klinich@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (02/23/91)
Can someone tell me what the upgrade to Borland C++ includes? I have the Turbo C++ Pro package right now. Does it include everytihng you would get if you bought it off the shelf or is it truly just an upgrade to my present package? This is my first time dealing wiht Borland upgrades. Thanks in advance. George ______________________________________________________________________________ George Klinich klinich@ohstpy.mps.edu Dept. Physics, OSU Columbus, OH 43210 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
David_Dave_Tamashiro@cup.portal.com (02/26/91)
If you buy C++ in the stores you will a free copy Petzold's Windows book. I also assume you get the full documentation for Turbo Assembler. (The upgrade includes only the TASM Quick Reference, not the full TASM Reference manual). I also found it interesting that you get less documentation with this new update than the last update. That is, the C++ 1.0 stack of books is higher than the C++ 2.0 stack of books. The store price of C++ is around $320 bucks, however, so I think you are getting a really good deal with the upgrade.
john@hpnmdla.HP.COM (John McLaughlin) (02/27/91)
In comp.lang.c++, David_Dave_Tamashiro@cup.portal.com writes:
If you buy C++ in the stores you will a free copy Petzold's
Windows book. I also assume you get the full documentation for
Turbo Assembler. (The upgrade includes only the TASM Quick Reference,
not the full TASM Reference manual).
I also found it interesting that you get less documentation with this
new update than the last update. That is, the C++ 1.0 stack of books
is higher than the C++ 2.0 stack of books.
... [deleted]
Is this true? When we ordered an upgrade the nice lady on the phone
informed us that "This is a brand new product, and you are getting
the complete package". I had assumed that this included Petzold's
book. The borland teaser on this product states "MORE COMPREHENSIVE
DOCUMENTATION AND SUPPORT. For Borland C++, we developed the most
comprehensive documentation we've ever offered...." now
the following is not necessarily true: comprehensive==height of manuals
but the fact that the upgrade does not include Petzolds book OR
apparently the complete set of documentation disturbs me. Can anyone
confirm or deny this?? P.S. can anyone give a capsule review? I
am especially interested in how the precompiled headers work (how much
faster?) also the speed increases seen with the turbo drive...sidney@borland.com (Sidney Markowitz) (02/27/91)
In article <2760001@hpnmdla.HP.COM> john@hpnmdla.HP.COM (John McLaughlin) writes: >In comp.lang.c++, David_Dave_Tamashiro@cup.portal.com writes: >> [ ... stuff about lack of doc ... ] >Is this true? [...] >Can anyone confirm or deny this?? P.S. can anyone give a capsule review? >am especially interested in how the precompiled headers work (how much >faster?) also the speed increases seen with the turbo drive... Well, the newsfeed to our new Internet node was turned on for the first time today, so excuse me if I repeat anything that has gone by on this thread already. And please let me know via e-mail if I stray too far from what are considered proper topics in this newsgroup. (And see disclaimer at my signature!) The short answers first: If you have a lot of code in headers, which is typical in C++ and in Windows programming, a recompile when headers haven't changed can get up to 5 times faster, though your mileage will vary greatly up or down depending on your code. "Turbo drive" is marketing's term for a protected mode DOS extender. It's major advantage is increased capacity, and greater speed when compared to real mode compiles and links that would have to swap to run. It may be a little slower than a real mode compile/link that doesn't have to swap, especially on a 286, because of the time it take to switch the processor back and forth between protected and real modes. That's less of a factor on 386 and 486 machines. The following is a compilation of two messages that appeared on the Borland tech support forum on Compuserve, followed by some additions from me: [begin forwarded message] Borland C++ comes with nine (9) manuals including a library reference manual for the RTL. The manuals included are: Borland C++ Getting Started User's Guide Programmer's Guide Library Reference Whitewater Resource Toolkit User's Guides for Turbo Debugger, Profiler and Assembler. It also comes with a spiral about Quick Refence for the Assembler and a six page quick reference for the command line switches. Plenty of online doc too. If you buy Borland C++ through the retail channel, Petzold's "Programming Windows" is available free with a coupon in the box. If you are upgrading, you can get the book for $20 (33% off the list price). Paul Gross Sr. Product Mgr Borland C++ [end forwarded message] Later, Borland announced that the Windows Help Compiler had been licensed from Microsoft. The contract had not been concluded in time for the product announcement, so initial shipments did not include it. A free disk and manual will automatically be sent to anyone who received an upgrade or who registers a retail copy of BC++ that didn't include the help compiler. The coupon for the discount on Petzold's book was missing from the first boxes of upgrades and will be sent with the help compiler. I have seen no mention of a TASM manual being included in the product and not the upgrade. After the big uproar about that with the TC++ 1.0 upgrades that led to Borland FedExing free TASM manuals to people who requested them, I doubt that they would do that again, but I'll check on it. -- sidney markowitz <sidney@borland.com> (Note: the way, Tech Support and Customer Service are not yet hooked in to this node, just a few R&D people, so please everyone, don't deluge me with questions and requests best handled by them through normal channels).
agonzale@nmsu.edu (Agustin Gonzalez-Tuchmann) (03/01/91)
Hi Does anyone know whether Microsoft is working in a c++ compiler, and if so approximate realease dates? I use a lot of C and I have MS C-compiler V 5.0. Now I am doing some programming in C++ and I really like it. I would like to have a C++ compiler but I would not like switching to Borland. However, I don't know how long more I will wait for Microsoft. Does anyone else is in this situation? -- --------------------------------- * ----------------------------------- Agustin Gonzalez-Tuchmann dbase-l list owner. New Mexico State University Office: SH-165 Computer Science Department Phone: (505) 646-6243 Las Cruces, N.M. 88003-0001 e-mail: agonzale@nmsu.edu
ray@ole.UUCP (Ray Berry) (03/01/91)
john@hpnmdla.HP.COM (John McLaughlin) writes: >In comp.lang.c++, David_Dave_Tamashiro@cup.portal.com writes: > If you buy C++ in the stores you will a free copy Petzold's > Windows book. I also assume you get the full documentation for > Turbo Assembler. (The upgrade includes only the TASM Quick Reference, > not the full TASM Reference manual). This is correct. >apparently the complete set of documentation disturbs me. Can anyone >confirm or deny this?? P.S. can anyone give a capsule review? I I received the 'pro' upgrade this afternoon. The Petzold book was *not* included. And yes, a quick ref spiral bound asm ref instead of the bound style book. Otherwise complete. On the other hand, Borland is getting better- the omissions are minor this time. Last year I was one of a cast of thousands bitching about the omission of the ASM manual from the last upgrade, and about the practice of sending 'update' manuals instead of normal manuals. It seems they got the message. Hats off to Borland. I don't mind the Petzold omission, considering the volume of stuff in the upgrade and the diff in price between the upgrade and street price on a new package. At least they didn't include an offer to SELL you the library reference for $25 bucks. Incidentally, a full install of this package eats 15.3 Megabytes ! -- Ray Berry kb7ht uucp: ...sumax!ole!ray CIS: 73407,3152 /* "inquire within" */
wain@seac.UUCP (Wain Dobson) (03/02/91)
In article <723@opus.NMSU.Edu> agonzale@nmsu.edu (Agustin Gonzalez-Tuchmann) writes: >Hi > >Does anyone know whether Microsoft is working in a c++ compiler, >and if so approximate realease dates? > There is an article in PC Week (February 11,1991) that suggests that you may be waiting until about Christmas, maybe. Fall at the earliest, maybe. -- Wain Dobson, Vancouver, B.C. ...!{uunet,ubc-cs}!van-bc!seac!wain
dave@interlan.Interlan.COM (Dave Goldblatt) (03/02/91)
In article <1830@ole.UUCP> ray@ole.UUCP (Ray Berry) writes:
I received the 'pro' upgrade this afternoon. The Petzold book
was *not* included.
Actually, that's partially correct. In the upgrade, you do not receive the
book with the package, however, you will receive in the mail (~2-4 weeks
after purchase) a coupon godd for a 33% discount off the price of the book.
Additionally, within a similar amount of time you will receive a disk
containing the Microsoft Help Resource compiler, which will also be
included in packages shipping within the next few weeks. The
licensing agreements with Microsoft were not completed in time for the
initial release, but will be provided at no charge. (culled from CI$)
Now THAT'S customer service!
-dg-
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Suck on this!" *
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Penn & Teller * not representing, Racal InterLan)mcall@devnet.hac.com (Mike Callinan) (03/05/91)
In article <39591@cup.portal.com> David_Dave_Tamashiro@cup.portal.com writes: >If you buy C++ in the stores you will a free copy Petzold's >Windows book. I also assume you get the full documentation for >Turbo Assembler. (The upgrade includes only the TASM Quick Reference, >not the full TASM Reference manual). > I just received my upgrade and it included full documentation for TASM 2.5. The free Windows book sounds good though. Mike C.
poffen@sj.ate.slb.com (Russ Poffenberger) (03/06/91)
In article <1991Feb28.225015.7049@isis.cs.du.edu> ebergman@isis.UUCP (Eric Bergman-Terrell) writes: > >Has anyone gotten a copy of Petzold's book with the Borland C++ upgrade? >I didn't (sent in the upgrade card via mail). > I was wondering the same thing. I couldn't find a coupon or order card or anything in the package. Russ Poffenberger DOMAIN: poffen@sj.ate.slb.com Schlumberger Technologies UUCP: {uunet,decwrl,amdahl}!sjsca4!poffen 1601 Technology Drive CIS: 72401,276 San Jose, Ca. 95110 (408)437-5254
oneel@heawk1.rosserv.gsfc.nasa.gov ( Bruce Oneel ) (03/06/91)
Re: Petzold's book and Borland C++. The coupon is supposed to come in the mail for those of you who got early copies of BC++. This is per Borland on CI$. bruce -- | Bruce O'Neel | internet : oneel@heasfs.gsfc.nasa.gov| | Code 664/STX | span : lheavx::oneel | | NASA/GSFC |compuserve: 72737,1315 | | Greenbelt MD 20771 | AT&Tnet : (301)-286-1119 |