mw06@GTE.COM (Mark Weissman) (02/21/90)
Hello, Is there anyone out there using Allegro Composer or SUN SPE. I need to choose fairly quickly between these or some other lisp development environment running on a SUN sparkstation. I'll be happy to post a summary of responses. Thanks, Mark Weissman weissman@bunny.gte.com
ik@laic.UUCP (Ik Su Yoo) (02/24/90)
> Is there anyone out there using Allegro Composer or SUN SPE. > I need to choose fairly quickly between these or some other > lisp development environment running on a SUN sparkstation. I'll be > happy to post a summary of responses. > > Thanks, > Mark Weissman > weissman@bunny.gte.com I'm not sure what you are asking, but I can summarize my experience with them -- I have used them both before. - Both are almost essential if you use multiple processes. (If you tried debugging two "broken" processes using a single lisp listener, you know what I mean.) - Both gives you window-based debugging and inspecting. - Composer gives you profiling, which keeps track of how much time is spent inside each function. This statistical summary is nicely presented through a tree. I can't recall whether SPE had a similar feature. - Composer has simpler and cleaner user interface than SPE. - Navigation through backtrace was easier using Composer - SPE *seemed* to be more robust and quicker. I have used Composer far more extensively than SPE, so I may be a bit biased towards Composer (although I started using SPE before Composer). Ik
tylman@csli.Stanford.EDU (Galia Tylman) (02/26/90)
In article <793@laic.UUCP> ik@laic.lockheed.com writes: >> Is there anyone out there using Allegro Composer or SUN SPE. >> I need to choose fairly quickly between these or some other >> lisp development environment running on a SUN sparkstation. I'll be >> happy to post a summary of responses. > > - Composer gives you profiling, which keeps track of how much time is > spent inside each function. This statistical summary is nicely presented > through a tree. I can't recall whether SPE had a similar feature. With SUN Common Lisp 4.0 this feature is part of the Delivery Toolkit so I assume when SPE is available on SCL4.0 you will be able to get this information. Galia -- Galia Tylman Internet: tylman@csli.stanford.edu
edt@microsoft.UUCP (Ed THARP) (03/01/90)
In article <8598@bunny.GTE.COM> mw06@GTE.COM (Mark Weissman) writes: >Hello, > > Is there anyone out there using Allegro Composer or SUN SPE. >I need to choose fairly quickly between these or some other >lisp development environment running on a SUN sparkstation. I'll be >happy to post a summary of responses. > >Thanks, >Mark Weissman >weissman@bunny.gte.com I used to work for a company tried SPE. The drawback then was you had to use Sunview and wasn't overly impressive to the ex-Symbolics hackers. We wanted to develop GUIs and preferred X Window System. Then we got Composer and thought it was great. It ran under X and had a reasonable programming environment but wasn't object-orientated. Finally, we hit upon Harlequin's Lispworks after seeing them at IJCAI at Detroit. Lispworks is CLUE based with an excellent development environment. The drawback is that it is a relatively new system and some of the finer points, like extensive documentation, isn't there yet, but I have found them to be very cooperative and willing to incoporate new (your) ideas. I have forgotten their address, but I know Chris Richardson of Harlequin reads this group. All of these development environments are going to have a bit of trouble running in 8 meg. and would prefer at least 16. One final note, my experiences are probably a little dated. New releases occur frequently, so you'll have to check out the latest. Ed Tharp **************************************************************************** * Edward Tharp ...!uunet!microsoft!edt * * * * I have a deal; I don't speak for my company and they don't speak for me. * ****************************************************************************