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Message 42 Sat Dec 15, 1990
GARY-S at 06:23 EST
In article Message-ID: <9012092322.AA03989@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>
wmb%MITCH.ENG.SUN.COM@SCFVM.GSFC.NASA.GOV writes:
>(Female readers, please invert the sex of appropriate words).
Are there _any_ female readers ? If there are they have been very
quiet.
More to the point, are there any female Forth programmers who have
a point to discuss or air publicly ? I invite one person each month
to appear as a guest in conference on the GEnie Forth RoundTable,
and it would please me tremendously if I could add a few female
guests besides Elizabeth Rather (who was gracious enough to accept
a appearance to discuss X3J14 which she chairs).
Gary Smith, gars@glsrk ...uunet!ddi1!lrark!glsrk!gars
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Category 1, Topic 8
Message 43 Sat Dec 15, 1990
D.RUFFER [Dennis] at 13:22 EST
From the current survey:
12. What is your sex?
A. Female 1 01%
B. Male 76 88%
C. Computerized 3 03%
D. Non-existant 2 02%
E. Unknown 3 03%
Of course that is only those on GEnie, but it's an interesting cross section
none the less.
Another interesting statistic:
11. What is your age bracket?
A. 15 and under 0
B. 16 - 20 3 03%
C. 21 - 30 21 24%
D. 31 - 40 34 40%
E. 41 - 55 24 28%
F. 56 - 65 1 01%
G. 66 and over 0
Does this say anything to the "Forth as a first language" debate? However,
this next one can at least give us some hope:
2. How long have you been using Forth?
A. 0 - 1 year 16 19%
B. 1 - 2 years 6 07%
C. 2 - 3 years 7 08%
D. 3 - 5 years 16 19%
E. 5 - 10 years 15 17%
F. Over 10 years 8 09%
G. Have not used it yet 18 21%
I'm think I will let the survey run until the end of the month, then post the
complete results. If you have not taken it yet, get your presence counted.
If you have taken it and your information may have change, take it again. You
answers will be automatically updated to reflect your new choices.
DaR
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Category 1, Topic 8 Message 45 Thu Mar 28, 1991 ELLIOTT.C at 16:26 EST Thanks to Dennis for the words of welcome. Rest assured that I will be cautious about pruning and re-arranging the msg. base. (whenever I get going at it.) I'm too grggy just now, having gotten up very early to get ready for a visit from our accountant (taxes and all that) A few more words for now: I studied math in the 60s and started a slow-pace acquaintance with computers as well around then. More recently a musical colleague told me a little about Forth (he was working on a lute tablature program). Still more recently I decided to learn machine language (8085) because I had a data recovery pproblem to solve with a Radio Shack Model 100. That same musical colleague's reminder about Forth took root this time and it was off to the races.... Right now I'm working on what Dennis has told me is a token threaded Forth. I will be helping to get things happening around Toronto. I am minding the home front just now (2 small boys) while my wife deals with a fairly steady stream of copy-editing contracts. Music (and other arts) have not provided much activity for me lately, and cab driving doesn't pay enough. I am pleased to have the opportunity to spend a lot of time with Forth experts and trust that others who drop in here feel likewise. I am watching all the cat's/top's, ready with 2c and the odd wisecrack. More anon , ...... ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You *cannot* reply to the author using e-mail. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, etc.). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us _or_ uunet!willett!dwp
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Category 1, Topic 8 Message 52 Mon May 06, 1991 R.CAVANAUGH [BobC] at 21:34 MDT Hi, I'm Bob Cavanaugh, an electrical engineer for 5 yrs. I am 31 and primarily work with embedded real-time and control systems. I have to work in C on the product, but test equipment and special fixtures the boss lets me do in Forth. I was introduced to Forth working on a realtime command/status monitor system a friend of mine was working on. Being able to change to programming of commands on- the-fly totally blew me away. I started with MVP, worked my way to F83 and finally to F-PC, which I love. I have been a FIG member for the last two years, and recently joined the SIGFORTH of the ACM. Glad to be on board! Bobc ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You *cannot* reply to the author using e-mail. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, etc.). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us _or_ uunet!willett!dwp
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Date: 05-05-91 (11:01) Number: 2104 of 2105 To: JACK WOEHR Refer#: NONE From: MICHAEL BARTHELOW Read: 05-05-91 (12:11) HAS REPLIES Subj: COMMENT Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: FORTH (58) Read Type: GENERAL (+) Hi! This is my first time on this BBS & I just wanted to say hello. I'm a mechanical engineer and beginning forth programmer, using the New Micros 68HC11 board. I heard about this BBS through your 12/89 ESP article on stepper motor control & am looking forward to learning lots on this BBS. Cheers! Michael Barthelow NET/Mail : RCFB Golden, CO (303) 278-0364 VESTA & Denver FIG for Forth! <<<>>> ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You *cannot* reply to the author using e-mail. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, etc.). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us _or_ uunet!willett!dwp
ForthNet@willett.pgh.pa.us (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (05/13/91)
Category 1, Topic 8 Message 55 Fri May 10, 1991 P.BROWN37 at 00:21 EDT I have just completed reading all the messages in this topic. 54 messages since sept '87. Of these, several replies and repeat customers (including the notable emittings of Mr. Furman). Who's here? Approximately 45 souls, unless some have since passed on. So, with a sense of reverence and awe from this rarified congregation, I make my humble introduction. My name is Peter Brown. I live in Toronto. I am 43 years old. I am not a computer professional (or any other type for that matter). My interest is hobbyist, dilettente. I've owned an XT for a couple of years. Had no prior computer experience. I've mucked about with GwBasic. Glanced at C and assembly language. I've had a modem since only earlier this year. I happened on Forth while shopping for a public domain compiler in the CompuServe IBM Programming Forum. What I got there was called Full-Segment Forth. Seems like it was a beta version of F-PC, hardly any documentation. So I checked-out the CompuServe Forth Forum, hoping to get a little insight. That's where I picked up F-PC, mainly because it was so big and free. The signposts, including some advice on CompuServe, have since guided me here. The only literature that I have thus far on Forth is the book Mastering Forth. But an error on page 69 has left me disenchanted. Expect to pick up the oft-cited Starting Forth when I bump into it. With Forth, however, I'm still very much enchanted. I love the syntax. The very language itself. Much more elegant than others. And the postfix arithmetic is a dream. The whole thing stimulates the imagination. Am also enchanted with this roundtable, though I've only just begun to explore the categories and haven't really looked at the libraries yet. Several of the topics promise to hold great interest, immediately and in the future. Peter Brown ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You *cannot* reply to the author using e-mail. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, etc.). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us _or_ uunet!willett!dwp
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Category 1, Topic 8 Message 56 Fri May 10, 1991 ELLIOTT.C at 15:56 EDT Welcome, Peter! I'm a Torontonian. Look me up in the phone book (Elliott Chapin, in case you didn't read the club door). Try F83 for starters, & get Brodie's STARTING FORTH (you may even find it in one of the stores - if not, I'll give you a copy of the FIG order blank). ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You *cannot* reply to the author using e-mail. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, etc.). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us _or_ uunet!willett!dwp
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Category 1, Topic 8 Message 57 Fri May 10, 1991 D.RUFFER [Dennis] at 22:29 EDT Peter: There are actually more than 45 people here, but most are shy and don't say much. There is actually a few hundred that stop by in the course of a month, but only a small percentage of them post messages. Then, there are the other BBS' that are connected through the ForthNet. We have standalone BBS' and the comp.lang.forth news group on Usenet. I have no way of knowing how many people are reading the posts, but there are again only a few that post. In otherwords, the input is small, but the output is every expanding. DaR ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You *cannot* reply to the author using e-mail. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, etc.). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us _or_ uunet!willett!dwp
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Category 1, Topic 8 Message 58 Sat May 11, 1991 D.POPE7 [Dan Pope] at 01:38 EDT I'm a K-12 educator in Michigan with no formal computer training other than a semester of FORTRAN in the early 60's (actually it was mostly keypuch experience as I remember). I put together a Heathkit H-8 in 1978, moved to an Apple IIe and recently acquired a PC clone. I teach LOGO and Basic to middle school students. I've been dabbling in Forth for a couple of years and intend to get serious about learning it real-soon- now; I'm intrigued by its elegance and simplicity. I've worked up some programs (in LOGO) that allow severely physically handicapped students to draw graphics and control appliances with a chin switch and would like to try some of this stuff with Forth eventually. Other interests include raising kids, ham radio (WB8BHP/qrp), beekeeking, bicycling, clarinet and bass fishing. My favorite philosopher is Woody Allen. ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You *cannot* reply to the author using e-mail. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, etc.). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us _or_ uunet!willett!dwp
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Message 59 Sun May 12, 1991
B.RODRIGUEZ2 [Brad] at 11:32 EDT
Peter Brown makes an excellent point...many of us have been arguing with each
other for so long that we don't bother to introduce ourselves. Certainly I
never posted an intro. Time to rectify...
Hello Peter, Michael, Bob. I'm Brad Rodriguez, and I live northwest of
Toronto. I do freelance hardware and software design for embedded systems. I
work mainly in assembler and (whenever I can) Forth; although I know C, I've
somehow managed to avoid professional work in it. My latest hardware project
is a parallel-processing system using ten Zilog Super8s...how's that for
weirdness?
I've used Forth since around '78, but only got active in the greater Forth
community four years ago. (First you attend a conference. Then you present a
paper at one. Before long you're writing for various journals and wishing you
were being paid for it.)
These days I only work part-time, as I am pursuing a PhD in Electrical
Engineering at McMaster University.
* * *
Peter, I also have the dubious honor of being our local FIG chapter's
librarian. We have about 10 megabytes of public domain and shareware Forth
software in our library -- including several PC Forths -- much of it
downloaded from GEnie. I'll be happy to send you a copy of our library
directory if you wish; you can save yourself the cost of a download if we
already have it in the library.
I invite you to attend one of our local FIG chapter meetings. The Southern
Ontario chapter meets the first Saturday of December, March, and June, and the
second Saturday of September, at McMaster University in Hamilton. Usually in
room 417 of the General Sciences Building; call Dr. Nick Solntseff at (416)
525-9140 x3443 for details. Special note: the upcoming June meeting has been
moved back two weeks, to June 15th.
- Brad
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Date: 05-15-91 (00:01) Number: 2190 of 2194
To: B.RODRIGUEZ2 [BRAD] Refer#: 2147
From: ROBERT MCISAAC Read: NO
Subj: WHO'S HERE Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Conf: FORTH (58) Read Type: GENERAL (+)
B[>Hello Peter, Michael, Bob. I'm Brad Rodriguez, and I live northwest of
B[>Toronto. I do freelance hardware and software design for embedded
systems. I
B[>Peter, I also have the dubious honor of being our local FIG chapter's
B[>librarian. We have about 10 megabytes of public domain and shareware
Forth
B[>I invite you to attend one of our local FIG chapter meetings. The
Southern
B[>Ontario chapter meets the first Saturday of December, March, and June, and
the
B[>moved back two weeks, to June 15th.
Hi People!
Here's another Ontario Forth enthusiast living in Mississauga. I'm
a Comp Sci student stuck with PL/1, C, and dBase3 using FORTH mostly
for hobby. I have a 4th-83 optomized for the Color Computer 3 which
compiles itself somehow. Anyway, I would like to attend one of your
meetings just to see what's up but was unable to contact Dr. Sol..
on a previous occasion. Let me know please.
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Category 1, Topic 8 Message 61 Fri May 24, 1991 B.SUTTON1 [Brian] at 21:18 EDT Hi, all! I guess I'll introduce myself here. I've been in on & off for a while now. I've been working with FORTH for about 10 years now, using the FIG version for the TI computer (Wycove), F83 on my cp/m computer, and now, finally I've graduated to a 386 that I'm running F83s. I use FORTH for everything I can, mostly having to do with running my office (I'm a doctor of Chiropractic) and it's sort of become an intense hobby. Most of my applications involve accounting, databases, and word processing & the interfacing of all of the above. I'm having trouble understanding why people keep talking as if FORTH is totally useless for anything except imbedded systems & such -- my office runs veerrrryyy quickly & efficiently on the programming I've built over the years. Of course, being custom-designed, it does exactly what I want it to! ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You *cannot* reply to the author using e-mail. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, etc.). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us _or_ uunet!willett!dwp
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Category 1, Topic 8 Message 62 Fri May 24, 1991 ELLIOTT.C at 23:39 EDT Brian, I imagine you have some interesting design ideas. ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You *cannot* reply to the author using e-mail. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, etc.). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us _or_ uunet!willett!dwp
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Category 1, Topic 8 Message 63 Sat May 25, 1991 B.RODRIGUEZ2 [Brad] at 13:22 EDT Ah, hello Robert! If you have Forth running on a CoCo 3 we should definitely talk; I have a purported CoCo clone (a Dragon) which I'd like to get running. I'm a fan of the 6809 processor. I'm posting the new meeting announcement in the FIG Chapters topic here on GEnie. If it doesn't get transferred, here's the stats: Saturday, June 15, 2:00 pm to 5:30 pm, McMaster University, General Sciences Building, Room 417. General Sciences is on the west side of the campus, near the building with the tall smokestack. If you post a fax number, I'll fax you a map. Our speaker will be Dr. Sergei Baranoff of the Leningrad Institute for Informatics, provided of course that he is able to make it. We won't know for sure until perhaps a week before the meeting. - Brad ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You *cannot* reply to the author using e-mail. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, etc.). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us _or_ uunet!willett!dwp
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In article <2809.UUL1.3#5129@willett.pgh.pa.us>, ForthNet@willett.pgh.pa.us (ForthNet articles from GEnie) writes: > Category 1, Topic 8 > Message 61 Fri May 24, 1991 > B.SUTTON1 [Brian] at 21:18 EDT > > Hi, all! I guess I'll introduce myself here. I've been in on & off for a > while now. > > I've been working with FORTH for about 10 years now, using the FIG version for > the TI computer (Wycove), F83 on my cp/m computer, and now, finally I've > graduated to a 386 that I'm running F83s. > > I use FORTH for everything I can, mostly having to do with running my office > (I'm a doctor of Chiropractic) and it's sort of become an intense hobby. Most > of my applications involve accounting, databases, and word processing & the > interfacing of all of the above. > > I'm having trouble understanding why people keep talking as if FORTH is > totally useless for anything except imbedded systems & such -- my office runs > veerrrryyy quickly & efficiently on the programming I've built over the years. > Of course, being custom-designed, it does exactly what I want it to! > > Assuming your code is well factored would you consider working with a third party to apply your code to other practitioners, prbably with a royalties structure? Right now I'm just curious but I'm movin to Idaho and come fro a Physician's family and may need to create work out there... ----- -- #-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#--#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-##-Not even the smart cookies know how they will crumble - Wisom of the Cookies-##-Clyde W. Phillips Jr. FORTH plan Amiga Man Dead Fan Chicago Born GO BULLS!!!-##-South Shore Hyde Park NewTown Wicker Park Rogers Park Evanston I BEEN AROUND-##-Reach out to me at clyde@ihlpl.att.com or (708) 713-5365w or (708) 386-3147h-##-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#--#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#
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Category 1, Topic 8 Message 64 Fri May 31, 1991 G.LEFAVE [Gene] at 06:54 CDT Hi Brian, I've been using polyForth for years as a database language. My company sells library automation systems. I think it makes a wonderful database language and am working on an object oriented version now. I'm curious about your use of forth as a word processor. Years ago (well circa 1984) we used Leo Brodies QTF processor for our documentation. But we've been forced to move with the times. Gene ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You *cannot* reply to the author using e-mail. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, etc.). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us _or_ uunet!willett!dwp
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Message 65 Fri Jun 07, 1991
B.SUTTON1 [Brian] at 18:59 EDT
Gene, my word processing is based on Brodie's QTF (rather loosely), but it
includes things like micro-justification, accessing all of the potentials of
my epson-compatible printers (citizen & star nx1000) to do things like double
& quad sized text. It also gives us
full control over line spacing, proportional printing and type styles.
I've automated things like headers, footers, indexes, tables of contents, etc.
I don't normally use those things on a day-to-day basis, but they've come in
handy from time to time.
Probably the reason I use it the most (as opposed to other, more sophisticated
programs) is because:
1. It's real quick.
2. We use a lot of pre-printed forms and it's a snap to have it fill in the
blanks; i.e.,
name[ John Doe] date[ June 3, 1991] age[ 55] history[ ... ]
I use screen 1 to define the relevant commands in a particular file. My
secretary has no problem running the program or using the full- screen editor
I wrote for it.
Back in the dark ages when I was using cp/m (a couple months ago)
I would send the document to a disk file to run a spelling checker on
it before printing. I'm sure it's simple to do in DOS, so I'll probably add
that in soon.
Another thing I like about it is that I can have one big file called
"reports.txt" to store the source on. Then, and INDex will quickly help me
find any previous report that was written (obviously, they're stored in order
by date). At the end of the year, I archive each text file for the year.
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Message 66 Sun Jun 16, 1991
J.SANFORD1 at 15:59 MDT
I'me Jon Sanford; Altho a Member of FIG since 73, still a novice Forth
programmer. Excuse #1 computing is my hobby not a profession. #2 I have some
learning disabilites that come under the broad catagory of deslexia. ( I
welcome dicussion on this) I have known programers who were very good who have
been almost disfunctional in other areas . the backwards nature of Forth is
very attractive to those of us who wanted to write backwards as children.
Where Forth is not consistantly backwards is a source of frustration.
Excuse #3 my regular occupation is as an artist when the muse is with me I
don't understand computer programming. I have a Idea that switching between
right and left brain is what has made my life both difficult and interesting.
So when the art muse goes away computers and espically Forth can become very
interesting. Yet I have to study all over again to get back to where I left
off, Usually with some Undocmented code I couldn't unravel.
So I will be appearing and dissappering on this BBS periodicly. like some
kind of wobbly comic cosmic commenting comet. Also to further and refresh my
education I am attempting to read everything on the board that may have
revelance to my interests. My observations on social interactions may at times
seem bazare in such a tecknical context however my incompetence at Forth &
spelling & grammer dosn't qualify my inspired insights in socialcyberspace. I
belive I have something to contribute. When I read some rather harsh words
about "Wiseguys" here I thought they must mean me! I noticed however the mess.
was from way before I got on board. Whew! yet, after 50 years aboard the
planet I Have learned to allow others opinions. I try to be considerate not
necessairly obedient. In other words some may find my rambling discourses
irevelant & anoying. I can now accept that with equanimity. Thank You for your
patientence & understanding -jon-{B{)-
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Category 1, Topic 8 Message 67 Mon Jun 17, 1991 ELLIOTT.C at 13:05 EDT Welcome, Jon! Einstein was deslexic; so is my wife, and she's an excellent copy editor. My father was a painter. I am not a professional programmer but wish I were. ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You *cannot* reply to the author using e-mail. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, etc.). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us _or_ uunet!willett!dwp
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Category 1, Topic 8 Message 68 Tue Jun 18, 1991 G.LEFAVE [Gene] at 06:52 CDT Brian, I used my own version of QTF for quite some time. I even created stretchable blocks for it. I finally gave up on it for general word processing because I didn't want to deal with the major rewrite to fully support laser printers. If we were using a lot of forms I can see how it would be quite appropriate. I use a similar approach quite frequently for printing labels, etc. Gene ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You *cannot* reply to the author using e-mail. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, etc.). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us _or_ uunet!willett!dwp