jbn@glacier.STANFORD.EDU (John B. Nagle) (06/21/88)
Is there a C++ for the Mac? And has someone given thought to integrating C++ with the Mac environment so that all those resources one requests from the Mac's operating system are managed through objects? John Nagle
rms@WHEATIES.AI.MIT.EDU (Richard Stallman) (06/21/88)
Rather than looking for ways to produce more software for the Macintosh system, it would be more useful in the long term (a couple of years) to boycott Apple and encourage others to do likewise. Apple is attacking our freedom to write free software (as well as other things). If they succeed, we will lose many useful pieces of software that will be illegal to write. It is worth while to forego a few temporary benefits to prevent this. It's true that the boycott might not be widespread enough to work. But it certainly can't work if we don't try. Someone has got to start it, so I volunteer. I hope some of the rest of you will join and spread the word.
bs@alice.UUCP (06/21/88)
Apple have a C++ for the Mac under their Programmers Work Shop (or something like that). This means that MacApp is available. Ken Friedenback from Apple was mentioned as the instructor for a course at Santa Cruze on ``C++ on the Mac'' in a message on comp.lang.c or comp.lang.c++ so he must know about it. - Bjarne
wpohl@hvrunix.UUCP (Walter E. Pohl) (06/22/88)
In article <8806202049.AA00862@sugar-bombs.ai.mit.edu>, rms@WHEATIES.AI.MIT.EDU (Richard Stallman) writes: > [... that he thinks that we] should boycott Apple and encourage others > to do likewise. > > Apple is attacking our freedom to write free software (as well as > other things). If they succeed, we will lose many useful pieces of > software that will be illegal to write. It is worth while to forego a > few temporary benefits to prevent this. Forgive my ignorance, but what are you referring to? This isn't a flame or anything, but I'm not sure what you mean.
BattenIG@CS.BHAM.AC.UK (Ian G Batten) (06/24/88)
> From: Dan Allen <voder!apple!dan@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> > Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA > Subject: Re: C++ on Mac > Apple is currently developing a version of CFront that runs under the > Macintosh Programmer's Workshop (MPW). It is somewhere between alpha Presumably this will in no way use the "look and feel" of any existing C++ translator or compiler. ian INTERNET: BattenIG%cs.bham.ac.uk@cunyvm.cuny.edu JANET: BattenIG@uk.ac.bham.cs BITNET: BattenIG%cs.bham.ac.uk@ukacrl.bitnet UUCP: ...!mcvax!bhamcs!BattenIG
csrdi@its63b.ed.ac.uk (Janet: rick@uk.ac.ed) (06/27/88)
In article <17504@glacier.STANFORD.EDU> jbn@glacier.STANFORD.EDU (John B. Nagle) writes: > > Is there a C++ for the Mac? I enclose a copy of a message which went out to the info-gcc mailing list a couple of months back. For all that I like the Mac, Stallman hits the nail well and truly on the head. ---- Start of forwarded text ---- > From rms%edu.mit.ai.wheaties@edu.mit.ai.prep Wed Apr 13 07:16:38 1988 > Date: Wed, 13 Apr 88 01:50:42 EDT > From: Richard Stallman <rms@edu.mit.ai.wheaties> > To: info-gcc@edu.mit.ai.prep > Subject: Apple > > Because of its lawsuit, Apple is now the primary enemy of free > software (and other kinds of software as well). I hope that instead > of porting GCC to their system you will port yourself to another > system. > > If the principle that someone can have the power to stop others from > writing a broad class of programs becomes established, no programming > project will be safe. For our own protection in the long run, we must > be willing to make sacrifices now to make Apple regret its attack. > > One way to do this is to look for one aspect of your dealings with > Apple that you can put an end to, to cut Apple's business. For > example, if you were thinking of developing software for Macintoshes, > don't start. If you have been doing so, start porting your programs > to other systems. If you are about to buy a computer, don't buy it > from Apple. > > If you do these things, you will not be alone. There is a great anger > building against Apple, and each of us who rejects Apple in some way > will encourage another to do likewise. > ---- End of forwarded text ---- -- Janet: rick@uk.ac.ed BITNET: rick%uk.ac.ed@UKACRL ARPA: rick@ed.ac.uk UUCP: rick%uk.ac.ed%ukc@mcvax "Life would be so much easier if everyone read the manual."
dlw@hpsmtc1.HP.COM (David Williams) (06/30/88)
in:comp.lang.c++ / rms@WHEATIES.AI.MIT.EDU (Richard Stallman) implores: >Rather than looking for ways to produce more software for the >Macintosh system, it would be more useful in the long term (a couple >of years) to boycott Apple and encourage others to do likewise. In case you hadn't noticed Apple is a BUSINESS, not a not for profit foundation. It needs to produce revenue to pay salaries, make machines and to survive. Companies such as IBM are not about to sit around and let Apple own the graphical user interface business or the applications that run under them. Witness OS/2 and presentation manager....they will not be the best that a user can expect, but they will become the standard on PC's all 5 million + of them. Prior to IBM entering the personal computer business, Apple and others pretty much had it to themselves. Now IBM is the dominant pc maker (notice that they have sold over a million PS/2's in under a year). Apple after FOUR years of selling Macintoshes just now has achieved that sort of figure for the entire macintosh line. >Apple is attacking our freedom to write free software (as well as >other things). If they succeed, we will lose many useful pieces of >software that will be illegal to write. It is worth while to forego a >few temporary benefits to prevent this. Apple is merely trying to survive. IBM is now moving into the area that Apple had to itself for a long time...graphical user interfaces. Perhaps you might say, so what then let Apple die, you are certainly entitled to that opinion, but as you can see Apple wants to exist as a corporation. In this game it is not enough to have the best system technically--it bottom lines to how many units of product are sold and the perception of the general buying public. Many corporations now recognize the value a Macintosh can bring to their users in the areas of ease of use and graphics, but they are STILL planning to buy more IBM pcs because there is safety in the installed base of users and the quantity of software available. I sometimes think these people should just weigh it by the ton. I suppose you're going to propose we boycott IBM as well since they are going hard and fast against ALL makers of PC clones and ALL makers of RISC machines. Perhaps it does not concern you because they are not putting their VAST armies of lawyers on software YET and are only going after hardware. I imagine it will only be a matter of time before that comes to pass. >It's true that the boycott might not be widespread enough to work. >But it certainly can't work if we don't try. Someone has got to start >it, so I volunteer. I hope some of the rest of you will join and spread >the word. The majority of Macintoshes are now bought by businesses not hackers or wizards so Apple does'nt need you or me. Let me know when you start boycotting IBM... I'll watch their bottom line with keen interest for the difference..;) And now for a question! Does this qualify me for your reputed to exist enemies list? David L. Williams "These opinions are mine, and mine alone!!!!!!!!"
shenkin@cubsun.BIO.COLUMBIA.EDU (Peter Shenkin) (07/01/88)
In article <13010001@hpsmtc1.HP.COM> dlw@hpsmtc1.HP.COM (David Williams) writes: >in:comp.lang.c++ / rms@WHEATIES.AI.MIT.EDU (Richard Stallman) implores: >> ...it would be more useful in the long term (a couple >>of years) to boycott Apple and encourage others to do likewise. >Apple is merely trying to survive... Just what has Apple done to rate Stallman's diatribe and Williams' response? (I'm ignorant....) -- ******************************************************************************* Peter S. Shenkin, Department of Biological Sciences, Columbia University, New York, NY 10027 Tel: (212) 280-5517 (work); (212) 829-5363 (home) shenkin@cubsun.bio.columbia.edu shenkin%cubsun.bio.columbia.edu@cuvma.BITNET
ckim@esunix.UUCP (Cheol Kim) (07/12/89)
A friend of mine asked about C++ on Mac. I saw a couple of ads for C++ in MacWorld. I was only able to help him that there are C++ compilers for Mac. If you have used them and found them satisfactory, let me know and I will pass the words along to hime. Not hime but him. thanks in advance, cheol