domae@heat.nrtc.northrop.com (Terry Domae <tdomae>) (06/30/89)
Lets get serious. C++ has some shortcommings, but so does Eiffel. Quibbling about the relative brain-damage of these languages just serves to produce heat, and no light. It is sufficient to say that each of these languages have problems, and list out these problems. Every language has applications which are implimented faster, better, or more efficiently than other languages. C++ and Eiffel are no different! I think this whole discussion came about because someone wanted to understand what each of these languages are good for. I've not seen a good summary yet. In fact, it's been so long since I saw the original message, I don't remember who submitted it. And, it's been flushed from our news-server. Also, the bashing that's going on in this group really dilutes its usefullness. I'd also like to ask if anyone is using David Unger's Language `self' (from Stanford). And if not, how do people perceive the relative strengths and weekness of `self'. I'd like OBJECTIVE, FACTUAL, and CLEAN experiences (free of this name calling) -- In other works TECHNICAL! Opinion is nice too as long as it's keeped professional. -- A Small Rock Thrown at Eiffel Here, but FACTUAL AND OBJECTIVE! -- An Eiffel Implementation Problem: -- -- I'd just like to note that I tried Eiffel at the ICSE (International -- Conference on Software Engineering) after reading the book, and the -- environment crashed (dumped core) many times for no real reason. -- It seems that the Eiffel environment might need a bit more debugging -- and less philosophy right now. Terry Domae Northrop Research and Technology Center Terry Domae