jack@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Mr Jack Campin) (06/30/88)
I have not subscribed to this group before, so I have missed any previous
discussion of this, I am sure, much-asked question.
What is the best m2 compiler for the Sun 3? It must:
- generate native code
- be stable (not being beta-tested on paying customers)
- be good at supporting low-level gunge (inc. cross-calling to
assembler and C)
- have good and well-documented libraries
- specify its semantics a LOT better than Wirth's manuals do.
Price is not particularly important, quality IS. The last ounce of efficiency
in code generation is nowhere near as important as the absence of semantic
boobytraps.
Does this thing exist?
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In article <1442@crete.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Mr Jack Campin) writes: >I have not subscribed to this group before, so I have missed any previous >discussion of this, I am sure, much-asked question. > >What is the best m2 compiler for the Sun 3? It must: > - generate native code > - be stable (not being beta-tested on paying customers) > - be good at supporting low-level gunge (inc. cross-calling to > assembler and C) > - have good and well-documented libraries Yes such a compiler exists. It is called MOCKA and was developed by Franz Engelmann at GMD. GMD started marketing at a very low level and sold the whole know-how (including Franz Engelmann, who is member of the ISO Modula-2 working group) to another company in Germany. These people seem not to like Modula-2, it's a pity! We tried to sell this compiler but we usually didn't get replies on our letters and after meetings not before the third reminder. It seems that this excellent compiler is lost for the market. Compared to the Sun M2 compiler from Sun themselves MOCKA is/was about 3-4 times faster compiling and about 30% in execution time. The comparison was made in December 1987. The look and feel is also much better. Let's hope that MOCKA still will come. We have no comparison with the Oregon Sun M2 compiler, but it looks like we would have to go with this compiler only, at least after a nice meeting with Randy Bush last Friday night in Zurich. Kind regards ..... Albert Meier Tel. +41/1/700 30 37 .. .... A+L AG, Im Spaeten 23, CH-8906 Bonstetten .. .... .......A+L. E-Mail aplusl@ifi.ethz.(ch/UUCP) .. ....... ...mcvax!cernvax!ethz!aplusl
landwehr@gmdka.UUCP (Rudolf Landwehr) (07/20/88)
In article <494@ethz.UUCP>, aplusl@ethz.UUCP (Albert Meier) writes: > In article <1442@crete.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Mr Jack Campin) writes: > >What is the best m2 compiler for the Sun 3? It must: > >.... > > Yes such a compiler exists. It is called MOCKA and was developed by > ... > ... It seems that this excellent > compiler is lost for the market. > ... Some remarks on this: - The MOCKA system (MOdula Compiler KArlsruhe) was developed at GMD Karlsruhe by Friedrich Wilhelm Schroeer, Dirk Schwarz and Franz Engelmann. GMD is a German national research center on computer science. - The German company that is (or it seems should be) selling the MOCKA system is 2i Industrial Informatics GmbH Haierweg 20e D-7800 Freiburg i.Br. Phone: (49) 761-42257 - GMD itself is not able to provide customer support and service. Scientific institutions can obtain an unsupported version of the MOCKA system directly from GMD. For details contact schroeer@karlsruhe.gmd.dbp.de or schroeer@gmdka.uucp Rudolf Landwehr GMD Karlsruhe
michael@pbinfo.uucp (Michael Schmidt) (07/21/88)
Yet another vote.
I worked with a very early release of this compiler and really
enjoyed it. Fast and good!
Try to get it.
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Mail: michael@pbinfo.UUCP or michael%pbinfo@uunet.uu.netaplusl@ethz.UUCP (Albert Meier) (07/25/88)
We got now (finally) a pack of information stuff from the MOCKA people.
Whom shall we send some? (per paper mail)
..... Albert Meier Tel. +41/1/700 30 37
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