[net.sf-lovers] No, there is another.

alex@CCA-UNIX@sri-unix (12/08/82)

To me it is interesting that Vader told Luke to release his anger,
"Only your hatred (anger?) can destroy me."  This is of course the
opposite of what Yoda and Obi-wan have said ("Mind what you have learned --
save you it can").  When Luke started getting emotional was when he started
losing control of the Force -- here we see that the Dark side is controlled
by strong negative emotions, whereas the good side is almost a Zen-like
trance.  Is it possible that Vader's disclosure that he was Luke's father
was what helped Luke in the end?  Recall that at that time Luke was beaten
and injured, and hanging on for his life at the end of the ... thing.
Luke did not accept the implication of Vader's disclosure, however, and
looked down and allowed himself to fall.  The way it looked to me, he had
regained some calm and control when he did that.

Later on the Falcon, when Vader mind-speaks to him, his reaction is not to
Vader -- he hears Vader but does not respond, either negatively or positively
to Vader.  Instead, he wonders why Ben didn't tell him.  Clearly he accepts
the fact that Vader is his father at that point.  But he does not accept any
implications of that fact.

NOW FOR A SPOILER.

At ChiCon, some of the information we gleaned from the LucasFilm people
(who, me?  I was sitting in the fourth row....) indicated that there will
be only two planetfalls (Dagobah and Tatooine), and that no new major
characters were being introduced.  Also, all loose ends will be tied up.
Some of this is inferred, some is from statements made by the LucasFilm rep.
(I can't remember if it was Gary Kurtz or someone else.)

					Alexis Layton
					alex@CCA-UNIX
					decvax!cca!alex

P.S.  Would someone who was there please mail me?  I want to check my memory
on something.

heliotis (12/09/82)

I disagree with some of Alexis Layton's opinions.  (1) When Luke decided to
jump off the ... thing, I think he felt that Vader was getting the best of
him, and if he didn't get away from that guy soon, he would be sucked into
the dark side of the force; if he had regained his composure, perhaps he
would not have had to jump (althought perhaps Vader would have killed him).
Also, I think that Luke often cried out Ben's name to keep from thinking
about "Poppa Darth", and again, being sucked into the dark side. (Oops!
I should have said "(2)" there!)

					Jim@Ra-cha-cha