marty@june.cs.washington.edu (Marty Sirkin) (10/01/88)
The subject line says it all!! After being told by Borland that the product
(along with the debugger) wouldn't ship until October (and we know how good
Borland is at making a deadline), the package arrived this morning. I
haven't had any time to play with it yet, save to notice a few small items:
1) The manuals are *ugly* (personal opinion here).
2) .TPU files are a different format than before. So all of the .TPU files
you have (without source code to recompile) are worthless.
3) No "conversion" is needed from 4.0 to 5.0 (but there is still a new
conversion program for 3.x --> 5.0).
4) Many of the compiler switches have changed. Same letters, different
meanings. Check your old programs when you recompile.
More later, I'm sure.
Marty Sirkinyelorose@juniper.uucp (Bob Mosley III) (10/06/88)
...ok, now for the 64,000 Quatloo qestion: ...Did Borland reinstall those nice things called overlays? ....howabout .CHN files? ...and finally, does anyone know if Borland had some sort of trade-in offer for ugrading from 4.0 to 5.0? OM
swarbric@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Frank Swarbrick) (10/07/88)
In article <5214@juniper.uucp> yelorose@juniper.UUCP (Bob Mosley III) writes: >...Did Borland reinstall those nice things called overlays? Yes. >....howabout .CHN files? No, but you don't really need them since you can just EXEC files. >...and finally, does anyone know if Borland had some sort of trade-in offer >for ugrading from 4.0 to 5.0? Yes, $49.95 (I think) if you just want TP 5.0 (with the built in debugger) and $99.95 if you want TP 5.0 with the built in debugger, the external debugger, and Turbo Assembler. Didn't you get the late-great Turbo Technix? Frank Swarbrick (and, yes, the net.cat) University Of Colorado, Boulder swarbric@tramp.Colorado.EDU ....!{ncar|nbires}!boulder!tramp!swarbric "For a hill men would kill--Why? They do not know" --Metallica
dgr0093@ritcv.UUCP (Michelangelo H. Jones) (10/07/88)
In article <5214@juniper.uucp> yelorose@juniper.UUCP (Bob Mosley III) writes: >...Did Borland reinstall those nice things called overlays? >....howabout .CHN files? >...and finally, does anyone know if Borland had some sort of trade-in offer >for ugrading from 4.0 to 5.0? Briefly, yes, no, and yes. Overlays work differently in that your program must explicitly load in the overlay file. As for the upgrade, pick up your latest copy of Turbo Technix or the next-to-most-current of PC Mag. Jones.
yelorose@juniper.uucp (Bob Mosley III) (10/07/88)
In article <3902@boulder.Colorado.EDU> swarbric@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Frank Swarbrick) writes: >In article <5214@juniper.uucp> yelorose@juniper.UUCP (Bob Mosley III) writes: > >>....howabout .CHN files? > >No, but you don't really need them since you can just EXEC files. ...the reason I asked about .CHN's is that I've found they work somewhat better with the bulletin board program I run (less chance of hangup when switching out). Oh well, at least the overlays are back, that'll help with my memory size problems. >>...and finally, does anyone know if Borland had some sort of trade-in offer >>for ugrading from 4.0 to 5.0? > >Yes, $49.95 (I think) if you just want TP 5.0 (with the built in debugger) >and $99.95 if you want TP 5.0 with the built in debugger, the external >debugger, and Turbo Assembler. ...hmmm, that's not too much less than what I paid for 4.0. Does this also include the Manuals? >Didn't you get the late-great Turbo Technix? ...not a one. I sent in my registration too, those smarmy bastards! OM
hirayama@suvax1.UUCP (Pat Hirayama) (10/08/88)
From article <5214@juniper.uucp>, by yelorose@juniper.uucp (Bob Mosley III): > > ...ok, now for the 64,000 Quatloo qestion: > > ...Did Borland reinstall those nice things called overlays? YES! Except that now it is based on units. (and, should therefore be faster). Borland also claims smarter. > > ....howabout .CHN files? > Don't think so..... > ...and finally, does anyone know if Borland had some sort of trade-in offer > for ugrading from 4.0 to 5.0? Registered owners of Turbo Pascal can upgrade to 5.0 w/manual for $49.95 plus the serial number of their old TP disks. The interesting thing is that the wording, or lack thereof, would seem to imply that 3.0 owners can also upgrade for this price. Oh, and if you purchased TP 4.0 (or TC 1.5) between July 1 and Aug 31, you can upgrade for $24.95. Other prices: Turbo Pascal 5.0 Professional (incl. Turbo Assembler and Turbo Debugger)......................................$99.95 Turbo C 2.0 Professional (incl. Turbo Assembler and Turbo Debugger)..........................................$99.95 Turbo Pascal 5.0 and Turbo C 2.0 plus Turbo Assembler and Turbo Debugger......................................$149.95 Turbo Pascal 5.0 Runtime Library........................$125.00 Turbo C 2.0 Runtime Library.............................$125.00 Turbo C Runtime Library (upgrade from RL for 1.5).......$ 50.00 Oh yeah, $5.00 per product s/h. Plus sales tax if you are in CA or MA. As for new features (in TP 5.0): * Borland Integrated Debugger. * EMS Memory support * Overlays will run 'smarter and faster'. * The editor buffer will be placed here as well, thereby giving you another 64K of DOS for the Integrated Environment and your application. * Units can have private USES statemsnts in the IMPLEMENTATION section. * Some addition routines in the DOS unit for parsing/reading environment. * 'procedural types' * Data items are now aligned on the stack on machine word boundaries (therfore, it should be faster). * Emulation of math co-processor, thereby allowing support for Single, Double, Extended and Comp IEEE Numeric types. * Constant expressions can now contain expressions with previously defined constants, math, logical, bitwise and set operators. * BGI is supposed to be better. * Support for stand-alone Turbo Debugger. All of the above info is from the Sept/Oct issue of Turbo Technix. Now first-hand report yet as I wait for Borland to fill out my order. Oh well. No doubt, some of you out there can fill us in......... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Pat Hirayama: ..!uw-entropy!{dataio,thebes}!suvax1!hirayama Internet: suvax1!hirayama@entropy.ms.washington.edu USNail: 28625-47th Place South, Auburn, WA 98001-1140 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
leonard@bucket.UUCP (Leonard Erickson) (10/09/88)
In article <5214@juniper.uucp> yelorose@juniper.UUCP (Bob Mosley III) writes:
<...Did Borland reinstall those nice things called overlays?
Yes. I'm not sure of the exact details, but I've been told that you declare
units as overlays or some such thing... seems reasonable.
<....howabout .CHN files?
Not that I've heard, but then you are the first person I've heard ask for
CHN files to be restored. There were *lots* of people who asked for
overlays...
<...and finally, does anyone know if Borland had some sort of trade-in offer
<for ugrading from 4.0 to 5.0?
Yeah, it's $49.95 to upgrade from 4.0 to 5.0. $99.95 if you want them to
throw in the assembler (you get the debugger either way). You don't need
new versions of the TP4.0 toolboxes.
--
Leonard Erickson ...!tektronix!reed!percival!bucket!leonard
CIS: [70465,203]
"I used to be a hacker. Now I'm a 'microcomputer specialist'.
You know... I'd rather be a hacker."swarbric@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Frank Swarbrick) (10/11/88)
In article <5243@juniper.uucp> yelorose@juniper.UUCP (Bob Mosley III) writes: >In article <3902@boulder.Colorado.EDU> swarbric@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Frank Swarbrick) writes: >...the reason I asked about .CHN's is that I've found they work somewhat >better with the bulletin board program I run (less chance of hangup when >switching out). Strange... But, whatever you say... >Oh well, at least the overlays are back, that'll help with my memory size >problems. I wish Turbo C had overlays! >>Yes, $49.95 (I think) if you just want TP 5.0 (with the built in debugger) >>and $99.95 if you want TP 5.0 with the built in debugger, the external >>debugger, and Turbo Assembler. > >...hmmm, that's not too much less than what I paid for 4.0. Does this also >include the Manuals? Just Turbo Pascal 5.0 comes with upgrade manuals (or so I've been told). Turbo Pascal Professional (the one with the assembler and debugger) comes with a whole new set of manuals. >>Didn't you get the late-great Turbo Technix? > >...not a one. I sent in my registration too, those smarmy bastards! Well, you didn't miss out on that much. It had it's moments, but mostly wasn't that great. And now it's gone forever (or so they say...). Strange, though, that the only info on the upgrade was in the mag. Usually they also send out an announcement by itself. Hmm... Frank Swarbrick (and, yes, the net.cat) University Of Colorado, Boulder swarbric@tramp.Colorado.EDU ....!{ncar|nbires}!boulder!tramp!swarbric "For a hill men would kill--Why? They do not know" --Metallica
csz@well.UUCP (Carter Scholz) (10/11/88)
"Turbo Pascal 5.0 arrives" is an overstatement.
I called Borland today and placed my upgrade order. *After* taking
all the info, the gent said, "We'll be shipping in about four weeks,
and we won't charge your VISA till then."
Nice of them, but a bit disingenuous.shurr@cbnews.ATT.COM (Larry A. Shurr) (10/12/88)
In article <7346@well.UUCP> csz@well.UUCP (Carter Scholz) writes: > > >"Turbo Pascal 5.0 arrives" is an overstatement. > I called Borland today and placed my upgrade order. *After* taking >all the info, the gent said, "We'll be shipping in about four weeks, >and we won't charge your VISA till then." > Nice of them, but a bit disingenuous. That's probably not going to turn out as bad as it sounds. I received my upgrade package two weeks after mailing in my upgrade card. regards, Larry -- Signed: Larry A. Shurr (att!cbnews!shurr or osu-cis!apr!las) Clever signature, Wonderful wit, Outdo the others, Be a big hit! - Burma Shave (Groan! With apologies to the real thing. Above represents my views only.)
marty@june.cs.washington.edu (Marty Sirkin) (10/12/88)
In article <7346@well.UUCP>, csz@well.UUCP (Carter Scholz) writes: > "Turbo Pascal 5.0 arrives" is an overstatement. Since I wrote it, I should know. It's not. > I called Borland today and placed my upgrade order. *After* taking > all the info, the gent said, "We'll be shipping in about four weeks, > and we won't charge your VISA till then." > Nice of them, but a bit disingenuous. Not really. They are trying to be honest about it. When I called they said the same thing. I got my 5.0 (it arrived, you see) 5 days later. I'm surprised, but pleased. First time I've gotten anything from Borland OR Microsoft *before* they said it would arrive. Marty Sirkin
gmat@wuibc.UUCP (Gregory Martin Amaya Tormo) (10/19/88)
Turbo Pascal 5.0 IS shipping, as well as TC 2.0, and TA and TDB 1.0. It is taking many weeks simply because demand is so high. Be patient. When you sell a fantastic program, there is fantastic demand, and consequently, fantastic delay. David Deitch, Computer Connection dwd0238@wucec3.wustl.bitnet Fido 1:100/22
gmat@wuibc.UUCP (Gregory Martin Amaya Tormo) (10/19/88)
Looks like I put my foot in it. Great disappointment. Fare the well, Turbo Technix, I knew the well. David Deitch, Computer Connection dwd0238@wucec3.wustl.bitnet Fido 1:100/22
dmurdoch@watdcsu.waterloo.edu (D.J. Murdoch - Statistics) (10/20/88)
In article <310@wuibc.UUCP> dwd0238@wucec3.wustl.edu (David Deitch) writes: > > Turbo Pascal 5.0 IS shipping, as well as TC 2.0, and TA and TDB >1.0. It is taking many weeks simply because demand is so high. Be If you live in Canada, you should also be aware that Borland expects a 3 WEEK delivery time from their couriers. They won't start tracing a shipment until 4 weeks after they send it out. Since they charge your credit card on the day they ship, this may put you (it put me) in the position of having the charge show up before the package does. Why didn't they tell me that when I ordered? Signed, Impatient