gleicher@duke.UUCP (04/07/87)
What happened to little smalltalk? I haven't heard anything about it in a long time. Where can I get a copy of the most current version (what is the most current version)? Thanks, Michael Lee Gleicher (-: If it looks like I'm wandering Duke University (-: around like I'm lost . . . E-Mail: gleicher@duke.(edu|uucp|csnet) (-: Or P.O.B. 5899 D.S., Durham, NC 27706 (-: It's because I am!
dave@safari.UUCP (dave munroe) (04/17/87)
> What happened to little smalltalk? I haven't heard anything about it > in a long time. > > Where can I get a copy of the most current version (what is the most > current version)? Little Smalltalk is available from Oregon State University. Software is distributed on 9-track tape in tar format, 1600bpi. A charge of $25 is made to cover the cost of mailing and handling. From them you can get: Little Smalltalk Aplc - an APL compiler (compiles to C) Bib - bibliographic DBMS tools Each item above is $5 (added to the one-time $25 charge). You can write to: Software Distribution Department of Computer Science Oregon State University Corvallis, Oregon 97331 (you might also want to try: ...!ihnp4!tektronix!orstcs!budd) -dave
robert@pvab.UUCP (Robert Claeson) (09/09/87)
Where can I get the Little Smalltalk interpreter? Thanks, Robert -- Robert Claeson, System Administrator, PVAB, Box 4040, S-171 04 Solna, Sweden eunet: robert@pvab uucp: sun!enea!pvab!robert
franka@mmintl.UUCP (Frank Adams) (05/20/88)
I have seen several references to Little Smalltalk in this group over the last few months; unfortunately, I didn't save any of them. I have now decided that I am interested in it. Would someone please mail me the information necessary to acquire it? Thanks in advance. -- Frank Adams ihnp4!philabs!pwa-b!mmintl!franka Ashton-Tate 52 Oakland Ave North E. Hartford, CT 06108
jfh@rpp386.UUCP (John F. Haugh II) (05/26/88)
In article <2857@mmintl.UUCP> franka@mmintl.UUCP (Frank Adams) writes: >I have seen several references to Little Smalltalk in this group over the >last few months; unfortunately, I didn't save any of them. I have now >decided that I am interested in it. Would someone please mail me the >information necessary to acquire it? > >Thanks in advance. i have the sources, what i want are useful examples of how to use this sucker. i am a C programmer with a systems bent and don't play with AI or 4th Generation toys very much. as for getting them, look in comp.sources.wanted, i post the instructions there every 2 or 3 weeks. all i want is something that will do something and is written in Little SmallTalk. - john. -- John F. Haugh II | "You see, I want a lot. Perhaps I want every River Parishes Programming | -thing. The darkness that comes with every UUCP: ihnp4!killer!rpp386!jfh | infinite fall and the shivering blaze of SMART MAIL: jfh@rpp386.uucp | every step up ..." -- Rainer Maria Rilke
johnson@uiucdcsp.cs.uiuc.edu (05/27/88)
The book "A Little Smalltalk" by Timothy Budd (published by Addison Wesley) should probably be acquired by anybody who really wants to use Little Smalltalk. It is paperback (so shouldn't be too expensive) and has lots of examples of how to use the system, as well as documentation on the implementation.
lypowy@calgary.UUCP (grepo) (05/27/88)
In article <2080@rpp386.UUCP>, jfh@rpp386.UUCP (John F. Haugh II) writes: > all i want is something that will do something and is written in Little > SmallTalk. > I recently acquired (through the Fred Fish Public Domain Network) the Amiga version of Little Smalltalk. Included on the disk were no less than 20 examples programs. If anyone is interested, leave me E-mail and I will send them on to you. Greg. P.S. Does anyone know of a newer version of Little Smalltalk for the Amiga??
andyc@omepd (T. Andrew Crump) (06/08/88)
Where can I get ahold of Little SmallTalk? -- Andy Crump ...!tektronix!ogcvax!inteloa!andyc
tmg@nyit.UUCP (Tom Genereaux) (06/15/88)
It's available on CIS in the UNIXFORUM download area. Also probably available from UUNet or one of the other comp.sources archive sites. Tom G.
occam@vmucnam.UUCP (occam) (11/23/88)
Does anybody know of an implementation of "Little Smalltalk" for UNIX Microport sys.V (286) R.Laurens C.N.A.M. Paris
wlp@calmasd.GE.COM (Walter L. Peterson, Jr.) (11/30/88)
In article <561@vmucnam.UUCP>, occam@vmucnam.UUCP (occam) writes: > > Does anybody know of an implementation of "Little Smalltalk" for > UNIX Microport sys.V (286) > The C source code for "Little Smalltalk" was posted to the comp.sources.unix group about 6 - 8 months ago. I have been able port it successfully to VAX/VMS, MS-DOS, and Sun's UNIX (Sys.V) with very few, if any changes (mostly changes in the "make" file). -- Walt Peterson GE-Calma San Diego R&D (Object and Data Management Group) "The opinions expressed here are my own and do not necessarily reflect those GE, GE-Calma nor anyone else. ...{ucbvax|decvax}!sdcsvax!calmasd!wlp wlp@calmasd.GE.COM
kebsch@nixpbe.UUCP (12/03/88)
In article <561@vmucnam.UUCP>, accam@vmucnam.UUCP (occam) writes: > Does anybody know of an implementation of "Little Smalltalk" for > UNIX Microport sys.V (286) > Hi, send me a disk 5.25" and I'll mail it back to you, containing the original and the portet sources. My Microport System V/AT Release is 2.2 (private engine). Waldemar (dk3vn) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- UUCP: USA: uunet!linus!nixbur!kebsch.pad UUCP: !USA: mcvax!unido!nixpbe!kebsch.pad UUCP: (however): kebsch.pad@nixpbe.UUCP NERV ........: kebsch.pad Papermail ...: Waldemar Kebsch, Nixdorf Computer AG, Entwicklungstechnik, Pontanusstr. 55, D-4790 Paderborn, W-Germany Phone .......: [nation]-5251-14-6155
mcorlett@ibmpcug.co.uk (M A Corlett) (03/27/90)
I've just obtained a copy of the Little Smalltalk system, which I hope to discover aa bit about Smalltalk from. Does anyone know if there is a book assocaited with this? All I can find in the sources is the address of the Author, being Professor Tim Budd Department of Computer Science Oregon State University Can somebody give me an email address? Thanks, in advance Mike Corlett (mcorlett@ibmpcug.co.uk, +44 582 715761) -- Automatic Disclaimer: The views expressed above are those of the author alone and may not represent the views of the IBM PC User Group. --
fox@cycvax.nscl.msu.edu (06/13/90)
I wonder if someone could E-Mail me information on the availability of Little Smalltalk. Thanks, Ron Ron Fox | FOX@MSUNSCL.BITNET | Where the name NSCL | FOX@CYCVAX.NSCL.MSU.EDU | goes on before Michigan State University | MSUHEP::CYCVAX::FOX | the quality East Lansing, MI 48824-1321 | | goes in. USA
rosalia@max.physics.sunysb.edu (Mark Galassi) (06/14/90)
In article <1990Jun13.114138.20983@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> fox@cycvax.nscl.msu.edu writes: > > I wonder if someone could E-Mail me information on the availability of >Little Smalltalk. If you do anonymous ftp to a machine at Oregon State University, I believe cs.orst.edu, or cs.oregon-state.edu, or csvax.cc.orst.edu, or some such combination, you will find a directory called "budd", in which Tim Budd keeps all his educational programs. You will find versions 1 2 and 3 of Little Smalltalk. Skip 2, and go to 3, which is far from the book, but begins to be quite useable. I never used version 1, and I used version 2 quite a bit with frustration because it was really just a step on the way to version 3. I wrote quite a bit with version 3 of Little Smalltalk, and found it useable, though I finally started wanting a real Xerox-like smalltalk (smalltalk 80), for several reasons. Now GNU smalltalk is around, and it is an implementation of Smalltalk 80, so you should consider it. -- {These opinions are mine, and should be everybody else's :-)} Mark Galassi rosalia@dirac.physics.sunysb.edu rosalia@mozart.UUCP rosalia@sunysbnp.BITNET
cs9h0dgj@cybaswan.UUCP (dg.jones) (02/07/91)
I have version 3.04 of Tim Budd's Little smalltalk. Does anyone know if there is an updated version, or where I could get it from? As only a beginner in smalltalk, it is pretty good, and it also can run nicely in a 1meg computer. Are there any other pd versions that would run in that sort of size memory? David Jones cs9h0dgj@uk.ac.swan.pyr
rjf@gdwb.oz.au (Rex Foord) (02/15/91)
cs9h0dgj@cybaswan.UUCP (dg.jones) writes: >I have version 3.04 of Tim Budd's Little smalltalk. Does anyone know if there ------------ >is an updated version, or where I could get it from? >David Jones >cs9h0dgj@uk.ac.swan.pyr We are doing smalltalk in our computer course this year. I have v2 of Tim Budd's Little smalltalk. Where did you get your copy of v3.04? Does it run on the IBMPC (I have a 386 machine)? Thanks in advance Rex Foord PC Support Geelong & District Water Board (Aust) rjf@gdwb.oz.au
budd@mist.cs.orst.edu (Tim Budd) (02/28/91)
Here are the facts on Little Smalltalk. You can obtain the source from cs.orst.edu, (anonymous ftp) in one of two forms: * directory /pub/budd/smv1 has version 1, the ``book'' version * directory /pub/budd/smv3 has version 3, a slightly better version. (you may be able to get it from elsewhere as well. It's PD, so anybody is free to redistribute it). Neither has been touched for over a year. When digitalk announced Smalltalk/V for the mac I thought the days of Little Smalltalk were numbered, and when GNU Smalltalk was announced I thought it was dead. Who would want a Smalltalk that was text-oriented (not graphics), relatively slow, and unsupported? Little Smalltalk was created by myself alone, in my spare time when I'm not teaching, or writing books or other things. I would get it working on my machine (usually a Unix system), and leave it to students or others to port it to various other systems (PC's, macs, various other flavors of unixies, etc.) The result was always somewhat slipshod even in the best of times. I never felt too bad about this - after all public domain software is usually worth about what you pay for it. Well, judging from the requests I continue to receive, I may have been premature in thinking that Little Smalltalk was dead. There still seems to be a need for a Smalltalk that is really small enough to be understood easily. I view Little Smalltalk more as a pedagogical tool - a learning experience, and certainly not for any serious development. Anyway, this is a long answer to a short question that wasn't even asked. What is the future of Little Smalltalk? After having done nothing for over a year, I recently purchased a Mac LC for my home use. In those few spare moments when I can get it away from my kids (playing Carmin SanDiego) or my wife (playing tetris), I've been experimenting with improving the mac interface to Little Smalltalk. Please don't send me disks or start asking for the system - at the rate I'm going this may not see the light of day for another six months or so. Nevertheless, eventually there will be a new release that will run both under X and under the Mac which will have a better user interface, will have more support software written in Smalltalk (currently much of the system is in C and not in Smalltalk), and so on. Who knows, if I think there is still a demand for Little Smalltalk I may consider even revising the book! --tim budd, oregon state university, budd@cs.orst.edu
tima@agora.rain.com (Tim Anderson) (03/01/91)
tim budd writes... >Well, judging from the requests I continue to receive, I may have been >premature in thinking that Little Smalltalk was dead. >There still seems to be a need for a Smalltalk that is really small enough >to be understood easily. I view Little Smalltalk more as a pedagogical >tool - a learning experience, and certainly not for any serious development. > ... >--tim budd, oregon state university, budd@cs.orst.edu As a matter of fact, I have just dug up version 3 of Little Smalltalk to play with. It seems that I am doomed to write an editor (I cannot for the life of me find an editor that has unlimited file space, EXTREMELY small command set WITH reasonably designed source code...) and I thought I'd do it in a kind of quasi Smalltalk language. My first order of the day is to disect Little Smalltalk and see how it works! (No comments on your code however, I haven't looked at it yet ;-) ) I have to say that I certainly wouldn't jump into GNU's at all, and I can't currently afford ST/V WIN (after buying ST/V, ST/V OS/2, ST/V 286...) even with Digitalk's wonderful offer. My requirements are basically SMALL SIZE, SMALL SIZE, and SMALL SIZE. Did I mention SMALL SIZE? As much as I love to play with Smalltalk, I don't have a decade to figure out the inner workings of the system (I unfortunately have bills to pay...) and bang out a virtual expandable text editor. I guess my rambling post was just designed to say 'Thanx for the cool toy, dude!' I will be burying myself in your book for then next few weeks to see if I can make heads or tails out of it! I might even try to design a PC front end for the 99.99% of the world that doesn't have X or MAC'S ;-) tima@agora.rain.com
cdb@waikato.ac.nz (Craig D. Beere) (03/13/91)
Tim Budd sez: > ... I thought the days of Little Smalltalk were > numbered, and when GNU Smalltalk was announced I thought it was dead. You're wrong. Here's one dude who wants it to live. > Who would want a Smalltalk that was text-oriented (not graphics), > relatively slow, and unsupported? Someone like me who doesn't own a Mac, Sun, or unix machine, but a humble MS-DOS-running PC clone. I am studying Little Smalltalk for a University project (a sort of mini-thesis) with the aim of implementing multiple inheritance. I would appreciate any comments from anyone who has done similar, or who just knows a bit about the code. /******************************************************************************* ** Craig D. Beere (a.k.a. ++Byron) ** cdb@waikato.ac.nz ** ** "To thine own self be true." [`Hamlet', Shakespeare or Bacon] */