bob@imspw6.UUCP (Bob Burch) (11/12/88)
From Jan Steinman, Tektronix Inc.: >Last I changed jobs, I had been doing object-oriented design in Ada, and >switched to Smalltalk. About the same time, we got two kittens, so we named >them Ada and Smalltalk. > >Now my spouse and I are both beginning to get involved with C++, and have >gotten another kitten. We named her CoreDump. Object Oriented DESIGN is one thing; want to know how I can tell this writer has never actually DONE anything serious with Ada? Simple... you'd die of old age WAITING for anything serious to get as far as a core dump in Ada. Smalltalk? I guess I'll get interested in Smalltalk when somebody writes an OS comparable to UNIX in performance, portability, and functionality in Smalltalk and provides me with a version of Smalltalk with the low-end power of C. Ted Holden HTE
jans@tekgvs.GVS.TEK.COM (Jan Steinman) (11/15/88)
<<me, making a wisecrack that...>> <...bob@imspw6.UUCP (Bob Burch) took seriously> <<Last I changed jobs, I had been doing object-oriented design in Ada, and switched to Smalltalk... we got two kittens, so we named them Ada and Smalltalk. Now... involved with C++, and have... another kitten. We named her CoreDump.>> <<...I can tell this writer has never actually DONE anything serious with Ada...>> (Please, make personal attacks by email, so that defenses don't have to be made in public!) Bob claims that: <...you'd die of old age WAITING for... a core dump in Ada...> and I agree, unless you turn run-time checking off -- it's a FEATURE, not a bug! (Wouldn't you rather die of old age before seeing another core dump?) It seems obvious that he has not used a language that employs any more run-time checking than C++. Unless I'm missing something, you still have to specifically implement run-time checking in C++, although if a real, common environment existed, it might have something like a BoundedArray class in it. (Of course, Real Programmers never allow bad indices to reach their arrays. They never take input from the Real World, either. :-) (Again, flames directly to me by email, real discussions about run-time/compile-time trade offs to the newsgroup.) :::::: Tektronix Computer Research Lab --- Experiment Manager Project :::::: :::::: Jan Steinman N7JDB Box 500, MS 50-383 (w)503/627-5881 :::::: :::::: jans@tekcrl.TEK.COM Beaverton, OR 97077 (h)503/657-7703 ::::::