Message 188 Sat Jun 30, 1990 GARY-S at 06:44 EDT Glen Haydon has just released his revised reference 'All About Forth'. Details and books can be obtained directly from Glen at the following: Dr. Glen Haydon Box 429, Route 2 La Honda, CA 94020 I do know it is over 600 pages, includes annotated source for 79 and 83 Standards, and 4 kernels. The book is now based on the 8088/xx086 family of processors. ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: uunet!willett!dwp or willett!dwp@hobbes.cert.sei.cmu.edu
ForthNet@willett.UUCP (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (08/03/90)
Date: 07-29-90 (19:43) Number: 3594 (Echo)
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: CINDY BARTORILLO Read: (N/A)
Subj: FORTH DIMENSIONS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Does anyone have an address for me to write to about getting
Forth Dimensions? That IS the name of the magazine, isn't
it? While I'm on the subject, are there other magazines
about Forth? I'm a magazine freak, so I'd appreciate hearing
about anything good.
^*^ Cindy
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Message 191 Thu Aug 02, 1990
GARY-S at 07:14 EDT
To:CINDY BARTORILLO
Subj: FORTH DIMENSIONS
>Does anyone have an address for me to write to about getting
>Forth Dimensions?
Forth Dimensions comes with FIG membership and the address
for FIG is as follows:
Forth Interest Group
P. O. Box 8231
San Jose, CA 95155
While I'm on the subject, are there other magazines about Forth?
Embedded Systems Programming contains a LOT of Forth on a very
regular basis. It is now a controlled circulation magazine.
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Date: 08-01-90 (20:22) Number: 3615 (Echo) To: CINDY BARTORILLO Refer#: NONE From: IAN WATTERS Read: NO Subj: FORTH DIMENSIONS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE CBpWhile I'm on the subject, are there other magazines about Forth? FIG UK publishes ForthWrite. It's bimonthly and is up to issue 54, with 55 due soon. Never as "professional" as Forth Dimensions, it's still useful and friendly. As to getting copies, it comes as part of the membership fee. I'm not sure what the "overseas" fee is, but then I'm not sure about the UK fee, either! About 12 to 15 a year, I think. The monthly London meeting is later today, I'll find out for you. Ian PCRelay:IBBSNET -> #143 RelayNet (tm) NET/Mail : DC Information Exchange, MetroLink Int'l Hub. (202)433-6639 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: uunet!willett!dwp or dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us
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Message 195 Thu Aug 09, 1990
GARY-S at 06:29 EDT
To: CINDY BARTORILLO
Subj: FORTH IN PRINT
>Thanks, Ian. I'd like to know how much ForthWrite is. And
>where to write to.
Try posting a note to one of the following:
Doug Neale Gil Filbey
58 Woodland Way 21 Ferncroft Avenue
Morden London NW3 7PG
Surrey - ENGLAND -
- ENGLAND -
>Thanks for the address on FIG, Gary. I'll shoot that off
>first thing Monday morning.
Glad to help.
>> Embedded Systems Programming contains a LOT of Forth on a very
>> regular basis. It is now a controlled circulation magazine.
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>I know what you mean, but that's an ominous way to put it.
>Sounds very hush-hush. Mustn't let secrets get into the
>wrong hands, what?
<sigh> I *know* you have to know exactly what that means, but
you are also correct in pointing out I made some rather global
assumptions about ALL readers of these posts.
'Controlled circulation' publications provide free or drastically
reduced subscriptions to a targeted group of readers in return for
advertising rates that will support the circulation. Advertisers
are willing to pay the required fees, knowing the ads will be read
only (or primarily) by a group of readers that is more likely to:
- 1 - read the ads
- 2 - respond with purchases that justify the ad rates
and they are not competing for space and attention with nose hair
tweezers and kung fuey glow charms.
To see if you qualify for a subscription write to :
Embedded Systems Programming
P O Box 52716
Boulder, CO 80322-2716
I almost forgot another publication that includes a lot of Forth
material, wants more (MUCH MORE) and is one of the last grass roots
computer Magazines extant.
The Computer Journal
190 Sullivan Crossroad
Columbia Falls, MT 59912 ($18/yr, $32/2 years U.S.
$24/yr US$ surface mail
other countries)
Gary
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Date: 08-16-90 (19:10) Number: 3665 (Echo)
To: GARY SMITH Refer#: NONE
From: CINDY BARTORILLO Read: NO
Subj: FORTH IN PRINT Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Thanks again, Gary. I hadn't heard about The Computer Journal,
but I like the sound of "grass roots computer magazine". I still
remember the days of Creative Computing and early Doctor Dobbs.
I'm not sure whether it was more exciting then simply because I
was being introduced to new challenges, or whether the computer
journalism really was more vibrant--but it would be nice to find
a magazine that could recapture that sense of wonder and
discovery.
^*^ Cindy
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Message 197 Sun Aug 19, 1990
GARY-S at 06:36 EDT
To: CINDY BARTORILLO
Subj: FORTH IN PRINT
>Thanks again, Gary. I hadn't heard about The Computer Journal,
>but I like the sound of "grass roots computer magazine". I still
>remember the days of Creative Computing and early Doctor Dobbs.
You're more than welcome.
Nostalgia, wow! I started with DDJ when it was still published
by People's Computer Company, and watched for the next hack to
put on CP/M in MicroCornucopia...
So I'm a little grey :-)
Maybe TCJ can rekindle some of those feelings. Don't forget, they
are looking for writers.
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> Thanks again, Gary. I hadn't heard about The Computer Journal,
I missed this somehow. Where do I get a hold of TCJ?
Thanks,
Robert S.
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Date: 09-16-90 (22:49) Number: 1687 (Echo)
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: NIEL ERICSON Read: (N/A)
Subj: THINKING FORTH Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Hello to all Forth programmers everywhere!... I've been playing around
in forth for awhile now.. and I have been reading "Thinking Forth" by
Leo Brodie.... and a friend on mine in Calgary told me that a lot of
Forth programmers didn't like Thinking Forth ... he says that they say
that it's all screwed up.. (like, for readability, etc.) ... SO, I was
wondering if this is true...? do you seasoned Forth programmers like or
dis-like this book??.. has anyone read it?.. thanx for the info.. ttul
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Message 201 Tue Sep 18, 1990
D.RUFFER [Dennis] at 23:14 EDT
Re: NIEL ERICSON
> Forth programmers didn't like Thinking Forth ...
I've certainly never heard that one before. I've heard nothing but praise
about the book. Unfortunately, it is now out of print, so consider yourself
very lucky to have what is not a collectors item.
Who is this friend of yours so that we can send some "buddies" to explain it
to him?
<grin> DaR
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Date: 09-18-90 (07:48) Number: 1688 (Echo) To: NIEL ERICSON Refer#: 1687 From: JERRY SHIFRIN Read: NO Subj: THINKING FORTH Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE NE>Leo Brodie.... and a friend on mine in Calgary told me that a lot of NE>Forth programmers didn't like Thinking Forth ... he says that they say Thinking Forth is a superb book on software engineering. I recommend it highly. --- ~ EZ 1.32 ~ ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: uunet!willett!dwp or dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us
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Date: 09-18-90 (13:07) Number: 1689 (Echo) To: NIEL ERICSON Refer#: 1687 From: PETE KOZIAR Read: NO Subj: THINKING FORTH Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Well, I'm a FORTH programmer and I like it quite a bit. I wish more programs in ALL languages were written like Brodie recommends! --- * Via Qwikmail 2.01 The Baltimore Sun ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: uunet!willett!dwp or dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us
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Date: 09-18-90 (15:15) Number: 3797 (Echo) To: JACK WOEHR Refer#: 3777 From: BARTON MEEKS Read: NO Subj: FORTH FOR 8031/8051U 1 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE JW> There is a bool advertised in Forth Dimensions about this. Thanks Jack. But unfortunatly I don't have access to this. Could you (or another reader) get me a title, publisher, etc. and a brief description? Is this book about a commercial product, how to write you own, or what? ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: uunet!willett!dwp or dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us
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Category 4, Topic 7 Message 204 Wed Sep 19, 1990 F.SERGEANT [Frank] at 23:08 CDT NE> a friend on mine in Calgary told me that a lot of Forth NE> programmers didn't like Thinking Forth ... This is the first I've heard of it. I liked the book A LOT! Maybe I'm not well-seasoned. But, no point in defending it on emotion against unspecified charges. I'm open to hearing "corrections" of any errors in the book. -- Frank ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us or uunet!willett!dwp
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Date: 09-20-90 (13:03) Number: 1692 (Echo) To: NIEL ERICSON Refer#: 1687 From: NICK JANOW Read: 09-21-90 (00:43) Subj: THINKING FORTH Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE I like "Thinking FORTH". I look through it frequently; it helps me think about how I'm writing FORTH. It certainly helped me develop good writing habits (or at least prevented me from developing bad ones). I have no problems with recommending it to someone. NET/Mail : British Columbia Forth Board - Burnaby BC - (604)434-5886 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us or uunet!willett!dwp
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Date: 09-21-90 (00:42) Number: 1693 (Echo) To: JERRY SHIFRIN Refer#: 1688 From: NIEL ERICSON Read: NO Subj: THINKING FORTH Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE by the way... is there any Forth magazines or related objects around?.. (like, good mags that all forth programmers should read or something??) ... cuz it seems that ever since I started using Forth in my programs (instead of all assembly)... I've enjoyed working in Forth more and more... man, when my JForth FINALLY arrives.. I'm going to have a blast!.. heh (I've been using PD Forth's in the meantime.. argh.) ttul NET/Mail : British Columbia Forth Board - Burnaby BC - (604)434-5886 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us or uunet!willett!dwp
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Date: 09-21-90 (00:43) Number: 1694 (Echo) To: NICK JANOW Refer#: 1814 From: NIEL ERICSON Read: NO Subj: THINKING FORTH Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE wow!.. with all these positive remarks about Leo's books... I think I'll re-read them both! hehh (unless he has some more I don't of out...) NET/Mail : British Columbia Forth Board - Burnaby BC - (604)434-5886 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us or uunet!willett!dwp
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Date: 09-21-90 (18:27) Number: 3817 (Echo) To: GARY SMITH Refer#: 3811 From: RAY DUNCAN Read: NO Subj: FORTH IN PRINT Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE I didn't like THINKING FORTH very much. I thought it reinforced the image of Forth as a cult language. NET/Mail : LMI Forth Board, Los Angeles, CA (213) 306-3530 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us or uunet!willett!dwp
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Date: 09-23-90 (00:55) Number: 3854 (Echo) To: GARY SMITH Refer#: 3811 From: DEAN MARTINDALE Read: NO Subj: FORTH IN PRINT Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE GS> Just doo't believe everything it says. Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't we be reading ALL books that way? Surely noone here believes everything they read blindly, do they? --- * MjrUTI : # 510/2.0 PCRelay:FORTHNET -> RelayNet (tm) 4.10a14 4th Net Data Channels (801) 943-8837 SLC UT NET/Mail : DC Information Exchange, MetroLink Int'l Hub. (202)433-6639 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us or uunet!willett!dwp
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To: NIEL ERICSON Refer#: 1693 From: DAVID BREEDING Read: NO Subj: FORTH MAGS.... Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE There is only one Forth magazine I know of, Forth Dimensions. I know, I know, there are several other Forth related journals, but they're not magazines... Anyway, Forth Dimensions is published by FIG (Forth Interest Group) and is pretty good about putting good Forth articles on all levels together. If you'd like to learn more try to FIG board here... [ You can also reach them as follows: [Info from the latest Forth Dimensions] (408)277-0668 Voice Forth Interest Group (408)286-8988 FAX P.O. Box 8231 San Jose, CA 95155 -dwp] ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us or uunet!willett!dwp
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To: RAY DUNCAN Refer#: 803 From: GENE LEFAVE Read: NO Subj: COLUMN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Ray, I always look forward to your column in PC, but I was a little disappointed that you didn't mention Dick Pountains's Object Oriented Forth book in this month's column. I had read a lot about OOL's but it wasn't until I actually implemented his words that I really understood what was going on. The hardest thing about this concept, especially for old timers like myself, is getting past all the jargon. Seeing the concepts in Forth strips away the jargon and the bizarre C++ syntax, leaving the essential elements of vocabularies, arrays, and memory management. Although I realize that the number of Forth programmers in the "PCM" audience is to small for you to dedicate your columns to Forth, I would think that a book reference could be accommodated. Looking forward to next month. Gene --- ~ EZ-Reader 1.13 ~ ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us or uunet!willett!dwp
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Message 220 Sun Nov 11, 1990
D.RUFFER [Dennis] at 20:32 EST
Re: MICHAEL HARRIS
> Could anybody please send me info on how to get FORTH Dimensions.
Sure Michael, for credit card orders, call (408) 277-0668, or send your
subscription information and a check to:
Forth Interest Group
P.O. Box 8231
San Jose, CA 95155
Membership in FIG (which includes the current Volume year of Forth Dimensions)
is $36 for surface mail or $42 for air mail outside North America. The
membership year is May 1 to April 30, and you will be sent the issues for the
preceeding months when you join.
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Date: 11-24-90 (16:27) Number: 283 of 293 (Echo) To: BRAD KOSOWAN Refer#: 162 From: MICHAEL HAM Read: NO Subj: FIRST GLANCE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: FORTH (58) Read Type: GENERAL (+) I have to admit that I wrote a beginner's guide to programming Forth for Laboratory Microsystems. It is aimed at someone who has the LMI Forth, but it probably could be read with other Forths -- with some experimentation for application-specific terms. You can send a message to Ray Duncan if you're interested. NET/Mail : LMI Forth Board, Los Angeles, CA (213) 306-3530 <<<>>> ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us or uunet!willett!dwp
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Date: 01-25-91 (18:57) Number: 976 of 976 (Echo) To: ALL Refer#: NONE From: JOE BATTELLE Read: (N/A) Subj: TIL BOOK Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: FORTH (58) Read Type: GENERAL (+) I am looking for a book titled Threaded Interpreted Languages, originally published by BYTE books. The book is now out of print. If anyone has a copy I would like to buy or rent it. NET/Mail : LMI Forth Board, Los Angeles, CA (213) 306-3530 <<<>>> ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You cannot Reply to the author using email. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, whatever). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us or uunet!willett!dwp
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Message 230 Sun Mar 10, 1991
GARY-S at 06:10 EST
Chris McEwen, publisher of 'The Computer Journal' has forwarded some
galley proofs of his upcoming issue #49. It contains a VERY nice
plug for GEnie and a special one in his editorial for the Forth
RoundTable.
Let me take this opportunity to remind everyone what a opportunity
'TCJ' has offered simply for the taking. Chris _wants_ Forth articles,
especially hands-on goodies. If we lose this outreach to the kind of
grass-roots programmer that helped make Forth what it is today, we
have not one person to blame but our collective self.
Forth has a voice in 'The Computer Journal'. Forth has a voice in 'Forth
Dimensions'. Forth has a voice in 'Embedded Systems Programming'. Forth
has a voice in 'ACM SigForth Newsletter' and 'Journal of Forth Applications
and Research'. Each of these reaches a different audience, all of whom
should be nurtured and appreciated.
Write your article today. We'll all be better for it.
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Message 232 Fri Mar 15, 1991
GARY-S at 21:25 EST
Subject: Potential Forth Books
In article: <1991Mar14.194203.5168@cbnewse.att.com>
cwpjr@cbnewse.att.com (clyde.w.jr.phillips) writes:
>I have been contemplating co-authoring some practical application
>FORTH books. I noticed Phil Koopman post:
>-- Would you like to see similar books for other CPUs?
>
> < Many potential titles listed .....>
>
>Thanks, Clyde
>P.S. Feedback on these titles is also highly valued.
Applause... but who will publish and who will buy them, Clyde ?
When even "Thinking Forth" is pulled by the publisher you have to
seriously question the marketability of 'Forth in ECHELON'
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Category 4, Topic 7 Message 233 Sat Mar 16, 1991 C.MCEWEN at 10:00 EST Gary Smith writes: But who will publish... This is probably best done through what is called "vanity press". That is, the author funds the typesetting and a small initial print run. There are a number of companies that work in this field. I am working toward getting Socrates Press (The Computer Journal) into just this field of publishing technical books of limited run. The drawback, of course, is that the author takes the risk that the book will or will not sell. The positive is that he/she holds the benefits if it does. ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You *cannot* reply to the author using e-mail. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, etc.). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us _or_ uunet!willett!dwp
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Category 4, Topic 7 Message 234 Sun Mar 17, 1991 B.RODRIGUEZ2 [Brad] at 10:50 EST Well, the last idea I had for a Forth book was a book on "Embedded Programming in Forth" as an outgrowth of my long paper on metacompilers. I figured that the 8051 would be a good model to use in the examples, and that source code should be included. Two months later, Payne's book appeared. (The story of my life... great ideas, bad timing.) I may still do something with this, along the "vanity press" lines. Keep me advised of Socrates Press, Chris. Re. Gary's comment, has anyone heard sales figures for Payne's book? - Brad P.S. what is "ECHELON"? ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You *cannot* reply to the author using e-mail. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, etc.). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us _or_ uunet!willett!dwp
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Category 4, Topic 7 Message 235 Sun Mar 17, 1991 C.MCEWEN at 19:36 EST Right now, Brad, Socrates Press could handle the typesetting and production of short run technical books. I have the equipment in house for the prepress and have association with several short run book printers and binders. What I don't yet have is the marketing side. A vanity press publisher should be able to at least steer you toward potential markets for your work, even if he does not share in the risk. Then again, I am associated with others in this field and if the need arose, I am sure we could build the necessary leads within a short period of time. ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You *cannot* reply to the author using e-mail. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, etc.). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us _or_ uunet!willett!dwp
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In article <2502.UUL1.3#5129@willett.pgh.pa.us>, ForthNet@willett.pgh.pa.us (ForthNet articles from GEnie) writes: > Category 4, Topic 7 > Message 232 Fri Mar 15, 1991 > GARY-S at 21:25 EST > > > Subject: Potential Forth Books > In article: <1991Mar14.194203.5168@cbnewse.att.com> > cwpjr@cbnewse.att.com (clyde.w.jr.phillips) writes: > > >I have been contemplating co-authoring some practical application > >FORTH books. I noticed Phil Koopman post: > >-- Would you like to see similar books for other CPUs? > > > > < Many potential titles listed .....> > > > >Thanks, Clyde > >P.S. Feedback on these titles is also highly valued. > > Applause... but who will publish and who will buy them, Clyde ? > When even "Thinking Forth" is pulled by the publisher you have to > seriously question the marketability of 'Forth in ECHELON' > > __ _ Gary Smith * ... uunet!ddi1!lrark!glsrk!gars * > / _' _ _ (_' P. O. Drawer 7680 * GEnie Forth RT & Unix RT SysOp * > /__/ (_|_/ '._) Little Rock,AR 72217 * voice phone : 501-227-7817 * > --------------- - U. S. A. - * group 3 fax : 501-228-9374 * Or even as published Notebook/Cookbooks on the subject. I mean a lot of this would be moot if there were "application notes" from vendors, right? ( VENDORS: <sarcastic> "RIGHT" ) Clyde 8^)
koopman@a.gp.cs.cmu.edu (Philip Koopman) (03/19/91)
There has been recent discussion about using a "vanity press" for publishing Forth books. The usual situation is that a vanity press publishes a small run of books for a fee, and is in effect a publisher-for-hire. My reaction is: if you're going to use a vanity press, why bother at all?? If your book project is of so limited appeal as to not be salable to a publisher, why not just go to the local copying center and do a few yourself (the way Ting does)? With desktop publishing there is no longer much incentive to hire out typesetting. If you are hoping that a vanity press will really help you market your book, you may be in for a rude awakening. While there may be some exceptions (please enlighten me if you know of any personally) the usual case from what I hear is that vanity presses do a half-hearted marketing attempt that very rarely accomplishes anything worthwhile. If you really want to get Forth information out into circulation, it is better to use a "real" publisher with established distribution channels than a vanity press. If you can't sell your work to a publisher, you should think three times before paying to have it printed up. Publishers I know of are still eager for an intermediate-level book on Forth. Topics of interest are: college-level texts, Forth for embedded real time control (especially with lab experiments), and other intermediate-level topics. Introductory Forth books are *not* desired. Phil Koopman koopman@greyhound.ece.cmu.edu Internet 2525A Wexford Run Rd. (412) 935-6697 Wexford, PA 15090 working for United Technologies Research Center starting March 25.
ForthNet@willett.pgh.pa.us (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (03/30/91)
Date: 03-16-91 (02:00) Number: 1521 of 1557 (Echo)
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: JACK WOEHR Read: (N/A)
Subj: FORTH IN DR. DOBB'S JRNL. Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Conf: FORTH (58) Read Type: GENERAL (+)
Dr. Dobb's Journal has accepted for (ostensibly) the June 1991
issue my article on a "medium-heavyweight" Forth multitasker. The
article shows how to superimpose a preemptive multitasker on top of
and in harmony with the traditional Forth cooperative multitasker
already present in my Forth-83i96.
NET/Mail : RCFB Golden, CO (303) 278-0364 VESTA & Denver FIG for Forth!
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Date: 03-18-91 (12:33) Number: 1534 of 1557 To: GARY SMITH Refer#: 1511 From: ANIL RODRIX Read: NO Subj: FORTH IN PRINT Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: FORTH (58) Read Type: GENERAL (+) RE: books Not sure whether that list was books or topics. MIDI sounds interesting; but dont forget the Atari ST. Manipulating graphic files is one suggestion, numerous formats. Forth and the AD 2105 ? this is a low cost chip but I dont know anything about it. PCRelay:PROPC -> #288 RelayNet (tm) 4.10 Pittsburgh ProPC BBS (412) 321-6645 <<<>>> ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You *cannot* reply to the author using e-mail. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, etc.). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us _or_ uunet!willett!dwp
ForthNet@willett.pgh.pa.us (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (04/06/91)
Date: 04-02-91 (14:08) Number: 1727 of 1747 (Echo) To: ALL Refer#: NONE From: RAY DUNCAN Read: (N/A) Subj: MICHAEL HAM'S BOOK Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: FORTH (58) Read Type: GENERAL (+) The LMI UR/FORTH version of Michael Ham's Forth Tutorial Book is now available for immediate purchase. The book is over 400 pages long and includes a disk of example programs, exercises, and solutions. The price of the book is $50 to UR/FORTH owners. A slightly different version of the book with a bundled Forth system (called "Little Forth") will be available in the near future. NET/Mail : LMI Forth Board, Los Angeles, CA (213) 306-3530 <<<>>> ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You *cannot* reply to the author using e-mail. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, etc.). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us _or_ uunet!willett!dwp
ForthNet@willett.pgh.pa.us (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (04/12/91)
Date: 04-07-91 (19:25) Number: 1791 of 1793 To: GARY SMITH Refer#: NONE From: BEN COMBEE Read: NO Subj: FORTH IN PRINT Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: FORTH (58) Read Type: GENERAL (+) +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | QUOTED FROM <GS> | | | | I posted to ForthNet about this, but didn't see it come along | | the wires ... so if I repeat myself, please to forgive. | | | | "Dr. Dobb's Journal" has accepted an article of mine on | | "Medium-Heavyweight Multitasking in Forth", tentatively slotted | | for the June issue. | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ _____________________________________________________________________ Sounds great! We need more FORTH in the mainstream press. -( Ben )- --- ~ SLMR 1.05 ~ "Yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation" - DRH ~ RNet 1.08D:* Metrolink - Front Porch BBS 404-695-1889 HST -Super Regional HU PCRelay:DCINFO -> #16 MetroLink (tm) International Network 4.10 DC Info Exchange MetroLink International Hub <<<>>> ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You *cannot* reply to the author using e-mail. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, etc.). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us _or_ uunet!willett!dwp
ForthNet@willett.pgh.pa.us (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (05/24/91)
Category 4, Topic 7 Message 65 Thu May 23, 1991 ATFURMAN [Alan F.] at 01:20 PDT > What publications, besides _Forth Dimensions_, cater to the Forth > community? Here's one: _SIGForth_, the quarterly newsletter of the Special Interest Group on Forth of the ACM. Association for Computing Machinery 11 West 42nd St. New York, NY 10036 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You *cannot* reply to the author using e-mail. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, etc.). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us _or_ uunet!willett!dwp