ForthNet@willett.UUCP (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (03/11/90)
Date: 03-09-90 (14:34) Number: 1622 (Echo) To: ALL Refer#: NONE From: NICK IDE Read: (N/A) Subj: Screen Mgmt in FORTH from Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Anybody ever embedded FORTH in a C program and then used FORTH for Screen Management type stuff. Seems like a common problem-- how to add logic to display screens. I was thinking to use FORTH for that logic and then write the bulk of my application in C, including a FORTH interpreter to process the screens. Ideas? ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: 'uunet!willett!dwp' or 'willett!dwp@gateway.sei.cmu.edu'
ForthNet@willett.pgh.pa.us (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (08/27/90)
Category 1, Topic 22 Message 34 Sat Aug 25, 1990 D.WALKER31 at 05:13 EDT Sad to report that I've had to cancel my Forth on Xenix conversion project at least for the time being, after a promising start regarding the core image headers. My customer wanted a deadline & I couldn't risk the possibility of putting in all that time and still maybe missing the deadline. Maybe by the time this becomes a commercial reality again, someone else will have a native Forth running under SCO UNIX (i.e. not in C)_? Thank you, Gary, Dennis, Mitch! It would be interesting to find out if the Mark Williams *nix has the same system calls to the kernel as SCO I stopped short of finding out whether Minix does. Even just more or } The increased breadth of acceptance of SPARC makes Mitch Bradley's Forth widgets a potentially very fertile area, particularly since X Windows source code is available for the cost of a file transfer. I'm not sure I will ever convert Forth to SCO Unix because the secretiveness I encountered makes it more attractive to convert X under almost any other operating system. Given the falling cost of RAM, it may be even more attractive just to LOAD X routines dynamically and CALL them from Forth, that is to write a dynamic runtime interface with C in .OBJ file form. Has anybody done this or something similar_? I seem to remember something like it in a Harvard Softworks ad? (I know that Sun uses NEWS and not X and that NEWS has advantages, but the wide acceptance of X and availability of source code seems crucial to me in retrospect.) S* ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: uunet!willett!dwp or dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us
ForthNet@willett.pgh.pa.us (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (10/05/90)
Date: 09-24-90 (17:41) Number: 776 (Echo)
To: RAY DUNCAN Refer#: NONE
From: VINCENT RANDAL Read: 09-24-90 (22:19)
Subj: FORTH UNDER UNIX Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Mr. Duncan, please comment on the problems one faces when attempting
to provide/obtain Forth services on a Unix system. I'm a graduate
student at Univ of Texas at San Antonio, and I'm considering this as
thesis problem.
My interest is instrumentation development, and I will be interfacing
VXI "mainframes" to SUN workstations running SUN OS for multiprocessors.
This is the equipment available to me, thus I would like to consider
providing LMI Forth under Sun Unix.
Please comment on the practicality. Also, please advise as to the
extent LMI might provide information or other resources during the
course of a project such as this. Thank You, Vincent Randal.
NET/Mail : LMI Forth Board, Los Angeles, CA (213) 306-3530
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Date: 09-24-90 (22:19) Number: 777 (Echo) To: VINCENT RANDAL Refer#: 1703 From: RAY DUNCAN Read: NO Subj: FORTH UNDER UNIX Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE We have used several different routes to bring Forth up in the UNIX environment. It's a fairly involved process, unless you just write the Forth in C, which is straightforward although the resulting performance is usually terrible (compared to Forth systems built in the "normal" way). I suggest you just buy a copy of Mitch Bradley's FORTH for the Sun workstation. I believe it comes with source code, and you'll save yourself a great deal of time and aggravation. NET/Mail : LMI Forth Board, Los Angeles, CA (213) 306-3530 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us or uunet!willett!dwp
ForthNet@willett.pgh.pa.us (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (10/05/90)
Date: 09-26-90 (05:10) Number: 781 (Echo) To: RAY DUNCAN Refer#: 777 From: VINCENT RANDAL Read: 09-26-90 (08:55) Subj: FORTH UNDER UNIX Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Thank you for your reply, but I must ask who to contact to obtain Mitch Bradley's Forth for the Sun workstation. I've already called the local Sun office, and they don't seem to know. Please reely. NET/Mail : LMI Forth Board, Los Angeles, CA (213) 306-3530 Date: 09-26-90 (08:55) Number: 782 (Echo) To: VINCENT RANDAL Refer#: 1711 From: RAY DUNCAN Read: NO Subj: FORTH UNDER UNIX Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Contact: Bradley Forthware, P. O. Box 4444, Mt. View, CA 94040. You should also be able to reach him via UNIX email; look in conference 6 and you will find several messages from him with his EMAIL ID. NET/Mail : LMI Forth Board, Los Angeles, CA (213) 306-3530 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us or uunet!willett!dwp
ForthNet@willett.pgh.pa.us (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (10/30/90)
Date: 10-26-90 (23:26) Number: 52 of 52
To: GARY SMITH Refer#: NONE
From: CHRIS WATERS Read: 10-28-90 (21:25)
Subj: Fneas Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Conf: FORTH (58) Read Type: GENERAL
GS> From: marc@noe.UUCP (Marc de Groot)
GS> Organization: Noe Systems, San Francisco
GS> I am looking for a site where I can drop off copies of my public
GS> Un*x Forth as they become available.
Gary,
I don't have access to Usenet right now, but our BBS has an
emphasis on Unix, and the CoSysOp (me) is a long time Forth
programmer. We would love to become at least a secondary distribution
site for a *NIX Forth.
Also, Marc is an old friend of mine that I've sorta lost contact
with. Please, please, forward him my name and the number of the BBS.
I'd love to hear from him, and we're in San Jose which is very close
to San Francisco. Thanks a lot.
[ Presumably the BBS is open to all takers. -dwp]
Chris Waters, coSysOp @ THECAVE BBS, San Jose, (408) 259-8098.
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Date: 09-26-90 (08:55) Number: 120 of 157 (Echo) To: VINCENT RANDAL Refer#: 1711 From: RAY DUNCAN Read: 10-02-90 (23:57) Subj: FORTH UNDER UNIX Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: FORTH (58) Read Type: GENERAL (+) Contact: Bradley Forthware, P. O. Box 4444, Mt. View, CA 94040. You should also be able to reach him via UNIX email; look in conference 6 and you will find several messages from him with his EMAIL ID. NET/Mail : LMI Forth Board, Los Angeles, CA (213) 306-3530 <<<>>> ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us or uunet!willett!dwp
ForthNet@willett.pgh.pa.us (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (11/29/90)
Category 1, Topic 22 Message 47 Wed Nov 28, 1990 GARY-S at 06:25 EST Subject: Forth for Xenix 286 In: <9011241809.AA28352@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU writes: >Does someone know about a PD Forth for Xenix 286? yes - Bradley Forthware P O Box 4444 Mt. View, CA 94040 __ _ (Gary Smith) uunet!ddi1!lrark!glsrk!gars * gars@glsrk.uucp * / _' _ _ (_' P. O. Drawer 7680 * GEnie Forth RT & Unix RT SysOp * /__/ (_|_/ '._) Little Rock,AR 72217 * winken!well!gars * claris!wet!gars * ---------------- - U. S. A. - * ames!chinet!gars * ph:501-227-7817 * ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us or uunet!willett!dwp
wmb@MITCH.ENG.SUN.COM (11/30/90)
>> Does someone know about a PD Forth for Xenix 286? > yes - Bradley Forthware > P O Box 4444 > Mt. View, CA 94040 A bit of a clarification: my C Forth 83 product, which is probably what is referred to above, is not in the public domain. However, it is relatively inexpensive - $50 for source and documentation. Mitch Bradley, wmb@Eng.Sun.COM
ForthNet@willett.pgh.pa.us (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (12/06/90)
Date: 12-01-90 (03:13) Number: 343 of 359 To: GARY SMITH Refer#: 311 From: ROGER LEE Read: NO Subj: Forth And Unix Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: FORTH (58) Read Type: GENERAL (+) 3GS=> Does someone know about a PD Forth for Xenix 286? 3 TMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM> I am working on acquiring a copy. Will keep you posted. --- -> MegaMail v2.1a #782:There's at least 1 fool in every married couple. --- * SFUTI 3.01 / Now accepting UNIX files! PCRelay:THECAVE -> #559 RelayNet (tm) 4.10 The Cave (408)259-8098 12/24/96/19.2 HST/DS <<<>>> ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us or uunet!willett!dwp
ForthNet@willett.pgh.pa.us (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (02/21/91)
Date: 02-18-91 (08:37) Number: 1243 of 1243 (Echo)
To: GARY SMITH Refer#: 1192
From: JACK WOEHR Read: NO
Subj: FORTH AND UNIX Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Conf: FORTH (58) Read Type: GENERAL (+)
-> From: wmb@MITCH.ENG.SUN.COM Subject: Forth calls C
-> For instance, the Atari ST has about 5 different system interface
-> levels, each with different calling conventions, not to mention the 3
-> or 4 different C compilers that have been popular at various times in
-> the machines lifetime.
Yes, Lattice compilers had a very nice way of dealing with
this with the #pragma mechanism for defining interfaces, but
of course not terribly portable. Besides, I doubt if Don Colburn
or the rest of X3J14 would go for it if you and I submitted a
proposal to add PRAGMA-MYASS to the language ... :-)
=jax=
NET/Mail : RCFB Golden, CO (303) 278-0364 VESTA & Denver FIG for Forth!
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Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us _or_ uunet!willett!dwpcwpjr@cbnewse.att.com (clyde.w.jr.phillips) (02/22/91)
In article <2384.UUL1.3#5129@willett.pgh.pa.us>, ForthNet@willett.pgh.pa.us (ForthNet articles from GEnie) writes: > > Date: 02-18-91 (08:37) Number: 1243 of 1243 (Echo) > To: GARY SMITH Refer#: 1192 > From: JACK WOEHR Read: NO > Subj: FORTH AND UNIX Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE > Conf: FORTH (58) Read Type: GENERAL (+) > > -> From: wmb@MITCH.ENG.SUN.COM Subject: Forth calls C > > -> For instance, the Atari ST has about 5 different system interface > -> levels, each with different calling conventions, not to mention the 3 > -> or 4 different C compilers that have been popular at various times in > -> the machines lifetime. > > Yes, Lattice compilers had a very nice way of dealing with > this with the #pragma mechanism for defining interfaces, but > of course not terribly portable. Besides, I doubt if Don Colburn > or the rest of X3J14 would go for it if you and I submitted a > proposal to add PRAGMA-MYASS to the language ... :-) > > =jax= HI Guys, Am I missing something or could this be easily solved by a Vendor supplying a standard ( ANS ) system interface that has built in support ( ie primitives ) for alternate form/sequence parameters? Then people who need to access a different system level simply create the alternate form from the Standard primitives. Authors could share these or FIG could do some work to fill-the-gap, ala their origina charter and provide the alternate levels as PD stuff. My main thought is that fundamental system primitive like this definately belongs in a Standard, not as weeds around the house. Clyde
ForthNet@willett.pgh.pa.us (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (04/07/91)
Date: 04-03-91 (12:47) Number: 1748 of 1753 To: GARY SMITH Refer#: 1706 From: ANIL RODRIX Read: NO Subj: FORTH ON SUN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: FORTH (58) Read Type: GENERAL (+) To Mitch Bradley : ( if you receive this ) Are you connected with Sun of the Sparcstations ? if so can you tell me what Forths are available , free, cheap, or standard software pricing ? Our company ( small ) is switching to use a SUN machine as a server, running UNIX; I am not much involved in the programming end ( MIS ? ); so I dont know how much i'll be able to get approved for something just to "play " with. Thanks...anr PCRelay:PROPC -> #288 RelayNet (tm) 4.10 Pittsburgh ProPC BBS (412) 321-6645 <<<>>> ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You *cannot* reply to the author using e-mail. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, etc.). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us _or_ uunet!willett!dwp
ForthNet@willett.pgh.pa.us (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (04/19/91)
Date: 04-15-91 (12:23) Number: 1898 of 1904 To: GARY SMITH Refer#: 1800 From: ANIL RODRIX Read: NO Subj: FORTH AND UNIX Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: FORTH (58) Read Type: GENERAL (+) To: Mitch Bradley Re. Forth on SUN - received your ported message, thanks for the reply. The Forths seem pretty reasonable, will look into it once we get our system installed. s PCRelay:PROPC -> #288 RelayNet (tm) 4.10 Pittsburgh ProPC BBS (412) 321-6645 <<<>>> ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You *cannot* reply to the author using e-mail. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, etc.). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us _or_ uunet!willett!dwp
ForthNet@willett.pgh.pa.us (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (06/18/91)
Category 1, Topic 22 Message 77 Sun Jun 16, 1991 ELLIOTT.C at 10:27 EDT Those out there writing a UNIX in Forth: How's it going? ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You *cannot* reply to the author using e-mail. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, etc.). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us _or_ uunet!willett!dwp
rob@innovus.uucp (Rob Sciuk) (06/19/91)
In article <2898.UUL1.3#5129@willett.pgh.pa.us> ForthNet@willett.pgh.pa.us (ForthNet articles from GEnie) writes: >Category 1, Topic 22 >Message 77 Sun Jun 16, 1991 >ELLIOTT.C at 10:27 EDT > >Those out there writing a UNIX in Forth: How's it going? fine -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Rob Sciuk rob@innovus.com OR rob@innovus.on.ca Innovus Inc. 204-200 James St S. Hamilton, Ont. Phone: (416) 529-8117 {not a flame ... merely a glimmer ...} Fax: (416) 572-9586
"elliott chapin" <elliott.chapin@canrem.uucp> (06/20/91)
>Those out there writing a UNIX in Forth: How's it going?
RS> fine
Nothing more to say, Rob? Maybe Jax still thinks it's a bad joke :)
Elliott Chapin
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