kushmer@bnlux1.bnl.gov (christopher kushmerick) (03/29/91)
Is there a turbo pascal version for the Mac? Are the run time library calls the same? Ie would a graphics intensive program compile and run on the mac with little effort. If no turbo pascal on the mac, then what pascal do people use on the Mac? Here is the deal: I have a couple of programs that I would like to offer for the mac. Currently they only run under msdos. They are written in turbo pascal, and use turbo pascal run time library calls for graphics. Any help is appreciated. -Chris -- Chris Kushmerick kciremhsuK sirhC kushmer@bnlux1.bnl.gov <===Try this one first kushmerick@pofvax.sunysb.edu
mrhoten@neon.Stanford.EDU (Matthew Paul Rhoten) (03/29/91)
In article <1991Mar28.211620.11901@bnlux1.bnl.gov> kushmer@bnlux1.bnl.gov (christopher kushmerick) writes: >Is there a turbo pascal version for the Mac? >If no turbo pascal on the mac, then what pascal do people use on the Mac? >[...] >-Chris >kushmer@bnlux1.bnl.gov As far as I know Borland hasn't written up Turbo for the Mac. The only two Pascal compilers of note are really Think Pascal and MPW Pascal. Think Pascal has a source-level debugger to die for, object support (and an extremely extensive class library which gives a lot of interface for free); it also generates decent code. Additionally it has excellent support for Macintosh-specific routines. MPW has a rather nice shell, and can be integrated with other languages with minimal effort - you can buy lots of neato chunks for MPW, besides Pascal. It also compiles in the background, and can do Object Pascal as well. Think is distributed by: Symantec Corp. 10201 Torre Avenue Cupertino, CA 95014 (408) 253-9600 MPW is distributed by: APDA Apple Computer, Inc. 20525 Mariani Avenue, M/S 33-G Cupertino, CA 95014-6299 1-800-282-2732 (orders) Sprinkle in some (tm)'s in the above, I suppose. Anyway, I've used both of these compilers, and they're both quite good. If you care, I use Think for my development, mostly because I don't own MPW Pascal, just the 68K assembler. Check them both out. -matt PS I work for no one mentioned here, take this stuff 'as is'. -- Matt Rhoten | PO Box 10031 | Standard disclaimers apply. mrhoten@cs.stanford.edu | Stanford, CA 94309 | (415) 497-2853 | veni vidi vomui
ejbehr@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Eric Behr) (03/29/91)
kushmer@bnlux1.bnl.gov (christopher kushmerick) writes: >Is there a turbo pascal version for the Mac? Sure, Borland makes it, I've owned it for a few years; fast I/O compared to others. If you ask me, jump on another bandwagon. Borland seems to have forgotten their Apple software. I used to call them - no answer. I am a registered user - no mailings/updates. Like a boring uncle with whom you lost touch. They will probably sue me. Get Think or MPW. E. -- Eric Behr, Illinois State University, Mathematics Department Internet: ejbehr@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu Bitnet: ebehr@ilstu
milne@ics.uci.edu (Alastair Milne) (03/29/91)
In <1991Mar29.023857.17000@neon.Stanford.EDU> mrhoten@neon.Stanford.EDU (Matthew Paul Rhoten) writes: >In article <1991Mar28.211620.11901@bnlux1.bnl.gov> >kushmer@bnlux1.bnl.gov (christopher kushmerick) writes: >>Is there a turbo pascal version for the Mac? >>If no turbo pascal on the mac, then what pascal do people use on the Mac? >As far as I know Borland hasn't written up Turbo for the Mac. Yes they have, actually, but some time ago. It's Turbo Pascal 1.1 for the Mac. Tolerable, not great. It's old enough that it only gets on partially with Multifinder. I get past that by compiling to disc, then running straight from Multifinder, rather than from within Turbo. I don't know if Borland is still selling it. Although by itself it looks quite different from the PC version of Turbo -- to be expected -- Borland does supply a compatibility unit which I believe is supposed to supply the calls that DOS-ported Turbo would use. But I haven't tried it myself, so I can't say much about it. Turbo 1.1 does have one reasonably sensible addition: a unit which, when used, creates an 80x25 window and directs Turbo's 'standard in' and 'standard out' to it. Nice way to start development of a new program, and especially to do trivial little programs you'll throw away after a couple of uses. For larger programs, you can disable this unit as soon as you've got your own windows in good order. Alastair Milne
eldred@rrunner.jpl.nasa.gov (Dan Eldred) (03/29/91)
In article <1991Mar29.023857.17000@neon.Stanford.EDU> mrhoten@neon.Stanford.EDU (Matthew Paul Rhoten) writes: >In article <1991Mar28.211620.11901@bnlux1.bnl.gov> >kushmer@bnlux1.bnl.gov (christopher kushmerick) writes: >>If no turbo pascal on the mac, then what pascal do people use on the Mac? Borland *DID* sell Turbo-Pascal for the mac a while back--about 4 years ago. I don't they ever sold anything past version 1.1, which doesn't work under multinder. Nevertheless, Turbo-Pascal was pretty darn good, and I am mystified why they chose to not maintain it. ------------------------------------------------------------------- --Dan eldred@csi.jpl.nasa.gov -------------------------------------------------------------------
A1.RJS@isumvs.iastate.edu ( Ricardo Salvador) (03/30/91)
eldred@rrunner.jpl.nasa.gov "Dan Eldred" says: >In article <1991Mar29.023857.17000@neon.Stanford.EDU> >mrhoten@neon.Stanford.EDU (Matthew Paul Rhoten) writes: >>In article <1991Mar28.211620.11901@bnlux1.bnl.gov> >>kushmer@bnlux1.bnl.gov (christopher kushmerick) writes: >>>If no turbo pascal on the mac, then what pascal do people use on >>>the Mac? >Borland *DID* sell Turbo-Pascal for the mac a while back--about 4 >years ago. I don't they ever sold anything past version 1.1, which >doesn't work under multinder. Nevertheless, Turbo-Pascal was pretty >darn good, and I am mystified why they chose to not maintain it. I don't know either, although they _claim_ that they still support owners of the original Mac TP. They do so via telephone (very narrow window of available hours on CLT (California Laid-back Time), from 12:00 to 5:00 if I remember correctly. The CompuServe support consists mainly of a beleaguered sysop who once used Mac TP and can whimper along with you over the fact it is no longer an active product. I have version 1.1 but the fact that it is not MultiFinder friendly keeps it on the shelf. Think Pascal is a great compiler. OOP support and a huge library of objects for GUI stuff are very nice (whole thing occupies 4.5 Mb on hard disk, but the compiler itself only takes up about 0.5 Mb.) Also, the associated on-line tutorial (Just Enough Pascal) is a very good way to learn the system if one has some programming experience already. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ricardo Salvador - Iowa State University of Science and Technology - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Asst. Prof. of Agronomy +----------------------------------------+ | BITNET: A1.RJS@ISUMVS | 1126 Agronomy Hall | A3RJS@ISUVAX | | INTERNET: A1.RJS@ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU | Iowa State University of | COMPUSERVE: RSalvador | Science and Technology | GEnie: R.Salvador | Ames, Iowa 50011 +----------------------------------------+ -------------------------------------------------------------------- "The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there is no good evidence either way." - Bertrand Russell - --------------------------------------------------------------------
wadew@ducvax.auburn.edu (WILLIAMS_WADE) (03/30/91)
In article <26412@adm.brl.mil>, A1.RJS@isumvs.iastate.edu ( Ricardo Salvador) writes... >eldred@rrunner.jpl.nasa.gov "Dan Eldred" says: > >>>>>If no turbo pascal on the mac, then what pascal do people use on >>>>the Mac? >> >> Think Pascal is a great compiler. OOP >support and a huge library of objects for GUI stuff are very nice >(whole thing occupies 4.5 Mb on hard disk, but the compiler itself >only takes up about 0.5 Mb.) Also, the associated on-line tutorial >(Just Enough Pascal) is a very good way to learn the system if one >has some programming experience already. >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >Ricardo Salvador - Iowa State University of Science and Technology - >-------------------------------------------------------------------- I wholeheartedly endorse Ricardo's recommendation. Symantec's Think Pascal 3.0 is almost a Mac industry standard. It's super-fast, has a great debugger, object-oriented support, a huge class library for implementing the user interface, etc. I can't recommend it enough. This will probably evoke some flames from the DOS users, but I've seen Turbo Pascal on DOS and I don't think it's as fast on a comprable machine, I don't think it's debugging tools are as good, and overall, I just don't think it's as elegant. Of course if you've got a Mac, all this is irrelevant. Wade Williams WadeW@ducvax.auburn.edu
milne@ics.uci.edu (Alastair Milne) (04/02/91)
In <1991Mar29.062909.27683@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> eldred@rrunner.jpl.nasa.gov (Dan Eldred) writes: >Borland *DID* sell Turbo-Pascal for the mac a while back--about 4 >years ago. I don't they ever sold anything past version 1.1, which >doesn't work under multinder. Nevertheless, Turbo-Pascal was pretty >darn good, and I am mystified why they chose to not maintain it. Crikey, has it been that long?? It's not quite right that it doesn't work under Multifinder -- what it doesn't do properly under Multifinder is execute newly compiled programs internally. However, that never much bothered me. If multifinder is going to cause the problem, use Multifinder to cure it: compile to disc, keep your source file window(s) out of the way, and double-click on the newly created program file. Compiler directives are supplied both to specify the file from which to grab resources, and to set creator and file-type strings. As you say, it has a number of qualities. Among other things, it's the fastest text editor for full-sized files I've yet found for the Mac (barring its irritating habit of redrawing a whole window just because you resized it). Monospaced, with auto-indentation, etc. I agree: why they haven't bothered to keep it up is a mystery. Alastair Milne
Richard K. Wolf <U42641@uicvm.uic.edu> (04/03/91)
In article <1991Mar28.211620.11901@bnlux1.bnl.gov>, kushmer@bnlux1.bnl.gov (christopher kushmerick) says: > >Is there a turbo pascal version for the Mac? Are the run time library >calls the same? Ie would a graphics intensive program compile and run >on the mac with little effort. > Yes, there is a version of Turbo Pascal for the Mac. Oddly enough, it is called "Turbo Pascal for the Mac" and is manufactured by Borland, just like the PC variety. Since the Mac has rich and varied graphics library built into its ROM, there are not a great many grapics libraries included with the basic package. If memory serves, you can get additional libraries from Borland. I'd recommend, however, that you take the time to learn the Mac user interface since IMHO not many users of your software will appreciate your product if it doesn't adhere very well to Apple's programming guidelines. >If no turbo pascal on the mac, then what pascal do people use on the Mac? > Even though there is a Turbo Pascal for the Mac, I nontheless recommend that you acquire another Pascal, such as THINK Pascal by Symmantec. Turbo Pascal has not kept pace with changes to the Mac for a while now. THINK Pascal is not that much more expensive than Turbo Pascal and is well worth the extra "buckage," as my brother would say, for the object oriented environment, if nothing else. >Here is the deal: I have a couple of programs that I would like to >offer for the mac. Currently they only run under msdos. They are written in >turbo pascal, and use turbo pascal run time library calls for graphics. > There is a book, written by Tom Swan, which I think you should have. It is called something like, "Programming the Mac with Turbo Pascal" and it contains a whole chapter devoted to translating PC Turbo Pascal into Mac Turbo Pascal. It also give a decent description of how the Mac is programmed. >Any help is appreciated. > >-Chris >-- >Chris Kushmerick kciremhsuK sirhC >kushmer@bnlux1.bnl.gov <===Try this one first >kushmerick@pofvax.sunysb.edu Good luck! ----- Richard K. Wolf U II C U n i v e r s i t y U42641@UICVM.BITNET U UU II CCC U42641@uicvm.uic.edu UU UU II CC C o f UU UU II CC UU UU II CC CC I l l i n o i s UUUU II CCCCC U I CC a t C h i c a g o
delliott@cec2.wustl.edu (Dave Elliott) (04/04/91)
Turbo Pascal for the Mac is now zombieware. It is not being sold, locally,
and in a phone call to Borland's support line it was suggested that I see
my university store or Egghead software to get one of the other Mac Pascals.
I bought Think Pascal, and pitched Turbo. Turbo Pascal usually bombs on
my 4 Mb Mac + under Multi-finder, or if various DA's (Macromaker, Flash-it,...)
are installed, and has some other problems, not serious, but which will
never be repaired.
David L. Elliott
Dept. of Systems Science and Mathematics
Washington University, St. Louis, MO 63130
delliott@CEC2.WUSTL.EDU