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Date: 03-06-90 (14:07) Number: 3003 (Echo) To: ALL Refer#: NONE From: STEPHEN MINTON Read: (N/A) Subj: F83 (L&P) CP/M VERSION Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE I am in need of downloading the latest available version of F83 (L&P) for CP/M (I have 1.00). Where would I find this, and was it updated to 2.10 like the PC version? Thanks! ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: 'uunet!willett!dwp' or 'willett!dwp@gateway.sei.cmu.edu'
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Category 1, Topic 7
Message 86 Wed Mar 07, 1990
GARY-S at 06:52 EST
fo: STEPHEN MINTON
Subj: F83 (L&P) CP/M VERSION
>I am in need of downloading the latest available version of F83 (L&P)
>for CP/M (I have 1.00). Where would I find this, and was it updated
>to 2.10 like the PC version? Thanks!
There are several upgraded L&P F-83's available on GEnie and the CFB's
for CP/M users. They did not follow the 2.10 version notation, but have
such additons as full screen editors and alphabetized word lists. You
may prefer to look at the silicon valley fig (John Peters) disks posted
on GEnie and the CFB's and roll your own. There is also the Australian
M-20 you may wish to consider. It accepts text files.
Gary
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Date: 03-06-90 (16:13) Number: 1619 (Echo)
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: SCOTT ROBERTS Read: (N/A)
Subj: FORTH SOURCE FOR 8088 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Does anyone know of a forth system that would be suitable for storing
in ROM of a controller based on the intel 8088? If I could get an
assembler source listing, etc I could modify it to suit my system.
Thanks in advance, Scott Roberts
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Date: 03-07-90 (20:18) Number: 3006 (Echo) To: STEPHEN MINTON Refer#: 3003 From: JERRY SHIFRIN Read: NO Subj: F83 (L&P) CP/M VERSION Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE SM>I am in need of downloading the latest available version of F83 (L&P) SM>for CP/M (I have 1.00). Where would I find this, and was it updated SM>to 2.10 like the PC version? Thanks! Sorry, it was moved offline due to lack of interest. Lance Collins' CP/M Forth system is still available for downloading if you're interested. See ECFB directory #18. If you're really stuck and need CP/M F83, let me know and I'll move it back online for a while. --- ~ EZ 1.26 ~ ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: 'uunet!willett!dwp' or 'willett!dwp@gateway.sei.cmu.edu'
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Date: 03-07-90 (15:06) Number: 3011 (Echo)
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: IAN GREEN Read: (N/A)
Subj: CMFORTH Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Anybody seen a cmForth system for DOS? I currently only have F-83 in
my tools directory and would like a copy of cmForth to fiddle with.
Ian Green
NET/Mail : British Columbia Forth Board - Burnaby BC - (604)434-5886
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Date: 03-09-90 (01:08) Number: 1621 (Echo) To: SCOTT ROBERTS Refer#: 1619 From: JERRY SHIFRIN Read: NO Subj: FORTH SOURCE FOR 8088 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE SR> Does anyone know of a forth system that would be suitable for stor SR>in ROM of a controller based on the intel 8088? If I could get an SR>assembler source listing, etc I could modify it to suit my system. You might want to look into the ZenForth files available on the CFB's/GEnie and perhaps even get in touch with Martin Tracy (their author). I understand that Zen has been successfully ROM'd into various environments. --- ~ EZ 1.26 ~ ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: 'uunet!willett!dwp' or 'willett!dwp@gateway.sei.cmu.edu'
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Category 1, Topic 7 Message 91 Sun Mar 11, 1990 F.SERGEANT [Frank] at 10:39 CST [Pygmy is available on SIMTEL20. --dwp] post following to c1t7sr SR> Does anyone know of a forth system that would be suitable for SC> storing in ROM of a controller based on the intel 8088? ... Scott, I think Pygmy Forth (file #1939 on GEnie) might be usable for that purpose. I used the same approach to put a version of it in ROM for a Zilog Super8 I breadboarded. I presume you won't have DOS available for its services. Pygmy is easily meta-compilable, with full source code. Search thru the (block) file PYGMY.SCR for the word RAM for an example of setting up variables (that, of course, mustn't be in ROM). The I/O is vectored so it should be a simple matter to define your own versions of KEY, KEY?, and EMIT. -- Frank ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: 'uunet!willett!dwp' or 'willett!dwp@gateway.sei.cmu.edu'
ForthNet@willett.UUCP (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (06/27/90)
Date: 06-22-90 (23:18) Number: 1887 (Echo) To: GARY SMITH Refer#: 1875 From: GORDON GANDERTON Read: NO Subj: SELECTING A PUBLIC DOMAIN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE GS> here, Gordon.. is the 8201 the CP/M NEC or is it the strictly Ky GS> clone ? If it is the cp/m version there are a couple you (might) GS> away with. With only 16K available, you won't have much left for Thanks Gary. Yes, it is the cp/m version. All I have used it for lately is to provided control for my Bert robot I built in Karl Brown's class here. Rgds. --- ~ EZ 1.26 ~ NET/Mail : British Columbia Forth Board - Burnaby BC - (604)434-5886 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: uunet!willett!dwp or willett!dwp@hobbes.cert.sei.cmu.edu
ForthNet@willett.UUCP (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (07/01/90)
Date: 06-28-90 (11:24) Number: 683 (Echo)
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: TOM PRUETT Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: SEEKING RECOMMENDATIONS- Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
We are considering using Forth for program development on the 6303Y.
I learned Forth on a commodore computer several years ago, but I have
never used it in an embedded system. The other people in my group are
familiar with C, and are new to Forth. They are willing to
objectively consider each one. Our objective is to get our product
to market ASAP. We have the following questions:
A.) What is the relative development time for a moderately large
program written in C, Forth, and Assembly? A similar product of
ours, written in assembly, requires 40K ROM and 8K RAM.
B.) What is the relative performance of programs written in C, Forth
and assembly?
C.) How do RAM requirements (minimum stack space, etc...) compare
for these languages?
D.) What opinions are there about the LMI products?
I would appreciate any comments that anyone might have.
We have to make a decision soon. Please leave a message for me on this
BBS. I appreciate the hospitality of LMI in letting me log onto their
system. Thanks!
NET/Mail : LMI Forth Board, Los Angeles, CA (213) 306-3530
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Date: 06-28-90 (20:17) Number: 684 (Echo)
To: TOM PRUETT Refer#: 1426
From: PAUL PRICE Read: NO
Subj: SEEKING RECOMMENDATIONS- Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
I personally use LMI's 68000 and Z80 meta-compilers. They are both use
to produce embedded controller software. VERY efficient use of both
ram and rom space.... I was really surprised when I turned off all the
headers!!!!!
As to development time..... C programmers and FORTH programmers of
equal proficiency, compared, the FORTH programmer will typically get
the job done first....
It was once put to me this way:
" C is for people who want to write programs, FORTH is for people who
want to get a job done....."
FORTH is an EASY language to learn to be useful at, but it takes a
LONG time and a lot of re-writing of code to become GOOD....
Good luck & may the FORTH be with you,
Paul Price ( Decom Systems Inc.)
NET/Mail : LMI Forth Board, Los Angeles, CA (213) 306-3530
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Date: 07-01-90 (10:18) Number: 686 (Echo) To: TOM PRUETT Refer#: 683 From: MICHAEL HAM Read: NO Subj: SEEKING RECOMMENDATIONS- Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE I have had very good experience in using LMI products and LMI support. It has been particularly nice to be able to move through operating systems upgrades and changes with LMI in effect doing all the work of conversion and providing new versions of their Forth to take care of the operating system enhancements. My own use has been in single-person projects; in a team project, I think it will be important to do a bit more pre-coding work on the design to keep people in sync. It is a trade-off--people do learn about the application from trying things out, and Forth is very good as a prototyping language because of its power and the interpretative implementation. But along with the prototyping must come a common team understanding of the approach and style, and some control on the words. Vocabularies are probably much more important in team projects to provide some modularization. And I think that formal code inspections will be important so that people understand each other's approach and again to ensure a common style. Frequent walkthroughs and inspections will assist in training the team and ensuring the quality of the application. One continuing challenge is to find the correct factoring--to build the elemental words with the widest possible application. Thinking Forth is a useful text if you can locate a copy. NET/Mail : LMI Forth Board, Los Angeles, CA (213) 306-3530 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: uunet!willett!dwp or willett!dwp@hobbes.cert.sei.cmu.edu
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Date: 07-05-90 (15:51) Number: 1662 (Echo) To: ALL Refer#: 1545 From: MATTHIAS GIWER Read: (N/A) Subj: LEARING FORTH Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Hello. I am looking for a total begginers forth package(read PD). Very little exp. in programming,but I wish to learn Forth. I have a MS-DOS 3.2,XT-Clone. What would be the "best" package? ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: uunet!willett!dwp or willett!dwp@hobbes.cert.sei.cmu.edu
ForthNet@willett.UUCP (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (07/19/90)
Date: 07-15-90 (18:36) Number: 3519 (Echo)
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: DOUGLAS BURKETT Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: Z80 FORTH KERNAL Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Does anyone know of PD or shareware implementation of FORTH or a
similar language for the Z80. I don't mean CP/M. I am working
on an embedded controller and would like to implement FORTH as
the OS. The kernal must be less than 16K and need not support
file I/O. Serial terminal support is all that is required.
--Doug--
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Date: 07-17-90 (12:07) Number: 3522 (Echo) To: DOUGLAS BURKETT Refer#: 3519 From: CHARLIE HITSELBERGER Read: NO Subj: Z80 FORTH KERNAL Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE The book "Threaded Interpretive Languages" by R.L. Loeliger contains just what you are looking for. It's Z-80 oriented, and it discusses just how to roll your own Forth in less than 4K (or 8K, I dunno... it was an outrageously low number tho). It was published by Byte Books sometime around 1983 and it might be available from your local fig chapter library or somebody here might have it. I'd never sell mine though! ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: uunet!willett!dwp or willett!dwp@hobbes.cert.sei.cmu.edu
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Date: 07-17-90 (16:35) Number: 3531 (Echo) To: DOUGLAS BURKETT Refer#: 3519 From: PAUL PRICE Read: NO Subj: Z80 FORTH KERNAL Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Glenn Toennes of Escondido has a PD, 8080/z80 rommable Forth. It's a mixture of the things he liked from both the 79 and 83 standards. He's on vacation til the 23rd of July, but when he gets back, you can reach him at (619) 741-0993, after 6, PST. Paul Price NET/Mail : LMI Forth Board, Los Angeles, CA (213) 306-3530 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: uunet!willett!dwp or willett!dwp@hobbes.cert.sei.cmu.edu
ritchie@hpdmd48boi.hp.com (David Ritchie) (07/20/90)
> The book "Threaded Interpretive Languages" by R.L. Loeliger contains > just what you are looking for. It's Z-80 oriented, and it discusses > just how to roll your own Forth in less than 4K (or 8K, I dunno... it > was an outrageously low number tho). I seem to recall that the most recent Forth Dimensions had this in the book list. Dave
ForthNet@willett.UUCP (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (07/27/90)
Date: 07-22-90 (17:28) Number: 3563 To: DOUGLAS BURKETT Refer#: 3519 From: HANS PIERROT Read: NO Subj: Z80 FORTH KERNAL Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE >Does anyone know of PD or shareware implementation of FORTH or a >similar language for the Z80. I don't mean CP/M. I am working Douglas there are a number of PD forth assembler listings advertised in Forth Dimensions. I got the one for the Apple II years ago. They also have ones for the 8080 and the Z80 I don't think they depend on CP/M or any other operating system. You will also need the FIG-Forth installation manual. These should form a basis for writing a Forth for a Z80. Hope this helps. Hans. --- * Via ProDoor 3.0 NET/Mail : Australian Connection Forth Board (Melbourne) 61 3 8091787 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: uunet!willett!dwp or willett!dwp@hobbes.cert.sei.cmu.edu
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Date: 08-08-90 (11:29) Number: 624 (Echo) To: ALL Refer#: NONE From: ROB STEELE Read: (N/A) Subj: FORTH FOR 68K BOARD Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Would someone point me to a Forth I could put on a homebrew 68k board? Thanks. sn ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: uunet!willett!dwp or dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us
hawley@adobe.COM (Steve Hawley) (08/11/90)
In article <1487.UUL1.3#5129@willett.pgh.pa.us> ForthNet@willett.pgh.pa.us (ForthNet articles from GEnie) writes: > > Date: 08-08-90 (11:29) Number: 624 (Echo) > To: ALL Refer#: NONE > From: ROB STEELE Read: (N/A) > Subj: FORTH FOR 68K BOARD Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE > > Would someone point me to a Forth I could put on a homebrew 68k board? > Thanks. > sn Yes. I have a Beta Release version of FORTH that I did about 9 months ago that should be available via anonymous ftp from flash.bellcore.com (sorry, I don't know the numbers), in the directory pub/steveforth. There is one file called steveforth.hqx which is a Macintosh BinHex file of a Stuffit archive. The archive contains SteveFORTH, documentation in MS Word format (version 3.0 & 4.0), and source code. SteveForth runs on a Macintosh, but the kernel is 68000 portable. To port it, you must do a few things: write some bootstrapping code to allocate space for the operand stack and the dictionary, copy the kernel dictionary into RAM (it won't run in ROM without some heavy mods), install some vectors set up some registers and jump to a boot vector. write some system calls that are needed. These do some memory management stuff, keyboard & file IO, and other goodies. In particular, I didn't use # and #s in the kernal (in fact, they're not implemented). I added general stream i/o to the language, which I thought was a nifty thing to do. The kernel dictionary is 4k of assembly language, and if you wish, you can lift it straight out of the Mac executable by copying the DICT resource with ResEdit. In theory, by just implementing the system call protocol and the bootstrap code you need to do no more work. Good news: this FORTH compiles to 68000 assembly language (ie, it's JSR threaded), so it runs like a bat out of hell. It allows macro exansion. The dictionary is fully relocatable. Implements stream IO. It's free. Bad news: Dictionary addressing is done by using the positive half of a 16 bit displacement from a base register. This means only 16K for the dictionary. If you have total control over your address space, you could make the addressing work from a fixed address and use a 32 bit index into your code. This changes a LOT of things. You could also redo this in a multiple dictionary model. The reason I modelled the code this way was to fit into the Macintosh architecture. I wrote the "operating system" for the language in C, and treated the dictionary and stack as relocatable objects, so they could be moved at will. The power of this is that I could load or unload the FORTH environment anytime I needed. This is really convenient for things like a user extensible spread sheet or word processor, because you can provide the user with a means of defining whatever functionality they need with low overhead in code size and execution time, and when it isn't being used, it gets treated like any other Macintosh relocatable memory object. The final bit of bad news is that I do not provide source for the the IO libraries (I wrote my own version of stdio for this, and am very reluctant to part with it), although there is source for the "operating system" and bootstrap code. Use it if you like it. If you keep it, drop me a note so I know that you're using it (I want to keep track in case I ever have the time to revamp it). If you really MUST give it away, have the receiver send me a note as well. I've had several things I've written get handed out ad nauseum, and had my name somehow magically disappear from the distribution. I'm not too keen on this. Steve Hawley hawley@adobe.com -- "Break out the cameras that reshape my face and get someone to carve up my head" -Alcatraz, "God Blessed Video"
ForthNet@willett.pgh.pa.us (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (08/15/90)
Category 1, Topic 7 Message 39 Tue Aug 14, 1990 D.KAGEFF at 00:15 EDT CAN someone tell me where I can find the assembly source code for a Z-80 or Hitachi 64180 public domain FORTH system (in a file) ? Thanks, D. KAGEFF ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: uunet!willett!dwp or dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us
ForthNet@willett.pgh.pa.us (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (08/16/90)
Category 1, Topic 7
Message 40 Wed Aug 15, 1990
D.RUFFER [Dennis] at 00:40 EDT
[If anyone wants any of the files mentioned in this message, drop me a note
at one of the addresses at the end of this message. Please send the two-line
description so that I know which file(s) you want. I send all binary
files UUENCODED and split into parts small enough to make it through most
mail systems. -dwp]
Please type NAME at the BB prompt to let us know what your first name is. (I
really hate using last names. :-)
You can search the library for Z-80, or 8080 or CP/M and I'm sure you'll find
something interesting, but here is a couple that I was able to locate just
from their names:
No. File Name Type Address YYMMDD Bytes Accesses Lib
1635 MM20.ARC X L Collins 890318 63000 12 4
KEEP Desc: CP/M 80 MM Forth 020
1130 F838080.ARC X GARY-S 880812 161280 37 4
KEEP Desc: L & P F83 for CP/M
701 UNI4TH80.ARC X UNIFIED.ECFB 870926 118440 29 4
KEEP Desc: Z80 CP/M Uniforth
But then, I don't believe either of those contain an assembly language
listing. The only other place that I might suggest looking is in the FIG Mail
Order Catalog. We still carry the original FIG Forth Assembly listing for $15
each. The 8080 is number 517 and the Z80 is number 528. I'd also recommend
the Installation Manual for another $15. It is catalog number 502. You can
order them by calling (408) 277-0668.
DaR
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Date: 09-15-90 (02:23) Number: 3795 (Echo)
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: JEFFERY WOOD Read: (N/A)
Subj: QUESTION: Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
OK, oh so long ago I bought a FORTH cartridge for my VIC-20 (don't
laugh, it's paid for). I still haven't learned FORTH but now my
programmer instincts are getting itchy, so I bought the book STARTING
FORTH by Leo Brody (at least I think that's what the book was called).
I can't find the book so until I do I need a few simple questions
answered. What was the name of the FORTH he was using to teach in his
book? Where do I get it and what systems is it available for. I have
my VIC-20, an Apple //+ and I have occasional access to an IBM
compatible. Obviously it would be best if I could get it in the first
two of the systems I list. The FORTH I do have (for my VIC) is an older
one than what the book states (again, I don't have the book handy so I
cannot be more specific). Also, there are so many different FORTH
versions out there how can I find out about them without d/l all of them
(which is expensive on Compuserve)? I would sure appreciate it if any
of you experts could give this beginner a hand. Also if there are any
additional books that would make learning the language easier it would
be great if you could tell me what they are. Thanks in advance.
Jeffery
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Date: 09-18-90 (13:07) Number: 3796 (Echo)
To: JEFFERY WOOD Refer#: 3795
From: PETE KOZIAR Read: NO
Subj: FORTHS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Actually, it's a little bit more complicated, in that I think Brodie
switched FORTHs between editions. The first edition uses FORTH-79 (the
Fig-FORTH model), and the second edition uses the FORTH-83 model.
They're pretty close; the major differences a new programmer would see
are:
1. Truth has the value of 1 in FORTH-79, and -1 in FORTH-83.
2. Empty loops work different -- the infamous 0 0 DO. I have never
used FORTH-79, but I believe 0 0 DO executed 0 times, and I
know it executes 65536 times in FORTH-83.
A good, public-domain FORTH-83 is F83 for the IBM PC (otherwise known
as Laxon/Perry F83 after its authors). I don't know what's out there
for the VIC-20.
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Date: 09-18-90 (20:28) Number: 3798 (Echo) To: PETE KOZIAR Refer#: 3796 From: STEVE PALINCSAR Read: NO Subj: FORTHS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE In a 79 Standard Forth, 0 0 DO executes once. ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: uunet!willett!dwp or dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us
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Category 1, Topic 7 Message 45 Wed Sep 19, 1990 D.RUFFER [Dennis] at 21:37 EDT Re: JEFFERY WOOD > What was the name of the FORTH he was using to teach in his book? > Where do I get it and what systems is it available for. Actually, the first edition of "Starting Forth" was written under contract to FORTH, Inc. and covers polyFORTH fairly well (which is close to Forth-79 I guess). In the second edition, Leo added more stuff on Forth 83 standard systems and cleaned up some of the later chapters. Unfortunately, I don't know of anything better than a '79 std. system for the VIC, but both Apple and IBM have '83 std. systems here in the Libraries. As for figuring out what the Library files do, on GEnie we have long descriptions that give more information, but the PC Board systems only have a short description. I don't think we have a concise review of all of them around, so pick a couple and start with them. DaR ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: uunet!willett!dwp or dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us
ForthNet@willett.pgh.pa.us (ForthNet articles from GEnie) (09/21/90)
Date: 09-18-90 (23:07) Number: 3800 (Echo) To: JEFFERY WO"a Refer#: 3795 From: JERRY SHIFRIN Read: NO Subj: QUESTION: Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE JW>answered. What was the name of the FORTH he was using to teach in his JW>book? Where do I get it and what systems is it available for. I have JW>my VIC-20, an Apple //+ and I have occasional access to an IBM Reasonable Forths are available for the Apple series. I'd suggest you contact one of the Apple user groups. You should be able to find some version of figForth or one of the more modern implementations. I can't see putting much effort into a VIC-20 implementation though I'm sure they exist somewhere. Of course, if you work in an MS/DOS environment, there are dozens of free Forths available. Starting Forth is an excellent book for learning this stuff, but you ultimately have to dig into the innards of your implementation. --- ~ EZ 1.32 ~ ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us or uunet!willett!dwp
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Date: 09-17-90 (18:55) Number: 1690 (Echo) To: ALL Refer#: NONE From: ROSS PRATT Read: (N/A) Subj: Z80 FORTH Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE I need a ROMable forth for the Z-80. Can anyone help? Maybe it's here somewhere, but I haven't been able to find it. I have about 6K left above a monitor which must be left intact, but which can be used for I/O. Please reply soon... NET/Mail : British Columbia Forth Board - Burnaby BC - (604)434-5886 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us or uunet!willett!dwp
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> Of course, if you work in an MS/DOS environment, there are dozens > of free Forths available. Can anyone provide a reference to a good comparison of these? I'm also willing to consider "reasonably" priced commercial versions. James
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Date: 10-04-90 (13:37) Number: 3954 (Echo) To: KENNETH O'HESKIN Refer#: NONE From: JACK BROWN Read: 10-04-90 (15:35) Subj: FORTHMACS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE > Could somebody describe what FORTHMACS are, and on > what systems it runs on? Or where a functional description Forthmacs is a Forth system for the Atari ST by Mitch Bradley. Download the file FORTHMAC.ZIP from BCFB and take a look. You will find that the manual is missing. Send money ( about $50 maybe more) to Bradley Forthware PO Box 4444 Mountain View CA 94040 for a printed manual. NET/Mail : British Columbia Forth Board - Burnaby BC - (604)434-5886 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us or uunet!willett!dwp
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Date: 10-07-90 (00:57) Number: 206 (Echo) To: ALL Refer#: NONE From: JACK SANDBERG Read: (N/A) Subj: TRS80 MODEL IV Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Need Forth environment for the Model IV to run either over TRSDOS 6.2.1 (this is the principal DOS) or over CP/M Plus with banks 1&2. Any technical information on how to best use banked system would be apprec. Present work site is in Manchester, Ct. Write c/o Box 328 Manchester, CT 06040-0328 or call voice 203-645-6881. Take messages on Mega-Link BBS at 203-232-9005, 203-232-9063, 203-233-1476 or 203-233-1867 OR on Bruce's Bar & Grill BBS at 203-236-3761. Thanks in advance. Any inquiries will be answered. NET/Mail : RCFB Golden, CO (303) 278-0364 VESTA & Denver FIG for Forth! ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us or uunet!willett!dwp
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Date: 10-08-90 (08:54) Number: 209 (Echo) To: JACK SANDBERG Refer#: 206 From: JACK WOEHR Read: NO Subj: TRS80 MODEL IV Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Jack Sandberg ... MODEL4TH is available from Mountain View Press (MVP) and runs under 6.2.1. =jax= NET/Mail : RCFB Golden, CO (303) 278-0364 VESTA & Denver FIG for Forth! ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us or uunet!willett!dwp
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Date: 10-15-90 (22:29) Number: 4058 (Echo) To: ALL Refer#: NONE From: RICHARD ADAMS Read: (N/A) Subj: HELP Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Does anyone out there know of a subroutine threaded public domain FORTH for MS-DOS computers?? I am writing a 3-d graphics program and I need all the speed I can get. Also, does anyone know of any 3- graphicg I can use or learn from--especially ray tracing programs? Thanks!! NET/Mail : RCFB Golden, CO (303) 278-0364 VESTA & Denver FIG for Forth! ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us or uunet!willett!dwp
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To: ALL Refer#: NONE From: ELLIOTT CHAPIN Read: (N/A) Subj: F83218 (NEAL) Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE I downloaded F83218.ZIP from Rose Media (Toronto) today. It has a small inconvenience I've had to deal with in other versions of F83: the system does not look for UTILITY.BLK in the default subdirectory. Advice I've received here and elsewhere suggests that this should be easy to fix. Anyone want to pass this to the author (Mr. Neal, address unknown)? Elliott Chapin --- ~ DeLuxe} #4315 ~ PCRelay:CRS -> RelayNet (tm) NET/Mail : DC Information Exchange, MetroLink Int'l Hub. (202)433-6639 ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us or uunet!willett!dwp
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Date: 11-25-90 (01:07) Number: 282 of 293 (Echo)
To: RAY DUNCAN Refer#: 274
From: JACK WOEHR Read: NO
Subj: DSP FORTHS Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Conf: FORTH (58) Read Type: GENERAL (+)
-> Forth Inc. sells one, and I've seen a Forth for the AT&T DSP chip
MicroK Systems sells Forth for AT&T DSP16 ... MicroK Customer
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Date: 12-10-90 (23:15) Number: 502 of 514 To: ALL Refer#: NONE From: THOMAS MCWILLIAMS Read: (N/A) Subj: SMALL FORTH Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: FORTH (58) Read Type: GENERAL (+) Can anyone recommend a version of FORTH that is good for writing small TURN-KEY programs, i.e. utilities and such? There seem to be many FORTHs for learning the language, or big packages but I am interested in producing .com and .exe type programs that are independant of the development enviroment. Any suggestions? PCRelay:TJHSST -> #205 RelayNet (tm) 4.10 TechNet @ TJHSST - Alexandria, Virginia <<<>>> ----- This message came from GEnie via willett through a semi-automated process. Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us or uunet!willett!dwp
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Category 1, Topic 7 Message 67 Mon Dec 24, 1990 D.RUFFER [Dennis] at 12:25 EST Re: junkwaf@polari.UUCP (Kjell Godo) > Which Forth Should I Buy? I have never used Forth Before. If you never used Forth at all, I'd highly recommend Tom Zimmer's F- PC that is available just about everywhere for the cost of the download. There is many references souces available here also and hardbound manuals available from the Forth Interest Group (408) 277- 0668. Get to know what Forth can do, then consider moving up to one of the vendor supported systems. For a PC running MS-DOS, there are quite a few versions available, both public domain and vendor. All have their good and bad points. > Smalltalk compiler on top of Forth Fabulous! I'd really be interested in what you can do with it. Good Luck! DaR ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You cannot Reply to the author using email. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, whatever). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us or uunet!willett!dwp
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Date: 12-27-90 (16:18) Number: 699 of 705 To: DENNIS RUFFER Refer#: NONE From: IAN WATTERS Read: NO Subj: SELECTING A PUBLIC DOMAIN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: FORTH (58) Read Type: GENERAL (+) DR] ^If you never used Forth at all, I'd highly recommend Tom Zimmer's ] ^F-PC that is available just about everywhere for the cost of the d/l... If he's never used Forth at all, F-PC is one of the systems I *wouldn't* recommend. Sure, it's a magnificent piece of work, but IMHO it's almost impossible to understand without large quantities of paracetamol to hand. Suggest something simpler? In fact, several simpler systems so he can compare and contrast a range of implementation techniques... //\/\/ --- ~ SLMR 1.05 #109 ~ Should be read umop apisdn for best results PCRelay:OLEF -> #181 RelayNet (tm) 4.10a15 The Node is OLEF, HUB is HUBOLEF1 in the UK <<<>>> ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You cannot Reply to the author using email. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, whatever). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us or uunet!willett!dwp
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Date: 02-05-91 (09:05) Number: 1032 of 1033 (Echo) To: RAY DUNCAN Refer#: NONE From: ROBERT KOSINSKI Read: 02-05-91 (18:31) Subj: COMMENT Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: FORTH (58) Read Type: GENERAL (+) I HAVE AN AMIGA 500 AND AM LOOKING FOR FORTH FOR IT. DO YOU KNOW OF A VERSION AVAILABLE. NET/Mail : LMI Forth Board, Los Angeles, CA (213) 306-3530 <<<>>> ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You cannot Reply to the author using email. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, whatever). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us or uunet!willett!dwp
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Date: 02-07-91 (08:24) Number: 1069 of 1069 (Echo)
To: ROBERT KOSINSKI Refer#: 1032
From: JACK WOEHR Read: NO
Subj: EARNESTLY SEEKING FORTH Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Conf: FORTH (58) Read Type: GENERAL (+)
-> I HAVE AN AMIGA 500 AND AM LOOKING FOR FORTH FOR IT. DO YOU KNOW OF
-> A VERSION AVAILABLE.
JForth from Delta Research ... available most Amiga stores
MultiForth from Creative Solutions ... now somewhat rarer.
A4TH1.5 ... downloadable from BBSes like mine (tagline below).
MVPForth ... Fish Disk #9.
=jax=
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Date: 02-21-91 (09:32) Number: 1275 of 1275 (Echo)
To: GARY SMITH Refer#: 1254
From: RAY DUNCAN Read: NO
Subj: SELECTING A PUBLIC DOMAIN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Conf: FORTH (58) Read Type: GENERAL (+)
>is there somewhere a Forth for the 80C196 around
LMI and Vesta Technologies sell ROMable Forth systems for the 809x and
80C196 processors. I haven't heard of any public domain Forths for
these chips.
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Date: 03-07-91 (13:06) Number: 1454 of 1463 (Echo)
To: ALL Refer#: NONE
From: BILL TEEGARDEN Read: HAS REPLIES
Subj: DRUMA FORTH-83 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Conf: FORTH (58) Read Type: GENERAL (+)
I recently received a flyer from Druma Inc. purporting to be marketing a
FORTH called DRUMA FORTH-83. It's supposed to be a 80286 based Forth
system with a 83 standard base, but is not limited to 64k memory
boundaries.
Being the cautious type, I thought I might ask the people who know Forth
best if you have heard of this product, and is it all it's cracked up to
be?
BILL TEEGARDEN --- DORON PRECISION SYSTEMS, INC.
BINGHAMTON, NEW YORK
P.S. - Am I the only Forth programmer on the East Coast?
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Date: 03-07-91 (17:45) Number: 1456 of 1463 (Echo) To: BILL TEEGARDEN Refer#: NONE From: RAY DUNCAN Read: NO Subj: DRUMA FORTH-83 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: FORTH (58) Read Type: GENERAL (+) I've been seeing DRUMA ads for a couple of years. I've never talked to anybody that has their system, but they must be doing something right to have lasted this long. NET/Mail : LMI Forth Board, Los Angeles, CA (213) 306-3530 <<<>>> ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You *cannot* reply to the author using e-mail. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, etc.). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us _or_ uunet!willett!dwp
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Date: 06-03-91 (19:51) Number: 98 of 98 To: ALL Refer#: NONE From: JAMES AVIANI Read: (N/A) Subj: FORTH FOR TMS320 Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Conf: FORTH (58) Read Type: GENERAL (+) Hi, I'm looking for a TMS320 Forth. I've heard of -- but not seen -- one. Could someone give me a pointer or two? Thanks in advance, James NET/Mail : RCFB Golden, CO (303) 278-0364 VESTA & Denver FIG for Forth! <<<>>> ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You *cannot* reply to the author using e-mail. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, etc.). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us _or_ uunet!willett!dwp
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Category 1, Topic 7 Message 93 Thu Jun 13, 1991 B.SUTTON1 [Brian] at 19:01 EDT I've just started using Baden's F83s and am in the process of converting my cp/m accounting package over to my new 386. I grabbed F83s because of the separated heads allowing me more space for the dictionary. I'm hoping to eliminate some of the overlays I presently must use (about 20). I've seen numerous references expounding the virtues of F-PC here. Is this something I should take a hard look at? I mean, does it allow a LARGE dictionary space, or would I wind up cutting out a lot of the extra features in order to fit my programming in? I've already coded in things like color and mouse support to my F83s (not knowing if it was already done somewhere else). What do y'all think? ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You *cannot* reply to the author using e-mail. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, etc.). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us _or_ uunet!willett!dwp
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Category 1, Topic 7
Message 94 Thu Jun 13, 1991
D.RUFFER [Dennis] at 22:13 EDT
Brian, it all depends on how many times you want to re-write it. ;)
Wil's F83X is a few years old now. Since F-PC is newer, it has features that
have only come along recently (i.e. pull down menus, hypertext, segmented
architecture, etc.). Wil's system, I think, only pulls the names out, but F-
PC does a few other "tricks" with the segments as well. I know it has color
support and graphics, and I think I've seen mouse support for it also (i.e.
what you've done with F83X may not be needed in F-PC).
On the other hand, ANS Forth is also looming on the horizon. You might be
able to do your own upgrades to something like Martin's ZEN so that it fit
your needs. That way, when more powerful ANS Forth's come along, a good
portion of your application could be ported with little effort (a theory that
is yet to be proven BTW).
How's that for some wishy-washy thinking?
<grin> {B-{)> DaR
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Category 1, Topic 7 Message 95 Fri Jun 14, 1991 B.SUTTON1 [Brian] at 22:09 EDT Dennis, I just downloaded F-PC. I am impressed! It's gonna be hard to go back to rudimentary FORTH kernels I think. ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You *cannot* reply to the author using e-mail. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, etc.). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us _or_ uunet!willett!dwp
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Message 96 Sun Jun 16, 1991
D.RUFFER [Dennis] at 01:18 EDT
Yes Brian, I think F-PC epitomizes what Wil Baden has called "Garbage Pail"
Forth, after the kind of pizza with everything on it. Not that the moniker
should be taken as being bad, but I don't even have enough room on my hard
disk for the thing and I guess I'm just jealous of those who do. ;)
F-PC _is_ large, but I think it is also very complete. If I didn't already
have enough to do and I was looking for a Forth that would satisfy my appetite
for features, F-PC would be _my_ choice.
{B-{)> DaR
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Date: 06-14-91 (08:12) Number: 151 of 162 (Echo)
To: B.SUTTON1 [BRIAN] Refer#: 146
From: JACK WOEHR Read: NO
Subj: SELECTING A PUBLIC DOMAIN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Conf: FORTH (58) Read Type: GENERAL (+)
-> I've just started using Baden's F83s and am in the process of
-> converting my cp/m accounting package over to my new 386. I grabbed
-> F83s because of the separated heads allowing me more space for the
-> dictionary. I'm hoping to eliminate some of the overlays I presently
-> must use (about 20).
Brian ...
I'm still using F83S also for commerical applications! But
if memory and overlays are the problem, you might look at Harvard
Softworks GigaForth for the 286/386 which offers a flat memory
model limited only by installed memory.
=jax=
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Category 1, Topic 7 Message 98 Sun Jun 16, 1991 B.SUTTON1 [Brian] at 20:24 EDT to: =jax= re: F83s memory space I suspect that memory won't be a problem with the separated heads, though I haven't compiled enough yet to know that for sure. I had been using the standard F83 for a duplication of what I had on cp/m. I was just wondering, before making any large-scale implementations in F83s (reworking what I have at the moment), if I would just wind up converting over to a later version (i.e., F-PC) just before I had it working smoothly. (Similar things have happened in the past, now and then) ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You *cannot* reply to the author using e-mail. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, etc.). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us _or_ uunet!willett!dwp
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Date: 06-16-91 (10:27) Number: 190 of 190 (Echo)
To: DENNIS RUFFER Refer#: 164
From: JACK WOEHR Read: NO
Subj: SELECTING A PUBLIC DOMAIN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Conf: FORTH (58) Read Type: GENERAL (+)
-> F-PC _is_ large, but I think it is also very complete. If I didn't
-> already have enough to do and I was looking for a Forth that would
-> satisfy my appetite for features, F-PC would be _my_ choice.
I couldn't agree with you more, Dennis! Whatever purists may
think, Zimmer &co. knew what the _user_ wanted, and remember, in a
healthy programming community, the users are going to outnumber the
gurus by 20 to one at least.
=jax=
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Date: 06-17-91 (08:33) Number: 195 of 196 (Echo)
To: B.SUTTON1 [BRIAN] Refer#: 180
From: JACK WOEHR Read: NO
Subj: SELECTING A PUBLIC DOMAIN Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Conf: FORTH (58) Read Type: GENERAL (+)
-> I was just wondering, before making any large-scale implementations
-> in F83s (reworking what I have at the moment), if I would just wind
-> up converting over to a later version (i.e., F-PC) just before I had
-> it working smoothly.
Well, if you want the system that will provide you the most
"headroom" in terms of future revisions, go with F-PC. F83S is not
likely to be updated again, F-PC is a "live product".
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Category 1, Topic 7 Message 101 Thu Jun 27, 1991 B.SUTTON1 [Brian] at 18:10 EDT > ...go with F-PC. F83S is not likely to be updated again, > F-PC is a "live product". Gotcha. I've sent in my order for the latest updates, etc. Thanks! ----- This message came from GEnie via willett. You *cannot* reply to the author using e-mail. Please post a follow-up article, or use any instructions the author may have included (USMail addresses, telephone #, etc.). Report problems to: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us _or_ uunet!willett!dwp