matt@medicod.UUCP (Matt Smith) (02/19/91)
I just got a form from Borland to upgrade my Turbo C++ from 1.0x to what
ever the version is that compiles windows. I have a few questions because
they want $100.00 to upgrade and I can't afford to waste that kind of
cash.
1 - Does it compile faster as they claim? The version I have sure is slow.
2 - Does it really compile Windows 3.0 without MS SDK? I would really
like to do some windows development.
3 - Any opinions of anyone out there are always welcome (including
those who favor Zortech)
Please post all replies to the net or mail me at the address in my .sig.
address you see above is a bit flakey.
matt
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Earth - Mostly harmless - Doug Adamsmicki@napalm.valid.com (Micki Stone) (03/05/91)
matt@medicod.UUCP (Matt Smith) writes: >I just got a form from Borland to upgrade my Turbo C++ from 1.0x to what >1 - Does it compile faster as they claim? The version I have sure is slow. >2 - Does it really compile Windows 3.0 without MS SDK? I would really > like to do some windows development. I just received the upgrade. Although I have not done any timing analysis on the compiler, I haven't really noticed a difference. As for question 2... if you want to develop windows applications that are textually based (no editing of graphics in the window), you can do that without the Microsoft sdk. The upgrade has a Whitewater kit that allows the development of windows graphical elements like scroll bars, buttons, windows, etc. Michelle
wallis@sieras.enet.dec.com (Barry L. Wallis) (03/05/91)
In article <198@valid.valid.com>, micki@napalm.valid.com (Micki Stone) writes... [intevening text regarding compiler speed deleted] |>if you want to develop windows applications that are textually based |>(no editing of graphics in the window), you can do that without the |>Microsoft sdk. The upgrade has a Whitewater kit that allows the |>development of windows graphical elements like scroll bars, buttons, |>windows, etc. Are you saying that BC++ does notinclude the library routines for graphics manipulation under Windows? --- Barry L. Wallis USENET: wallis@labc.dec.com Database Consultant Prodigy (don't laugh): DNMX41A U.S. DECtp Resource Center DECUServe: EISNER::WALLIS (not on the net yet) Los Angeles, CA "No one voted for me, I represent myself" ---
chowells@nro.cs.athabascau.ca (Corvil Howells) (03/07/91)
micki@napalm.valid.com (Micki Stone) writes: > As for question > 2... if you want to develop windows applications that are textually based > (no editing of graphics in the window), you can do that without the > Microsoft sdk. The upgrade has a Whitewater kit that allows the > development of windows graphical elements like scroll bars, buttons, > windows, etc. Could I get more clarification on the above description. I just got the upgrade notice as well and was seriously looking at ordering it. Is it really limited to only textually based application development? If so, can anyone explain why? It seems somewhat crippled if it can only be used for text based apps. Almost all of the Windows apps. that I have seen use some sort of graphical enhancement. If it is this limited, will it be updated again in the future to include the graphical capabilities? I am not familiar with the Whitewater kit so that may explain why I don't already know these answers. I don't want to waste money upgrading now if it's just going to be updated again in the near future. Thanks in advance for any forthcoming enlightenment. Corvil
sidney@borland.com (Sidney Markowitz) (03/08/91)
In article <csgFy1w163w@ersys.uucp> ersys!chowells@nro.cs.athabascau.ca (Corvil Howells) writes: >micki@napalm.valid.com (Micki Stone) writes: >> As for question >> 2... if you want to develop windows applications that are textually based >> (no editing of graphics in the window), you can do that without the >> Microsoft sdk. The upgrade has a Whitewater kit that allows the >> development of windows graphical elements like scroll bars, buttons, >> windows, etc. > >Could I get more clarification on the above description. I just got the >upgrade notice as well and was seriously looking at ordering it. Is it >really limited to only textually based application development? If so, No, no, no! Squash that rumor! Read Micki's message again: He/she is totally confusing the issue by talking about windows (with a small "w") when everyone else is talking about Microsoft Windows (with a capital "W") and then throwing in more confusion between the Microsoft SDK and the Whitewater Resource Toolkit on top of that. To put it clearly: Borland C++ has everything necessary for the production of Microsoft Windows apps that run in standard and enhanced modes. Real mode apps seem to be possible if you really want them, but that capability is not officially supported. The Microsoft SDK is not necessary, although there are a couple of components in the SDK that are not duplicated in the BC++ package. I posted a more complete description to the net, and later someone posted a quote of a similar message that I had left on Compuserve. Refer to those if you can for details. I'm sorry if I'm sounding a little commercial, but after seeing two such responses to Micki's garbled posting, I just had to jump in. Now how about asking questions about Borland C++ over on the tcplus-l mailing list on listserv, or comp.os.msdos.programmers and letting this newsgroup get back to being about the C++ language? -- sidney markowitz <sidney@borland.com> Borland R&D : but not an official spokesperson for Borland
horvath@granite.cr.bull.com (John Horvath) (03/09/91)
In article <1991Mar8.044013.2366@borland.com> sidney@borland.com (Sidney Markowitz) writes: > >Now how about asking questions about Borland C++ over on the tcplus-l >mailing list on listserv, or comp.os.msdos.programmers and letting >this newsgroup get back to being about the C++ language? > How does one (on the internet) subscribe to the tcplus-1 (or L) mailing list? (is it a mailing list or something else?) Thanks
micki@napalm.valid.com (Micki Stone) (03/14/91)
wallis@sieras.enet.dec.com (Barry L. Wallis) writes: >Are you saying that BC++ does notinclude the library routines for graphics >manipulation under Windows? I took a quick pass to see if I could do graphics within the Windows environment. It seems like there is a big hole somewhere. If it is possible, the documentation is lacking. There are references to the "Microsoft SDK" to find out how to do it. I am assuming that once you get your hands on the dox, you do have the tools to manipulate graphics images within a window. Michelle
jimad@microsoft.UUCP (Jim ADCOCK) (03/15/91)
In article <245@valid.valid.com| micki@napalm.valid.com (Micki Stone) writes: |I am assuming that once you get your hands on the dox, you do |have the tools to manipulate graphics images within a window. I have followed up to this issue on comp.windows.ms.programmer, since these topics would seem to be more appropriate there.