mveh2@cbnews.ATT.COM (edward.holdgate.iv) (06/30/89)
Hello, World. I have the Lifeboat Associates==Glockenspeil==Advantage C++ product for MS-DOS. It is a beta release from late 1987. A letter that came with the product says that the production version will be forthcoming "real soon now." Now I find that Lifeboat Associates (suppliers of the Lattice C compiler) has discontinued their "sponsorship" of the product. I understand that Glockenspeil (in Ireland) continues support of the product. QUESTION: Does anyone know what happened? Does anyone know the status and future prospects of this Glockenspiel/Advantage C++ product? I am considering changing to another MS-DOS C++ pre-processor/translator package. QUESTION: Does anyone have advice about changing to either Zortech C++ or Guidelines C++? Are there any other DOS based C++ pre-proc/trans/compilers? Thank you for input. Apply all disclaimers as soon as possible. Ed Holdgate AT&T MVW att!mvgpl!mveh2 or Guidelines
mark@intek01.UUCP (Mark McWiggins) (07/02/89)
From article <7898@cbnews.ATT.COM>, by mveh2@cbnews.ATT.COM (edward.holdgate.iv): > > I am considering changing to another MS-DOS C++ pre-processor/translator > package. > > QUESTION: Does anyone have advice about changing to either Zortech C++ > or Guidelines C++? Are there any other DOS based C++ > pre-proc/trans/compilers? Yes. We at Intek have adapted AT&T C++ to 80386-extended DOS, meaning we can compile REALLY LARGE programs. We support the Microsoft, Turbo, and Metaware High C 386 compilers; others support only Microsoft. I'd give advice, but I'm afraid it might be construed as prejudiced ... :) Mark McWiggins Integration Technologies, Inc. (Intek) 1400 112th Ave. SE #202 Bellevue WA 98004 (206) 455-9935 uunet!intek01!mark
ontologi@bu-tyng.bu.edu (Michael J. Vilot) (07/02/89)
In article <7898@cbnews.ATT.COM> mveh2@cbnews.ATT.COM (edward.holdgate.iv) writes: >I have the Lifeboat Associates==Glockenspeil==Advantage C++ product for >... >Glockenspeil (in Ireland) continues support of the product. > >QUESTION: Does anyone know what happened? Does anyone know the status >and future prospects of this Glockenspiel/Advantage C++ product? Glockenspiel have disentangled themselves from a very unfavorable distribution and marketing arrangement. Their new US representation is a company called ImageSoft (2 Haven Ave., Port Washington, NY 11050, (516)767-2233). Another development is a close alliance between Glockenspiel and MicroSoft, who are using the Glockenspiel C++ internally (at least, until they develop their own ;-) The latest version of their `cfront' derivative for DOS & OS/2 comes bundled in the product called "CommonView". The package also includes a C++ class library for user interface development (the library works with either MS Windows or Presentation Manager, hence the name), and a public domain set of collection classes. >QUESTION: Does anyone have advice about changing to either Zortech C++ >or Guidelines C++? Are there any other DOS based C++ pre-proc/trans/compilers? It's difficult to give any advice without more specifics regarding your circumstances and proposed application of the language. But, if you plan to use the MS Windows product, you might consider CommonView -- it should save you a lot of work. I am not aware of any other DOS C++ products. For now, it's either a `cfront' derivative or the Zortech compiler. While I have heard negative comments about Zortech's product, I have also heard them claim that later releases cure the cited ills. For more information, you might look at the product review section in Rob Murray's C++ Report. Hope this helps, Mike Michael Vilot ontologi@bu-tyng.bu.com ObjectWare, Inc. BIX: mvilot 16 Warton Rd. Nashua, NH 03062-2537 (603)888-4729 -- Michael Vilot ontologi@bu-tyng.bu.com ObjectWare, Inc. BIX: mvilot 16 Warton Rd. Nashua, NH 03062-2537 (603)888-4729
grg@otter.hpl.hp.com (Gerd Groos) (07/04/89)
>From: mveh2@cbnews.ATT.COM (edward.holdgate.iv) >Subject: DOS C++: Advantage/Glockenspiel/Zortech ? > >QUESTION: Does anyone have advice about changing to either Zortech C++ >or Guidelines C++? Are there any other DOS based C++ pre-proc/trans/compilers? I have been using Zortech C++ (1.07) to get into the language and I enjoyed using it. Zortech is easy to install and run. All Documentation is contained in one manual. It offers a programming environment similar to Turbo Pascal (compile from within the editor etc.), but here you can edit 5 files a time which I think is very helpfull. Zortech compiles C++ directly to object - that's really fast. They sell their library source code. Their optional C++ Tools package offers container classes (queues etc.), text windows etc. - and you get all its source code. The tools manual explains how to use them - and also discusses and explains the implementation. This was especially interesting for me as a C++ beginner. Zortech's main disadvantage might be its low price compared with C++ preprocessors for PC's (if it ain't expensive it ain't good?). I heard plenty of rumours about the bad quality of Zortech - does this relate to previous versions?. I am currently using Glockenspiel, though. It's because of CommonView (an interface to MS Windows) ans despite their compiler. I think C++ preprocessors work too slow as long as you don't have a fast PC. It uses about every byte of my PC's memory (640K). They main reason for preprocessors is portability - but PC's aren't that different? Glockenspiel takes about every byte of RAM - I can't even use Glockenspiel's compile/link utility ccxx, as there isn't enough memory left for compiling... Instead I had to create batch files for compiling and linking. However, I am impressed by its CommonView library - it makes MS Window programming much easier. >>The package [CommonView] also includes a C++ class library for user interface development >>(the library works with either MS Windows or Presentation Manager, hence the name). They are working on CommonView for OSF/Motif, so porting CommonView applications to X11 (for example) should be possible as well in the future. >> ... if you plan to use the MS Windows product, you might consider CommonView -- it >> should save you a lot of work. I agree. Just compare CommonView's "Hello" programm (it opens a window and writes a line of text into it) with hello.c in Microsoft's Window Development Kit. >>While I have heard negative comments about Zortech's product, I have also >>heard them claim that later releases cure the cited ills. I would be interested to hear about specific problems with Zortech C++. Gerd ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Is there anything like a bug free C++ compiler?"
sarima@gryphon.COM (Stan Friesen) (07/08/89)
In article <1101@bu-tyng.bu.edu> ontologi@bu-tyng.UUCP (Michael J. Vilot) writes: > >Glockenspiel have disentangled themselves from a very unfavorable distribution >and marketing arrangement. Their new US representation is a company called >ImageSoft (2 Haven Ave., Port Washington, NY 11050, (516)767-2233). Thanks, I was not looking forward to trying to call Ireland for support! What's the matter with Lifeboat? This is at least the *second* time such a thing has happened to me with them. The first time was when they discontinued support for Lattice C. Are they really screwing thier suppliers that badly? We users are certainly getting screwed. By the way, does ImageSoft support the Lattice C version of Advantage C++ or only the Microsoft C version? If they don't have Lattice C support I will still have to go to Zortech. Also, will ImageSoft honor my support agreement with Lifeboat, or will I have to pay full retail price for an upgrade? > >The latest version of their `cfront' derivative for DOS & OS/2 comes bundled >in the product called "CommonView". The package also includes a C++ class >library for user interface development (the library works with either MS >Windows or Presentation Manager, hence the name), and a public domain set of >collection classes. > This sounds very nice, but will it work *without* Windows? After all not all of us have it, or have any intent of buying it. Sigh, I am *through* trying to deal with Lifeboat. Twice screwed is enough. -- Sarima Cardolandion sarima@gryphon.CTS.COM aka Stanley Friesen rutgers!marque!gryphon!sarima Sherman Oaks, CA
grg@otter.hpl.hp.com (Gerd Groos) (07/09/89)
/ otter:comp.lang.c++ / sarima@gryphon.COM (Stan Friesen) / 4:43 pm Jul 8, 1989 / In article <1101@bu-tyng.bu.edu> ontologi@bu-tyng.UUCP (Michael J. Vilot) writes: > >Glockenspiel have disentangled themselves from a very unfavorable distribution >and marketing arrangement. Their new US representation is a company called >ImageSoft (2 Haven Ave., Port Washington, NY 11050, (516)767-2233). Thanks, I was not looking forward to trying to call Ireland for support! What's the matter with Lifeboat? This is at least the *second* time such a thing has happened to me with them. The first time was when they discontinued support for Lattice C. Are they really screwing thier suppliers that badly? We users are certainly getting screwed. By the way, does ImageSoft support the Lattice C version of Advantage C++ or only the Microsoft C version? If they don't have Lattice C support I will still have to go to Zortech. Also, will ImageSoft honor my support agreement with Lifeboat, or will I have to pay full retail price for an upgrade? > >The latest version of their `cfront' derivative for DOS & OS/2 comes bundled >in the product called "CommonView". The package also includes a C++ class >library for user interface development (the library works with either MS >Windows or Presentation Manager, hence the name), and a public domain set of >collection classes. > This sounds very nice, but will it work *without* Windows? After all not all of us have it, or have any intent of buying it. Sigh, I am *through* trying to deal with Lifeboat. Twice screwed is enough. -- Sarima Cardolandion sarima@gryphon.CTS.COM aka Stanley Friesen rutgers!marque!gryphon!sarima Sherman Oaks, CA ----------