zogg@ethz.UUCP (Andreas Zogg) (10/10/88)
I want to prototype distributed systems in Smalltalk-80. Has anyone experience with ParcPlace Smalltalk for the Mac SE and Mac II. I'm not sure whether the performance is sufficient for convienient working. It is possible to easily transfer code written on a Mac to the SUN implementation of ParcPlace Smalltalk? Andreas Zogg, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, CH-8092 Zuerich zogg@ethz.uucp, ..!mcvax!ethz!zogg, zogg@ifi.ethz.ch
georg@unido.uucp (Georg Heeg) (10/18/88)
In article <643@ethz.UUCP> zogg@bernina.UUCP (Andreas Zogg) writes: >I want to prototype distributed systems in Smalltalk-80. Has anyone >experience with ParcPlace Smalltalk for the Mac SE and Mac II. >I'm not sure whether the performance is sufficient for convienient >working. On a Mac SE the performance is at the lowest point of acceptance: 33 % of a Dorado. On a Mac II you get 102 % which is perfectly good and more than a sun 3-50. But personally I definately prefer more-than-one-button mice... >It is possible to easily transfer code written on a Mac to the SUN >implementation of ParcPlace Smalltalk? Both versions are image identical. Use kermit, xmodem or IP to transfer the image. This is true for version 2.3, available now, not for 2.2 where minor changes were needed for the file system differences. Georg Heeg, ParcPlace Distributor for West Germany, Switzerland, Austria and BeNeLux Baroper Str. 337 D-4600 Dortmund 50 phone: (x 49-2 31) 75 13 26
dorourke@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (David M. O'Rourke) (10/22/88)
>In article <643@ethz.UUCP> zogg@bernina.UUCP (Andreas Zogg) writes: >>I want to prototype distributed systems in Smalltalk-80. Has anyone >>experience with ParcPlace Smalltalk for the Mac SE and Mac II. >>I'm not sure whether the performance is sufficient for convienient >>working. I know next to nothing about Smalltalk, but............. I had dinner with a guy who's developing a Smalltalk/Nu-Bus board for the Mac II, he claim's it runs SmallTalk 4 times faster than a Sun 4. He says: They're working with Alan Kay, and apple should release the board under the Apple Name something next year for about 5-6000 dollars. If you want to know who it is he says it's the same processor that they have out for the dreaded PC, and Apple approached him to put it on NuBus. That's all I know, but I'm sure I'll learn more when the boards released. He claims it will be the first "fast" SmallTalk machine for under 16,000 dollars. -- David M. O'Rourke dorourke@polyslo.calpoly.edu "If it doesn't do Windows, then it's not a computer!!!" Disclaimer: I don't represent the school. All opinions are mine!
jans@tekgvs.GVS.TEK.COM (Jan Steinman) (10/26/88)
<...He claims it will be the first "fast" SmallTalk machine for under 16,000 dollars...> Well, I don't believe anything else he says then, either! Reconditioned Tek 4406 machines have been advertised recently in card decks for $7995. Not only do you get a Dorado-class Smalltalk-80 V2 superset, you get Unix and X windows! <...I had dinner with a guy who's developing a Smalltalk/Nu-Bus board for the Mac II... I'm sure I'll learn more when the boards released...> Or you can order the Tek 88000-based Mac II plug-in today! Stamp out vaporware! :::::: Software Productivity Technologies -- Experiment Manager Project :::::: :::::: Jan Steinman N7JDB Box 500, MS 50-383 (w)503/627-5881 :::::: :::::: jans@tekcrl.TEK.COM Beaverton, OR 97077 (h)503/657-7703 ::::::
sdl@linus.UUCP (Steven D. Litvintchouk) (10/30/88)
In article <4136@tekgvs.GVS.TEK.COM> jans@tekgvs.GVS.TEK.COM (Jan Steinman) writes: > Or you can order the Tek 88000-based Mac II plug-in today! Stamp out > vaporware! I never heard of this plugin board. Can someone supply any details? Steven Litvintchouk MITRE Corporation Burlington Road Bedford, MA 01730 Fone: (617)271-7753 ARPA: sdl@mitre-bedford.arpa UUCP: ...{cbosgd,decvax,genrad,ll-xn,mit-eddie,philabs,utzoo}!linus!sdl "Those who will be able to conquer software will be able to conquer the world." -- Tadahiro Sekimoto, president, NEC Corp.
jans@tekgvs.GVS.TEK.COM (Jan Steinman) (11/02/88)
<<jans@tekgvs.GVS.TEK.COM (Jan Steinman)>> <sdl@linus.UUCP (Steven D. Litvintchouk)> "excepts from November 1, 1988 Computer Design" <<Or you can order the Tek 88000-based Mac II plug-in today! Stamp out vaporware!>> <I never heard of this plugin board. Can someone supply any details?> Well, twist my arm. In deference to netiquette, I'll only write a few excerpts from the article, which you can read for yourself for more information. I am not a member of the group who made this product, and my knowledge of it is mostly limited to what is in the article. "...The Tektronix TL88K-P Development Board lets users write applications for Motorola's 88100 RISC chip prior to that chip's market availability..." "The development board includes the 88100 processor chip set, three cache memory management units, and 8 Mbytes of memory. The 20MHz tool plugs into the NuBus on the Mac II and benchmarks at 17 MIPS, or 34 kDhrystones and 6 MFlops..." "... the Macintosh and Motorola processors can share information and workload, with the more intensive portions of a program running on the RISC chip... dual-processor applications can be programmed under the Macintosh's Programmer's Workshop, which is built out of standard Mac II toolbox routines." "... software tools include a set of four full libraries of code used for applications development..." "A variety of sample programs guide developers... A fully configured TL88K-P Development Board is priced at $14,995, with lower-priced configurations available from $10,995." Do not contact me, contact Tektronix Advance Technologies, PO Box 500, Beaverton, OR 97077. :::::: Software Productivity Technologies -- Experiment Manager Project :::::: :::::: Jan Steinman N7JDB Box 500, MS 50-383 (w)503/627-5881 :::::: :::::: jans@tekcrl.TEK.COM Beaverton, OR 97077 (h)503/657-7703 ::::::
mfi@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Mark Interrante) (11/03/88)
In article <4191@tekgvs.GVS.TEK.COM> jans@tekgvs.GVS.TEK.COM (Jan Steinman) writes: ><<jans@tekgvs.GVS.TEK.COM (Jan Steinman)>> ><sdl@linus.UUCP (Steven D. Litvintchouk)> ><<Or you can order the Tek 88000-based Mac II plug-in today! ... >with the more intensive portions of a program running on the RISC chip... >dual-processor applications can be programmed under the Macintosh's >Programmer's Workshop, which is built out of standard Mac II toolbox routines." >... >"... software tools include a set of four full libraries of code used for >applications development..." I think I read in one of the rags that the 88000 board was being pushed by apple to the developers. The idea was to give developers some idea of how future products *might* work. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Interrante Software Engineering Research Center mfi@beach.cis.ufl.edu CIS Department, University of Florida 32611 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "X is just raster-op on wheels" - Bill Joy