gt3070b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeff Watkins) (06/10/90)
Well, I have gotten some mail asking for help using the units I posted and made available via ftp (duke.gatech.edu /pub/attlab/pascal.units). I will be working on a Doc file after final exams are finished (I'll start about the 20th of June) and I return home and start working again. Unfortunately, very few of the programs I have written for use with the text graphics libraries can be distributed. Most contain proprietary code often device specific code (ie Pascal interface to ISI WORM disk) that is not for release. I do however have a text font designer that runs under my graphics libraries that I can release, as well as several demo programs that make use of the "multiprogramming" of GWin. I will post those as soon as I am able. Perhaps even make them available from the ftp site. Until then... ciao jeff ps any news on a Turbo Pascal for Windows 3.0?!?! I wanna write windows apps but noone wants to tell me how! Damn frustrating. I wish those pricks at *Macro*soft weren't so secretive. There would be a helluva lot of good apps if hackers could play with the things... -- Jeff Watkins gt3070b@prism.gatech.edu "All opinions are mine... so don't even think of keeping some to yourself!"
shurr@cbnews.att.com (Larry A. Shurr) (06/13/90)
In article <10303@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt3070b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeff Watkins) writes: >ps any news on a Turbo Pascal for Windows 3.0?!?! I wanna write windows apps >but noone wants to tell me how! Damn frustrating. I wish those pricks at >*Macro*soft weren't so secretive. There would be a helluva lot of good apps >if hackers could play with the things... According to a note posted in the newsgroup comp.sys.ibm.pc.programmer by David Intersimone (davidi@well.sf.ca.us), whose signature says that he is the Director of Developer Relations, Borland will support both Windows and OS/2 in future product releases. The note was posted in response to a query regarding Windows and OS/2 support in the recently released Turbo C++ product (HOLD IT! Put those rocks, tomatoes, and flame throwers down or I'll enter the MRR (Massive Retaliatory Response) command on my VAX 8840! :-), I know that this is the Pascal newsgroup, but we're all grownups here, aren't we?... well aren't we?). Although the note was written in response to a C++ query, I do not interpret the response to imply that only C++ will support Windows and OS/2. On your other issue, while I will not defend the... uhhh... folks..., yeh, folks at MicroSoft from the charge of secretiveness, I think that the root cause of your complaint may be more akin to greed and lack of responsiveness to the market. I.e., charging high prices for Windows software development kits in an effort to make the kits pay their way instead of simply supplying Windows support in their language products and publishing Windows programming information in order to encourage Windows development and thereby encourage Windows sales. If I'm right, the situation is akin to Texas Instruments' ill-fated development requirements for the old 99/4 home computer: you couldn't use the 99/4 for development at all (some would say simply that the 99/4 was useless), you were expected to buy a TI 990 minicomputer on which to run the development tools!!! Now we may be in a period of transition where the market now wants to develop software for Windows (now that 3.0 is here) causing language makers such as Borland to acquire the necessary information and make the necessary changes in their products to support such efforts. Hope- fully, MicroSoft will wish to be more forthcoming on this matter, as well. (Come on guys! You wanna sell more packages or do you just want to play "I've Got a Secret?"). At one time, Microsoft's licenses required a royalty payment on each copy sold of any program developed using a Microsoft language product (actually, any program which incor- porated their runtime library support). The market said "no" and Microsoft went along... eventually. regards, Larry -- Signed: Larry A. Shurr (cbnmva!las@att.ATT.COM or att!cbnmva!las) My psuedo-Burma Shave .signature has served me long and well and has been retired. A new .signature is now under consideration. This posting reflects my opinions, not those of AGS or AT&T, but you knew that)
rogerson@PEDEV.Columbia.NCR.COM (Dale Rogerson) (06/15/90)
In article <1990Jun12.181121.180@cbnews.att.com> shurr@cbnews.att.com (Larry A. Shurr) writes: >In article <10303@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt3070b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeff Watkins) writes: >>ps any news on a Turbo Pascal for Windows 3.0?!?! I wanna write windows apps >>but noone wants to tell me how! Damn frustrating. I wish those pricks at >>*Macro*soft weren't so secretive. There would be a helluva lot of good apps >>if hackers could play with the things... >According to a note posted in the newsgroup comp.sys.ibm.pc.programmer >by David Intersimone (davidi@well.sf.ca.us), whose signature says that >he is the Director of Developer Relations, Borland will support both >Windows and OS/2 in future product releases. The note was posted in >response to a query regarding Windows and OS/2 support in the recently >released Turbo C++ product I talked to one of the phone support people and they said that the company was committed to offering all of its products for both Windows and OS/2. He did not know when this would happen. An advertisment in PC Magazine also said the same thing. However, even when this happens you will still probably need the SDK. >yeh, folks at MicroSoft from the charge of secretiveness, I think that >the root cause of your complaint may be more akin to greed and lack of >responsiveness to the market. I.e., charging high prices for Windows >software development kits in an effort to make the kits pay their way >instead of simply supplying Windows support in their language products >and publishing Windows programming information in order to encourage >Windows development and thereby encourage Windows sales. I am not sure what secrets Microsoft has about Windows or OS/2 code generation. Most of what you need to know is printed in Charles Petzold's book _Programming for Windows_. There are plenty of languages out there which support Windows (and OS/2) programming. A few of them are: Stony Brook Modula 2 Topspeed Modula 2 Zortech C++ Objective-C (Stepstone?) Watcom C Compiler Lattice C Compiler C_Talk/Views Actor. These are just the ones I can name off the top of my head. So if there is some secret, all of these guys know it. -----Dale Rogerson-----
gt3070b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeff Watkins) (06/28/90)
Well, would you all please move this discussion to a new subject header, please. I started all this with a juvenile (sp?) insult, had a short email discussion with a microsoft guy, and now am biding my time until I can save some money or someone comes up with a package better than Actor. I am still working on the Documentation files for my units and will distribute them as they become available. I am using windows Write to compose them and will post both the .wri and .txt files to attlab.gatech.edu when they are done. So, if you feel the uncontrollable urge to argue about the merits/definitions of hackers, please do so under a different heading. Someone may have an actual question about the units and as I have gotten into the habit of killing the subject, I would never get to answer. My time is VERY EXPENSIVE (long distance from West Palm Beach to Atlanta) and I don't like wasting it reading postings by people who disagree, especially over such a trivial subject as whether a hacker is an expert programmer or a lousy programmer, or whether any given hacker would prefer an assortment of dried fruits or a 1lb bag of Nachos. ciao jeff -- Jeff Watkins gt3070b@prism.gatech.edu "All opinions are mine... so don't even think of keeping some to yourself!"