[net.sf-lovers] the government against space

trc@houca.UUCP (10/17/83)

Response to Scott Preece:

Scott - I hope you did not intentionally quote me out of context - if you
read my original note again, you will see that the $10,000,000 would have
been used to "sponsor research into space technology, with an eye towards 
grabbing up some basic patents".  That is a far cry from an attempt to 
"establish a space project".

And regardless of the fact that it might only cost $10 per person, if
those people dont want their money spent that way, how does the government
claim to be justified in doing so?  And even if the goverment is "smart"
enough to know better than all those people, why should it not just take
an "advocacy" stance?  (I would oppose even that, but at least it cuts
the amount spent way back.)  Would you want the government to spend $1E9 
to research astrology or reincarnation?  I agree that there is more validity 
to going into space - but does that justify forcing someone to support a 
"pet" project?

I do agree with you on one point - it would "involve huge legal hassles over
whether [the very biggest companies] should be allowed to cooperate that way."
What is the source of those legal hassles?  The very government that you say
is the only one that could manage to get us into space.  Drop all those
restrictions, and *then* see if there is any interest in a space project,
combining efforts.  If the government *needs* space (as for national defense
purposes) it would certainly be valid for it to tax to pay for it.  But it
should not do it just because the private sector "cant" do it.  In fact, I
would propose a general rule of thumb - any time that a project is too big
for anyone but the government, the government has gotten too big.

Finally, one last argument - that of exponentiating.  Government efforts are
non-profit, and so they can only add $X to the development of space, each year.
Private efforts would be for-profit.  So, perhaps there would only be $.0X
invested the first year, but it would build up.  You know the old story of
the boy offered $1.00 more a day, or $.01, $.02, $.04 .....  In the case of
the government, it is even worse - the boy would just get $1.00 each day,
with few increases, and cuts likely at exactly the points of greatest need.
Would you prefer linear or exponential growth?

	Tom Craver
	houca!trc

preece@uicsl.UUCP (10/21/83)

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uicsl!preece    Oct 20 09:38:00 1983

[This discussion has nothing much to do with SF and would be better placed
in net.space, but here it began, so here it remains...]

									if you
	read my original note again, you will see that the $10,000,000 would
	have been used to "sponsor research...
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Well, the way you phrased it did not really limit the scope of the investment
to the preceding sentence, but even granting your intent, $10M won't buy
an awful lot of research, either. I'd be happy to see somebody do this, and
I'd probably invest, if it looked like they were doing something likely
to be productive.
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	And regardless of the fact that it might only cost $10 per person, if
	those people dont want their money spent that way, how does the
	government claim to be justified in doing so?
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Because the government consists of our elected REPRESENTATIVES. Read that
word carefully and remember it's supposed to be taken literally. The people
gathered in congress are there to act on your behalf. That's what they're
for.
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	I do agree with you on one point - it would "involve huge legal
	hassles over whether [the very biggest companies] should be allowed
	to cooperate that way." What is the source of those legal hassles?
	The very government that you say is the only one that could manage
	to get us into space.
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Would you really like to drop the anti-trust laws? They really were created
in response to serious abuses. Do you think AT&T would have let you connect
your non-Bell modem to their wires without those laws? It's very hard (read
IMPOSSIBLE) to recast those laws so that they automatically permit
innovative joint ventures without opening up opportunities for abuse. Given
my choice between the liberal tendency to regulate corporations and the
conservative tendency to regulate people, I'll choose the former. The
corporations have a degree of power that scares me.
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	I would propose a general rule of thumb - any time that a project is
	too big for anyone but the government, the government has gotten too
	big. ... Government efforts are non-profit, and so they can only add
	$X to the development of space, each year. Private efforts would be
	for-profit.  So, ... but it would build up.
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The simple, obvious difference is that a government can use the leverage it
has, due to the number of shareholders it has, to spread huge risks out.
Private industry doesn't have the freedom to risk immense amounts of money
unless the return is virtually guaranteed. Space is not yet that secure an
investment.  Drug companies would not have spent the money it cost to build
the shuttle just to test free fall electrophoresis. Now that it appears to
work, they're interested in developing facilities in space.

I think the United States should build a space station and make its
facilities available to private industry, for limited periods of time, for
the cost of operation (that is, the whole country swallows the start-up costs
of building the station). After a specified time a commercial venture
would have to leave.  If space industry works, those successful ventures
could get facilities built, because the risk would then be reasonable.

scott preece
pur-ee!uiucdcs!uicsl!preece

eich@uiuccsb.UUCP (10/23/83)

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uiuccsb!eich    Oct 21 05:50:00 1983


Gee, I didn't know that I was a share-holder in the Federal Government, Inc.
Can I sell my stock before April 15th (and where are my dividends?)  Maybe
this exchange belongs in net.politics.