slg@ukma.UUCP (Sean Gilley) (03/18/86)
In reference to the article that said that the `wall' was refering to
the imaginary fourth wall between the performers and the audience --
Sure, that may be what he meant as a writer, but that doesn't mean
that that's all there is to the movie. It's been a while since I've seen
the movie, but it is ridiculas to say that that meaning is all there is
to it.
I don't remember who directed the movie, but certainly the `Another Brick
In the Wall' scene with the children first becoming all nearly the same,
then falling into a meat grinder can have several different interpretations,
the easiest being just a new versions of the `Little Boxes' theme.
Since it has been so long since I saw the movie, I don't feel competant to
really comment on it, but the `fourth wall' idea did not come over at all
in the film. Perhaps seen on stage it might be different, but I don't
even know if it was done on stage... I didn't see it.
Sean.
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a world that I will fight for, that it might live.barth@tellab1.UUCP (Barth Richards) (03/18/86)
In article <1271@mit-eddie.MIT.EDU> zzz@mit-eddie.MIT.EDU (Mike Konopik) writes: >By the way, Wall fans, I've listened to a tape of a BBC broadcast with an >interview of Roger Waters with respect to The Wall. His explanation of >what it means is WAY off mark from what most people I've discussed it with >imagine. Sorry that I can't remember many of the details, but I do remember >that he said the "wall" was referring to the perceived wall between a band >performing onstage and the audience in the concert hall. Nothing about >anything offstage. Really flipped me out when I heard the "real" meaning. I've heard a lengthy interview with Roger too. (A roommate had it on tape, and I'm still kicking myself for not getting a copy from him.) Roger said it was a lot more than that, though he was certianly not bursting with enthusiasm when it came to explaining himself. >Somehow his explanation doesn't seem to completely cover all the subtle >parts of the album/movie. Certianly not. It seemed somewhat painful for him to talk about. >Either that, or he was intentionally trying to >make the audience think there was some obscure meaning beyond the mundanity >of the real meaning. What's the real meaning? Hard to say for sure, but looking at the album and movie, and considering some of the evidence (i.e. similarities between Roger's life and "Pink's"), one can formulate theories. >You figure it out! Easier said than done! Barth Richards Tellabs, Inc. Lisle, IL
abd1@ur-tut.UUCP ( Al) (03/21/86)
> When Pink Floyd were on their extensive "The Wall" tour (two concerts), > bunches of roadies would actually build an actual wall in front of the band. > By the time the concert ended, they were completely hidden by the wall, > even though Roger Waters kept climbing up behind it before he was completely > overcome. In their final number (the courtroom Gilbert and Sullivan take-off), > they destroy the wall. Wrong, the wall was completed half-way through the show and the band was 'hidden' then, at the end of the 'Good bye Cruel World' song. After that was a break, then they played a song behind it; then they played in front, on top, and behind the wall with new openings that the roadies made. I wish I saw it more than once. Too much to take in in one sitting...... Al Dunn UUCP: ...seismo!rochester!ur-tut!abd1 USMAIL: University of Rochester BITNET: abd1@UORDBV Taylor Hall Phone: (716) 275-2811 work, 367-3577 home Rochester, NY 14627
lp102918@sjuvax.UUCP (03/21/86)
In article <336@drivax.UUCP> holloway@drivax.UUCP (Bruce Holloway) writes: > >When Pink Floyd were on their extensive "The Wall" tour (two concerts), >bunches of roadies would actually build an actual wall in front of the band. >By the time the concert ended, they were completely hidden by the wall, >even though Roger Waters kept climbing up behind it before he was completely >overcome. In their final number (the courtroom Gilbert and Sullivan take-off), >they destroy the wall. > ...this has got to be the most moronic thing I've ever heard in my life.You mean to tell me that people actually shelled out good money to see this garbage?!... ...do us all a favor,fellas,*retire*!!!... Larry Palena
sag2@ur-tut.UUCP (03/24/86)
In article <2936@sjuvax.UUCP> lp102918@sjuvax.UUCP (palena) writes: >In article <336@drivax.UUCP> holloway@drivax.UUCP (Bruce Holloway) writes: >> >>When Pink Floyd were on their extensive "The Wall" tour (two concerts), >>bunches of roadies would actually build an actual wall in front of the band. >>By the time the concert ended, they were completely hidden by the wall, >>even though Roger Waters kept climbing up behind it before he was completely >>overcome. In their final number (the courtroom Gilbert and Sullivan take-off), >>they destroy the wall. >> > > ...this has got to be the most moronic thing I've ever heard > in my life.You mean to tell me that people actually shelled > out good money to see this garbage?!... > > ...do us all a favor,fellas,*retire*!!!... > > Larry Palena WARNING...Farenheit 451 You know, it really amazes me that someone could have so little taste in music. Pink Floyd has one of the most unique and enjoyable sounds of any band that I have heard, and believe me, I have heard a lot. I'll tell you something else. Just because you don't appreciate REAL music doesn't mean that there aren't others around who don't. If you want to criticize a band, do so to one that deserves criticism. In the mean time, get a real life. ;-) Arthur Dent P.S. Some really bad groups to rag on include the following: Twisted Sister Essentially aural rectal inversion. Whitesnake Give me real heavy metal. Wham! Gutless whimps. KISS Why did they ever come back? Starship Sellouts to top 40. Mr. Mister (or whatever) Boozhwah. Kool and the Gang Make me want to throw up. Culture Club B P C and G's. Phil Collins Overrated top 40 demi-god. etc. etc. etc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Attention ... attention, failure to comply may result in prosecution for criminal drug evasion.
jla@usl.UUCP (Joe Arceneaux) (03/24/86)
In article <1271@mit-eddie.MIT.EDU> zzz@mit-eddie.MIT.EDU (Mike Konopik) writes: > > By the way, Wall fans, I've listened to a tape of a BBC broadcast with an > interview of Roger Waters with respect to The Wall. His explanation of > what it means is WAY off mark from what most people I've discussed it with > imagine. Sorry that I can't remember many of the details, but I do remember > ... > Somehow his explanation doesn't seem to completely cover all the subtle > parts of the album/movie. Either that, or he was intentionally trying to > make the audience think there was some obscure meaning beyond the mundanity > of the real meaning. > You figure it out! > -- > > -Mike > > genrad!mit-eddie!zzz (UUCP) ZZZ%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC (ARPA) Seems to me there have been so many instances of artists claiming that their work means something completely different than what it seems to obviously communicate, that I tend to disbelieve the artist in such situations. I listened to the albumn A LOT when it first came out, and when I finally saw the film, it seemed to agree completely with the record in as far as its "message". So I find it hard to believe that it was intended to represent something else altogether. Of course, I also remember hearing that Roger Waters and Alan Parker disagreed quite a bit on the film... -- Joseph Arceneaux Lafayette, LA {akgua, ut-sally}!usl!jla
williams@vu-vlsi.UUCP (Thomas Williams) (03/26/86)
In article <2936@sjuvax.UUCP>, lp102918@sjuvax.UUCP writes: > In article <336@drivax.UUCP> holloway@drivax.UUCP (Bruce Holloway) writes: > > > >When Pink Floyd were on their extensive "The Wall" tour (two concerts), > > [ a brief description of the Wall concerts ] > > > > ...this has got to be the most moronic thing I've ever heard > in my life.You mean to tell me that people actually shelled > out good money to see this garbage?!... > > ...do us all a favor,fellas,*retire*!!!... > > Larry Palena garbage?! moronic? <sigh> I suppose it would be quite useless trying to debate Pink Floyd's tremendous music and stage presence with you. All I ask is that you keep your infintile opinions to yourself. I doubt anyone enjoys reading your pathetic drivel when you have *nothing* at all to add to the conversation. Perhaps you get some saditic pleasure out of annoying people? Grow up. On to something nicer... I have heard that there is an LP bootleg of the most recent Roger Waters concert. I saw his show in Philadelphia and loved the first half (all floyd). Anyway the album reportedly covers the first half of the concert on two disks -- with a somewhat jazzed-up "Set the controls". Can anyone else give me any information on this? -taw