Bob.Stout@p6.f506.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Stout) (05/23/90)
In a message of <May 21 17:14>, David S. Masterson (cimshop!davidm@uunet.UU.NET ) writes: >Anyone know if Zortech C++ is compatible with a PC/XT system with 640K? Yes - in fact if you're really masochistic, you can even run it off of 360K floppies. :-)
Bob.Stout@p6.f506.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Stout) (05/23/90)
In a message of <May 21 21:02>, Steve Hite (steve@hite386.UUCP ) writes: >I am going to upgrade and I'm also going to "upgrade" from Turbo C 2.0 to >Turbo C++ 1.0 ($125...NICE price) and then I'll post a subjective :-) >comparison to the net in late July. I was supposed to have received TC++ last Fri, the 18th, but it has yet to arrive. I'm waiting, less than patiently. I'm real anxious to pit VROOMM against 2.10 beta's VCM and __handle pointers. > If it's not too late, perhaps, Bob, you could suggest to Zortech >(i.e. Walter, are you listening?) that a key-bindings for Brief 3.0 >compatibility be added as well. I would gamble to say that, in the DOS >world, more professional programmers use Brief than any other EMACS clone. >However, since this product is eventually going over to Unix...EMACS is not >such a bad choice after all. It beats WordStar :-). Also, if the editor is >"EMACS compatible", does this mean that there is a macro language included >also or just equivalent key-bindings? Brief key bindings have been promised either on BIX or Walter's BBS, but I doubt if they'll be in the 2.10 release. Also the EMACS bindings are just that - no extension or macro language is supported. It really is pretty nice, but certainly not nice enough to temp me away from Epsilon. > One last thing...PLEASE put an index in the back of every manual this >time. The new manuals are being typeset now and I understand this will be changed in 2.10. > That's okay, Bob, your objective opinion is always welcome here. :-) Well, it'll be one h*ll of a lot more objective when Borland finally sends me the TC++ they promised! <grin & grump> > [Bob (VROOMM = __handle + VCM + hype) Stout] == a satisfied Zortech C++ >customer and beta-tester who has not tried Turbo C++ yet but is already sold >on the idea that ZTC++ 2.10 is better. Actually, sight-unseen, I assume TC++ has a slicker (though not necessarily "better") user interface and that the C++ version of TD is probably a little better than ZDB. You're right in that I expect a refinement of a two-year old compiler to produce better code than version 1.0 of anything - especially since, for the work I do (important disclaimer - your mileage may vary), ZTC has always produced superior code compared with TC. Since I don't use the IDE and ZDB is awfully close to being as good as TD, I will be surprised if I don't prefer ZTC++ 2.10 to TC++ 1.0, but Borland's always welcome to try and change my mind. The biggest prejudices I have against Borland aren't technical, but relate to my perceptions of their marketing and their president. Shoot, I prefer ZTC to MSC, but after having lived with it for a while now, my opinion of MSC 6.0 is a lot higher than some folks I know who aren't known to be Zortech partisans as I am.
steve@hite386.UUCP (Steve Hite) (05/26/90)
Bob.Stout@p6.f506.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Stout) writes: > Actually, sight-unseen, I assume TC++ has a slicker (though not necessarily >"better") user interface and that the C++ version of TD is probably a little >better than ZDB. You're right in that I expect a refinement of a two-year old >compiler to produce better code than version 1.0 of anything - especially >since, for the work I do (important disclaimer - your mileage may vary), ZTC Bob, Wasn't there something in either InfoWorld or ComputerWorld in the past year that stated that Borland *bought* (maybe read licensed, dunno) some C++ technology from Oregon Software? If this is so, then it is possible that the code quality of TC++ could be >= that of ZTC 2.06 and maybe your 2.10 beta. We'll know soon enough, I guess. As a side note, is it possible to send you e-mail from Usenet via that long and nasty looking fidonet address you have? :-) I've enjoyed reading your messages on a local Opus board in town (Jacksonville, FL). Perhaps you could send me a test message and I'll try to send it back. ------------------------------------- Steve Hite ...gatech!uflorida!unf7!hite386!steve