[net.sf-lovers] The Other

colbert (11/10/82)

Boba Fett is the OTHER.  (S)he is the only person to stand up to Darth
and get away with it.

			>Torve the Trog<
			pyuxjj!colbert

perry (11/24/82)

	I really hate to bother everyone with one more note about who the
"Other" that  Yoda  alludes  to  in  tEST. But, I  mailed   something  to
net.sf-lovers along time ago (when this subject was  fresh)  and recently
learned that our uucp was on the fritz so the message never left my site.
So, here we go again...


	Some people have suggested, and I agree,  that the "Other" is non
other (sorry)  then  Boba Fett, the bounty hunter. I feel this to be true 
for a number of reasons:

	o	What about Han? We all would agree that he is too dashing
		a rogue to be butchered while hanging around in  a  block
		of ice! Boba Fett  will  thaw  poor  Han  and  discretely
		insert him back into the warmer set.

	o	Lets say you were a Jedi of immense stature you were not
		sure  if  others  on  your  side were still around. What
		better guise  to operate under  then  a  friend  of  the
		Empire, be  someone so nasty as to place yourself out of
		suspicion?

	o	Why did Vader put up  with  the  insolence of Boba Fett?
		Two  possibilities.  First, perhaps Vader considered the
		role Fett  was  playing  (carting  away  Han  Solo)  was 
		important enough to put up with some gruff. Not  likely.
		Vader really couldn't give a bleep what happened to Han.
		Second,  improbable    but    interesting,   Vader   was
		manipulated via  the  force by Fett into agreeing. Vader 
		would never suspect that he was manipulated since to his
		knowledge he is the top Living Jedi.

	Well,  who knows - maybe Ol' Darth will have a change of hearth,
	uh, heart. We'll see next summer won't we.


			perry kivolowitz
			(allegra | floyd) ! sbcs ! perry

mem (11/26/82)

c
Interesting theory (about Boba Fett).  I didn't get any impression,
though, that Darth Vader was putting up with any insolence from him.
And it certainly isn't the case that Darth thinks he is the top living
Jedi; remember how he admits that the Emperor is stronger.  First in
the communication with the Emperor (The emp indicated as how he felt
a strong presence in the Force, Darth agrees, all the while kneeling).
Next in his conversation during the battle with Luke, Darth says
something to the effect that the Emperor knew that if they (Darth
and Luke) joined forces, they would be stronger than the Emperor.
Thus, an admission of being weaker than the Emperor.

Mark E. Mallett

FtG (11/26/82)

Here's one vote for Other=Leia. Other suggestions seem ludicrous.
Question: why did Leia know to turn back to rescue Luke?
Question: Why has Luke and Leia been like brother-sister (hence
          Hans as the romantic interest)?
Question: Why is it "princess" Leia, i.e. role of royalty/Jedi future
          rulers of empire after successful revolution????
You can send congrats on insight next may to...
                            FtG at rocheste

bstempleton (11/27/82)

Vader is not the top living Jedi in any way, and he knows it:
1) He defers to the emperor (my master) quite clearly.
2) It is unknown who would have won the vader-obiwan fight if obiwan had
not given up the fight to enter this higher plane he is in.  If obiwan
could have beaten vader, then Yoda could too.

If the Other was on the cloud city, and yoda could not see the fate of those
there when luke left, then they should have had some concern that all their
eggs were in one basket.  This gives support to the idea that the other
is not from the group of central characters, but it could also be Lando,
who the ROTJ trailer says plays a big part in the third movie.

Remember:  Yoda thought Luke was too old for Jedi Training and accepted him
because he had already learned from ob1 and the rebels.

honton (12/01/82)

  Concerening the "other", my favorite is Darth Vader himself.  He really
isn't that bad of guy.  Consider: In Star Wars IV "A New Hope", he prevents
Princess Leia from being executed.  He makes a martyr out of Obi Wan,
(elevating him to a higher plane.)  He doesn't even stop the rebels from
destroying the Death Star.

  Other considerations would be to take into account that he may be able to
fight the empire from within and this bad guy image is a disguise. (If Darth
really did hunt down all the Jedi, he did a pretty poor job)  He may also
be won back to the good side of the force. (When Yoda talks of another hope,
doeas he make it seem like a new person, or maybe one who will change sides?)

  Another thing, remember that the Jedi fought together in the clone wars?
Perhaps Darth really is the clone of Luke's father.

  My final thought, If Darth does not go through some sort of change, why
is there a partial "unveiling" in the Empire Strikes Back?

   				Just trying out some thoughts,
					chas (..!decvax!cwruecmp!honton)

gk (12/03/82)

Another thought on Vader being "The Other."

What other SW character is as effective at removing the high command
of the Empire Navy?

Personally though, my vote is for Boba Fett


--Gregg--

..ucbvax!hpda!gk

pha (12/05/82)

Did it ever occur to any of you out there that "the other" might

be a character not yet introduced?

It's possible!

Nevertheless, I elect either Boba Fett or Luke's Father's good clone.

					Paul Anderson
					sdcsvax!sdchema!pha

LS.SRB@MIT-EECS (12/08/82)

From: Stephen R Balzac <LS.SRB at MIT-EECS at MIT-MULTICS>
In reality, the other is Kim Kinnison (the Gray Lensman, from Doc 
Smith's books), who will drop in via Hyper-Spatial tube with Mentor right
behind him, and Richard Seaton in the Skylark of Valeron to back them up.
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colbert (12/16/82)

The Other is...


E.T.!

pyuxjj!colbert
Charles Colbert

claus (12/16/82)

	I've been reading arguments on who the 'OTHER' is for the
last month and would like to ask a general question.  Have all nine
parts of the Star Wars series(three sets of trilogies) already been
outlined by George Lucas, or is he just making this up as he goes
along?   If someone else takes over the production of the next movie
in the series will this result in inconsistenties?  And, if the
outline for the entire story does exist, how difficult would it be to
obtain it?  Well I guess I asked three questions instead of one,
but I am really interested in what anyone thinks about this?
	Thanks in advance.
				Dave Claus
				BTL/ABI Indy

LS.SRB@MIT-EECS@MIT-MC (12/16/82)

From:  Stephen R Balzac <LS.SRB at MIT-EECS at MIT-MC>

In light of the increasingly ridiculous suggestions as to who the Other
is, I am going to submit a number of possible suggestions for the other, none of
whom have appeared in either movie, although most people will be familiar with
the names mentioned.  I will submit one per day until I go home for christmas
break.  The first one is:

Bugs Bunny.

Bugs Bunny is obviously capable of being the other.  He is capable of dodging
bullets (obviously a master of the force).  He always knows when someone is
out hunting him, and can influence their minds to believe that its really duck
season.  All this shows that he is obviously a Greater Master than Luke or
Vader.
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alb (05/10/83)

Actually, the Other is Greedo, who, after being fried by
Han Solo, will appear in an Obi-Wan like role.